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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 25

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It depends... if the issue is subjective then people are entitled to an opinion and there's nothing wrong with them being unwilling to change. Some people like Trump, others despise him. It's just an opinion.. leave it alone.

However, in a case such as this, if you are dealing with a truly open minded and honest individual, you can try by breaking it down into small pieces that can be researched and debated to a definitive conclusion. Take the Luminol samples issue. You can scientifically prove there is great uncertainty, based on the tests performed, that the samples were made from blood, let alone human blood. But even more importantly, there is no disputing that without a DNA profile you can not prove the sample, what ever it is, came from the victim. The science and the rules of forensic investigations dictate the Luminol samples are unreliable and prove nothing.

The key to this is you must be dealing with someone who is open minded, honest and capable of critical thought. They must be capable of changing their opinion if the facts dictate they should. The remaining PGP that I know of don't appear to fit this description. They reason, as Massei and Nencini did, that the samples must have been made from Meredith's blood because "what else could they be" and because it fits their theory. People that reason that way are not going to change their opinion. Why this happened with two courts in Italy I have no idea. But for the general PGP population I suspect it's just a matter of the vast majority of early material on the case, be it the media, websites, police briefings or books published early on all cemented the idea of guilt and that has proven to be unshakable.

What I am talking about is this idea that all facts and truth is somehow subjective to opinion. Journalists and authors are now referring to this time in history as the post truth world. Trump lies nonstop and yet people believe him. Climate deniers. Birthers, Truthers. Vixen doesn't like the facts of this case so she sticks her fingers in her ears and says Noooo!

Rationality and reason seems to have taken a vacation. How do we get people to start thinking?
 
Just out of curiosity...

What other legal standings are available other than "guilty" and "innocent" ? They were found "not guilty". If they are not innocent, but they are also not guilty, then what are they?

The verdict was 'annulled'. The US equivalent appears to be 'vacated'.

In the USA it is technically a lie to claim you are 'exonerated' (as Sunny Jacobs does and Knox) unless you have a certificate saying so.
 
The verdict was 'annulled'. The US equivalent appears to be 'vacated'.

In the USA it is technically a lie to claim you are 'exonerated' (as Sunny Jacobs does and Knox) unless you have a certificate saying so.

In the United States. One is innocent until proven guilty. An annulment of a guilty verdict reinstates that status.
 
The verdict was 'annulled'. The US equivalent appears to be 'vacated'.

In the USA it is technically a lie to claim you are 'exonerated' (as Sunny Jacobs does and Knox) unless you have a certificate saying so.

You chuck this kind of stuff into a conversation as if it had some merit, the one thing you never provide is the basis for the merit.

Until proof is provided that there is some sort of legislation or bureaucratic standard that attributes "lie" to some claim someone makes about themselves, then it can only be surmised that you just made this whole meme up out of whole cloth - because you so enjoy calling people liars.

Technically it is not a lie to just make stuff up, and there is no legislation or bureaucratic standard in any department or jurisdiction of the 50 States, D.C., and the Federal Government of the US that deems, "making stuff up" as a "technical lie". So you're safe from prosecution, Vixen.
 
The verdict was 'annulled'. The US equivalent appears to be 'vacated'.

In the USA it is technically a lie to claim you are 'exonerated' (as Sunny Jacobs does and Knox) unless you have a certificate saying so.

Amanda Knox was "acquitted" and the US equivalent is "acquitted" hope this helps.
 
Amanda Knox was "acquitted" and the US equivalent is "acquitted" hope this helps.


The circle game. We've only been here how many thousands of times? If someone doesn't get it after this number of interactions they never ever ever will.
 
Curatolo was a remarkably honest and sincere witness IMV.

Well, of course he was to you; he supports your bias.

Tell me, do you not find it in the least rather improbable that this same homeless heroin addict would be a prosecution witness in three murder trials, much less within such a short time period (2004-2007)? That doesn't make your "bull crap" antennae twitch at all?
 
Amanda Knox was "acquitted" and the US equivalent is "acquitted" hope this helps.

Vixen thinks that if an appellate court vacates a judgement of another court, that this is a weaker annulment than if it annulled the finding or acquitted the accused.

Vacating the judgement of another court is used in the U.S., mainly when it becomes impossible to hold an accused to account, like when they die before all appeals are exhausted. In the Knox/Sollecito trials, there was no need to vacate any of the judgments for obvious reasons.

This despite the Marasca-Bruno report telling the world why it exonerated the pair - it exonerated them because it annulled the Nencini conviction.

10. The intrinsic contradictory nature of the evidence, emerging from the text of the appealed verdict, in essence undermines the connective tissue of the same, leading to its annulment.

In fact, in the presence of a scenario marked by many contradictions, the referral judge should not have come to a verdict of guilt, but - as previously observed – should have reached a verdict of not guilty, given Article 530, section 2, Italian Code of Criminal Procedure.​
 
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Correction: this was his third time being a witness for the police in three murder cases between 2004 and 2007. This, along with the fact that he only came forward a year later when urged by a reporter, should have aroused suspicion as to his credibility from the beginning. Well, that and the fact he was admittedly high on heroin that night. Sheesh.

Fact: heroin is a depressant, not a stimulant. It also has the effect of normalising, so like alcohol, for example, also a depressant, the user needs to take ever more quantities to feel any effect.

IOW you can be drunk, but still be a reliable witness as to what you saw. (Assuming you were not in a parylitic coma.)

Fact: I never said it was a stimulant or a depressant. It also has an effect on memory.

Damage to memory functioning may not be the first danger that comes to mind when thinking of heroin. It does, however, act on the part of the brain that does most of the work of creating and keeping memories. Chronic use of heroin has a significant effect on memory abilities.

The hippocampus is a part of the temporal lobe of the brain in which a large portion of memory function occurs. Physical damage to the hippocampus can impair a person’s ability to create and access new memories. It also has a large number of opioid receptors.

Chronic use of heroin can cause detectable physical damage to the hippocampus. It appears to cause cells to die prematurely. Cells regularly die and are replaced by new cells. This is a normal process called apoptosis. Heroin abuse speeds up the process to an abnormal, damaging rate. Heroin also slows down the creation of new cells.

Lowered Memory Test Scores

A 1979 article in the journal Curr Alcohol describes the results of tests on cognitive functioning administered to a group of long-time heroin addicts. While the group’s abilities in some skills, such as abstract reasoning, appeared to be normal, short-term memory appeared to be impaired.
http://www.heroindetoxrehab.com/can-heroin-affect-my-memory/

Curatolo was also under investigation by the police for dealing cocaine at the time and was sent, a few months after testifying, to prison for selling cocaine. He also testified that he used "drugs", not just heroin. Heroin users often combine cocaine and heroin (speedballing) which causes:

•Deficits in brain functioning, especially in executive control functions (such as impairments to problem solving and planning abilities, memory, impulse control, emotional regulation, organization, and self-awareness)
https://www.beachhouserehabcenter.c...edballing-cocaine-heroins-deadly-combination/

Someone who is drunk does not make a reliable witness. To state otherwise is ridiculous. Despite what you may want to believe, it has been well documented that eye-witnesses, even sober ones, are notoriously unreliable. To think that Curatolo, with his "people in costumes" and "disco busses" is a reliable witness is sheer wishful thinking.
 
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The verdict was 'annulled'. The US equivalent appears to be 'vacated'.

Yes, it was "annulled" because, as M/B wrote they "did not commit the act". If someone doesn't commit the act, they are acquitted. Stop nitpicking in an effort to twist what happened. It ain't a' workin'.

In the USA it is technically a lie to claim you are 'exonerated' (as Sunny Jacobs does and Knox) unless you have a certificate saying so.

Citation, please, for this claim that one needs a certificate.

As Knox has spoken at Bar Associations and Law schools in front of hundreds of lawyers and legal professionals, one would think that they would not call her an "exoneree" if she needed such a certificate. And yet.....they do. Go figure.
 
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For anyone who hasn't seen this, it's quite interesting. It's an interview of Amanda the night after the Netflix documentary was released. Note how the evil just oozes out of Amanda. You can tell she's lying and a "luciferina" by the look in her eyes, the way she crosses her legs, the color of her blouse, and the length of her hair. Not to mention the way she laughs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzftJ1u8G3M
 
For anyone who hasn't seen this, it's quite interesting. It's an interview of Amanda the night after the Netflix documentary was released. Note how the evil just oozes out of Amanda. You can tell she's lying and a "luciferina" by the look in her eyes, the way she crosses her legs, the color of her blouse, and the length of her hair. Not to mention the way she laughs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzftJ1u8G3M

Just watched it. Yea, you can just see the evil seeping out of her pores. How anyone could watch that and not just know she did it is beyond me.
 
Just watched it. Yea, you can just see the evil seeping out of her pores. How anyone could watch that and not just know she did it is beyond me.

Hellmann, Zanetti. Marasca, Bruno, Guardiano, Pistorelli and Positano watched it and headed straight for confession..... before turning themselves in to the authorities and waiving their right to trial.

They went straight to their cells quite contrite. If they'd only seen how evil the woman was before......
 
Hellmann, Zanetti. Marasca, Bruno, Guardiano, Pistorelli and Positano watched it and headed straight for confession..... before turning themselves in to the authorities and waiving their right to trial.

They went straight to their cells quite contrite. If they'd only seen how evil the woman was before......

All I can say is, YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING??!!!! HER????


Thanks Stacyhs for the link.
 
Hellmann, Zanetti. Marasca, Bruno, Guardiano, Pistorelli and Positano watched it and headed straight for confession..... before turning themselves in to the authorities and waiving their right to trial.

They went straight to their cells quite contrite. If they'd only seen how evil the woman was before......

Did you notice how guarded she was? You could see her weighing each and every word before she spoke. So controlled and uptight. And those shifty eyes! Mama mia!

Did everyone notice how fondly she spoke of Don Saulo? So much for Vixen's claim that "Her disrespect for Fr Sauli (sic) is appalling." Sheesh.
 
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Did you notice how guarded she was? You could see her weighing each and every word before she spoke. So controlled and uptight. And those shifty eyes! Mama mia!

Did everyone notice how fondly she spoke of Don Saulo? So much for Vixen's claim that "Her disrespect for Fr Sauli (sic) is appalling." Sheesh.

I'd challenge Vixen to view it but somethings are lost causes.

It really was impressive. Do you know if Amanda was accepted to Grad School? She mentions applying.
 
I'd challenge Vixen to view it but somethings are lost causes.

It really was impressive. Do you know if Amanda was accepted to Grad School? She mentions applying.

No, I don't. But I can't see any reason why she wouldn't be. But, I bet going to grad school is just another bid for attention.:rolleyes:
 
No, I don't. But I can't see any reason why she wouldn't be. But, I bet going to grad school is just another bid for attention.:rolleyes:

Well you have to be accepted and not everyone is.

I've said it before. Amanda is the lowest key attention whore in history.
 
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Well you have to be accepted and not everyone is.

I've said it before. Amanda is the lowest key attention whore in history.

It's no wonder. She failed the entrance exam to The Attention Whore Institute.

I hope she keeps her day job. Just saying.....
 
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