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The Trump Presidency

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Well, that's what I'd like to know? How is it going to hurt the US?
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Which aspect do you want? Ignoring the climate effects that you don't accept the conclusions of the overwhelming consensus of relevant scientists about, it hurts the US's international relationships, for starters. On the economic home front, it's part of a strategy to try to prop up an inevitably declining industry for a little longer, rather than supporting the very quickly growing and much more sustainable green industries that have primarily and much more broadly benefited rural areas that need the stimulus and jobs the most.
 
logger said:
Well, that's what I'd like to know? How is it going to hurt the US?
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Say, what??!! You're not willing to show us what it was/is in the Paris agreement that was hurting the US because "that would be a derail and I'm a good boy, I am" but you don't think it's a derail to try to dodge, duck and weave and try to get the loyal opposition to delineate their side?

Conveniently conscientious, I'd say.

(You could save everyone a lot of trouble and just admit that you don't know anything about the Paris agreements other than the sloganeering of the right wing blogosphere.)

And this thread is "The Trump Presidency". It's pretty hard to derail it.
 
CapelDodger said:
Got any more details than that? For instance, the regulations which were holding this back and have been eased?

According to the story the coal produced is for steel-making (not that I'd put much faith in that). Is there increased demand for steel? Or is this mine actually replacing capacity retired for economic exhaustion?
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Steel prices are on the rise. Some of that is due to new technology for light-weight steel that can be used instead of aluminum for auto manufacturers looking for low gas mileage. The economic recovery since 2008 has increased demand for products made from steel, driving up prices.

Most of it has to do with China. China was overproducing steel. The Chinese economy hit the skids. They started selling off the surplus to raise capital to continue production. They were losing money on steel. But that gave them a short-term solution to keep production going. It was also a long-term solution to undercut the market with very low prices to close down foreign production and get their foot in more markets before they had to raise the prices again. To combat that, the US (under Obama) and Europe imposed heavy tariffs on Chinese steel. Once that cheap Chinese steel was out of the market, prices rose.

In response to Trump’s statement about huge spending on infrastructure, China raised its steel prices by 60 percent. The global market price also rose. It is not certain what the US spending on infrastructure will actually be, but as long as there is the potential for a large increase in demand, prices will remain high.

Costa has had this mine ready to go for several years. They were waiting for steel market prices to rise. This is metallurgical coal used for steel production, not for heat or energy.

This doesn’t have anything to do with the Paris Accord or “clean coal” or mining on federal lands or the Clean Power Plan or carbon emissions.
 
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It's being reported by the BBC that a prosecutor was fired for refusing to take a call from Donald Trump:

A former leading federal prosecutor in New York has revealed he was sacked by Donald Trump after receiving several unusual phone calls from him.

Preet Bharara told ABC News' This Week he felt the calls from Mr Trump had crossed the usual boundary separating the executive branch and independent criminal investigators.

Mr Bharara said he had been fired after refusing to take a third call.
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Personally, I'm not 100% sure that it passes the sniff test. He's a friend of Comey's and was appointed by Obama so was probably due to go. Perhaps he's stretching the truth to make the most of his predictable departure. This was illuminating to me:

Obama appointee Mr Bharara, who served as the top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, said it appeared Mr Trump had been trying to "cultivate some kind of relationship" after they met in late 2016.

But he said he felt this was "inappropriate" after Mr Trump took office.
"The number of times that President Obama called me in seven and a half years was zero," he said.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40243184
 
Sideroxylon said:
Very similar to the way he tried to cosey up to Comey.
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Yeah, but that was all just a misunderstanding. The President apparently isn't aware of the way in which Washington (or indeed the real world) works so when he said "I hope you can....." he really did just mean it as an aspiration, it was in no way an actual request for action. :rolleyes:
 
CapelDodger said:
Indeed. Continuity of supply is crucial to their customers, and will surely be planned for well ahead.

I'm far from convinced that regulations have more than a marginal influence, and just as unconvinced that anything actually has changed yet.
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Which is why we still have rivers catching fire.

Oh. Wait.

I grew up in what was at the time the highest volume coal producing county east of the Mississippi. And it was only first among its neighbors.

The water quality was so poor that the Monongahela River, a major artery, was barely capable of sustaining any fish at all. Acid waste from the mines all but sterilized the water.

Now they catch record muskie in it.

And the county is still producing plenty of coal.

I watched while clean air and water regulations in that state changed what had been a ecological nightmare into a healing ecosystem with a chance of becoming vibrant once again.

It's far from perfect and far from finished, but it is also far better than it was.

Anyone who has lived through it will tell you that regulations there have made an immense difference. The influence has been significant, and the changes are stark.

And they are still mining coal there.

You may not be convinced, but you are definitely wrong.
 
quadraginta said:
Which is why we still have rivers catching fire.

Oh. Wait.

I grew up in what was at the time the highest volume coal producing county east of the Mississippi. And it was only first among its neighbors.

The water quality was so poor that the Monongahela River, a major artery, was barely capable of sustaining any fish at all. Acid waste from the mines all but sterilized the water.

Now they catch record muskie in it.

And the county is still producing plenty of coal.

I watched while clean air and water regulations in that state changed what had been a ecological nightmare into a healing ecosystem with a chance of becoming vibrant once again.

It's far from perfect and far from finished, but it is also far better than it was.

Anyone who has lived through it will tell you that regulations there have made an immense difference. The influence has been significant, and the changes are stark.

And they are still mining coal there.

You may not be convinced, but you are definitely wrong.
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I think CapelDodger was querying the effect of regulations on the economic viability of coal - not the beneficial effects of regulation on the environment.

The message from the coal industry is that if it wasn't for those pesky regulations then they could mine coal profitably. Other analysts suggest that even if the industry was completely unregulated, it still wouldn't be able to compete.
 
logger said:
Surprisingly you aren't getting it, Trump gets the credit no matter what evidence you need, your side will lose your critical working class vote again. And yes I know you aren't a citizen of this great country.
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Just so that I understand you correctly, is the USA great now?
Was it always great or has Trump just recently made it great?
 
The Don said:
It's being reported by the BBC that a prosecutor was fired for refusing to take a call from Donald Trump:



Personally, I'm not 100% sure that it passes the sniff test. He's a friend of Comey's and was appointed by Obama so was probably due to go. Perhaps he's stretching the truth to make the most of his predictable departure. This was illuminating to me:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40243184
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I saw the interview. I don't think he claimed the firing was due to his refusal. He said he refused and was fired 22 hours later.
 
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Aridas said:
Which aspect do you want? Ignoring the climate effects that you don't accept the conclusions of the overwhelming consensus of relevant scientists about, it hurts the US's international relationships, for starters. On the economic home front, it's part of a strategy to try to prop up an inevitably declining industry for a little longer, rather than supporting the very quickly growing and much more sustainable green industries that have primarily and much more broadly benefited rural areas that need the stimulus and jobs the most.
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So it hurts our relationships, too bad they all use our money.

A declining industry? That's hilarious. You do know what an all in energy policy is don't you? You give way to new technologies slowly?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Say, what??!! You're not willing to show us what it was/is in the Paris agreement that was hurting the US because "that would be a derail and I'm a good boy, I am" but you don't think it's a derail to try to dodge, duck and weave and try to get the loyal opposition to delineate their side?
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You heard me!!!
And yes I've already said why the accord hurts us, it puts undue burdens on us for the sake of a hoax.
(You could save everyone a lot of trouble and just admit that you don't know anything about the Paris agreements other than the sloganeering of the right wing blogosphere.)
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Interesting, too bad with just a few clicks I can read all about it. :rolleyes:


And this thread is "The Trump Presidency". It's pretty hard to derail it.
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Trump is tweeting that the economy is doing much better now that his regulation-killing EO's are taking effect.

I'm thinking that he's full of crap. Now that he's in office, the economic scores are real, but when Obama was President they were fake.... hmmm. Plus, I think it takes more than a few weeks for economic policies to have an effect.
 
The other day when Trump was asked if he'd testify under oath, his answer was a bit strange.

Trump said:
Who would ask a man to pledge allegiance under oath?
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Was Trump confused? Could there actually a taping system, and is he setting himself up as not having lied? Or did Comey actually claim that he was asked to take an oath?
 
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