Merged Trump Fires Comey....

[ChristianProgressive]

Didn't seem to actually stop them in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The breech of a law does not change the law. And people have called for Bush to be prosecuted for it.

And where is it illegal to have a preemptive nuclear strike on north korea or Iran?

Irrelevant where the target is.

 

[acbytesla]

Spicer’s version of events is utterly obliterated by Trump’s comments on Thursday. With Sanders and Conway, you could make an argument that Trump was indeed, technically speaking, taking Rosenstein’s recommendation and then acting.

But if the decision had already been made, that’s a highly misleading talking point to keep repeating. After all, the decision clearly had nothing to do with Rosenstein.

It’s clear that the White House wanted to use Rosenstein’s credibility, built up over three decades in law enforcement, to make this decision look apolitical. This made it seem like it wasn’t just the president unilaterally firing the guy who was investigating his 2016 campaign's ties to Russia. This was actually a talking point and narrative that was intended to protect Trump.

But then Trump himself told us the truth

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ated-the-white-houses-entire-comey-narrative/

Firing the head of a public agency under false pretenses is something that's extremely objectionable and if anything should be grounds for removal of office. Comey served at the pleasure of the President and could be dismissed for any-reason whatsoever but having the President make up a paper-thin lie to serve as a pretense is outrageous. It simply shows the extreme level of deceit and dishonesty which permeates the Trump administration.

I swear that this man is a blithering idiot. He went to all that trouble for cover and then he blows the whistle on himself?
This guy has the most severe cases of diarrhea of the mouth probably ever.

 

[Sideroxylon]

White House admits Comey was fired to bring Russia investigation to an end.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/11/...tion-russia-sarah-huckabee-sanders/index.html

Idiots.

Ingorance and arrogance were always going to be the downfall of the Trump gang of thieves. The current goings on look like the end of the rails.

 

[JPK]

I understand this will not happen, but isn't it obvious that its in Trumps best interest not to be making ridiculous statements about Comey becuse it invites Comey to answer those charges, under oath while giving testimony to the Senate? I would think that since Trump has made certain accusations, i.e. Comey asked me out to dinner to plead for his job...... Comey told me three times that I was not under investigation...., that Comey can state "Trump is lying."

 

[ChristianProgressive]

I'm specifically talking about treaties that conflict with the constitution, and therefore would be be applicable in the US. (quoted something about it all the way back on post 867).

Nothing about the Geneva Conventions contravenes the US Constitution or US law.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Where in the Constitution does it say that the President can wage war without the authorization of Congress?

It isn't in the constitution but the point is for nuclear deterrence to work the launch time is far to short to address congress. And there is no legal separation from retaliatory nuclear strikes and preemptive nuclear strikes at this time.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Nothing about the Geneva Conventions contravenes the US Constitution or US law.

Maybe. That is the second part of my argument. Step 1 is trying to agree to the premise that IF ratified parts of the geneva convention violate the constitution THEN it is not a part of US law.

 

[ponderingturtle]

That's a stretch. The power is not unlimited. But it doesn't matter what you or I believe only those tasked with carrying out the order. A preemptive nuclear strike on an ally? Would YOU carry out that order?

I wasn't positing a nuclear strike on an ally, I was figuring Iran or North Korea as likely targets. That makes things even less clear.

 

[acbytesla]

I wasn't positing a nuclear strike on an ally, I was figuring Iran or North Korea as likely targets. That makes things even less clear.

Agreed.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Sheesh people, it's hard to keep up with this thread even when it stays on topic.

Right now there's not much more known. I'm sure people will be checking in as the situation develops.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump is just so happy that everyone is talking about him and not Comey - have you seen his ratings when he admitted to obstruction of Justice? They were off the charts!
He is providing real entertainment, not like that showboating FBI director...

 

[acbytesla]

It isn't in the constitution but the point is for nuclear deterrence to work the launch time is far to short to address congress. And there is no legal separation from retaliatory nuclear strikes and preemptive nuclear strikes at this time.

But the argument made is that the Geneva Convention is not law where it comes into conflict with the US Constitution. Therefore the argument is moot.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

White House admits Comey was fired to bring Russia investigation to an end.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/11/...tion-russia-sarah-huckabee-sanders/index.html

Idiots.

That does put a more sinister spin on things. Is McCabe a "Trump man"? Will they call it "done and dusted" after this?

 

[acbytesla]

Trump is just so happy that everyone is talking about him and not Comey - have you seen his ratings when he admitted to obstruction of Justice? They were off the charts!
He is providing real entertainment, not like that showboating FBI director...

I bet they'll go through the roof when they lead him away in handcuffs.

 

[Sideroxylon]

But the argument made is that the Geneva Convention is not law where it comes into conflict with the US Constitution. Therefore the argument is moot.

Moot and completely off topic. Congrats.

 

[acbytesla]

Moot and completely off topic. Congrats.

Sorry. Once you fall down the rabbit hole it's real hard to escape.

 

[dasmiller]

I bet they'll go through the roof when they lead him away in handcuffs.

I shall keep a bottle of champagne on hand for just such a possibility

 

[Garrison]

Much as I hate interrupt the irrelevant side track with something actually pertinent but this article from the BBC contains some classic Trump:

Trumps insists he's not under investigation

The president also appeared to undercut the initial White House explanation that he fired Mr Comey on the recommendation of top justice officials.

"He's a showboat. He's a grandstander. The FBI has been in turmoil. I was going to fire Comey. My decision," Mr Trump said.
"I was going to fire regardless of recommendation."

So yes the whole it was because of the Comey he handled the Clinton investigation line was indeed yet another lie.

The White House has depicted the Russia inquiry as "probably one of the smallest things" that the FBI has "got going on their plate".

But acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe said on Thursday that it was "a highly significant investigation".

In testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee, he also cast doubt on White House claims that Mr Comey had lost the confidence of his staff.
"I can confidently tell you that the vast majority of employees enjoyed a deep and positive connection to Director Comey," Mr McCabe said.

So the Donald lied comprehensively about the firing of Comey, maybe we could discuss that and the 'enthralling' discussion of the presidents powers could **** off to its own thread?

 

[varwoche]

They are idiots, but , no they didn't.

"We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity," said deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders, referring to the FBI's probe into Moscow's interference in last year's election. "And we think that we've actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen."

Close enough. Unbelievable.

Paging Brainster (and others). It seems like only yesterday when you accused people of delusion on par with 911 truth and birtherism for thinking that Comey's dismissal was motivated by the Trump + Russia investigation.

 

[The Big Dog]

I shall keep a bottle of champagne on hand for just such a possibility

You might as well drink it now because there is no basis to arrest comey.