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The sad case of Niels Harrit

“So you are not interested in Millette’s finding”
“Since we were discussing the MacKinlay dust sample [chip a] and specimen, no, I am (for the moment) not interested in the other samples and specimens that Millette looked at.

You, Criteria, are not interested in the findings of your heros, or else you would have explicitly acknowledged these three facts:

• Harrit found traces of strontium and chromium.
• Farrer found traces of strontium and chromium.
• Finding strontium and chromium is consistent with, and is predicted from, the LaClede theory

-> Please acknowledge explicitly these three facts now, Criteria, to start rebuilding from scratch the totally missing credibility of yours!”

Noise is not usable data.

This is the normal EDX spectrum found from chip ‘a’.

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To show that strontium did not show in the EDX spectrum, Dr. Harrit cranked up the gain from the normal range setting of 10 keV to 20 keV.

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The strontium (Sr) spectral locations clearly show the increased noise but no definitive peak for even a trace of strontium.

In spite of this, you, and particularly Sunstealer, have disingenuously misused Dr. Harrit’s graph to suggest noise equals strontium.


“that the 9/11 WTC dust that he investigated was “unequivocally” not LaClede paint”
“So what if it wasn't?

No problem at all - there were many different kinds of red paint chips in the dust.

Harrit et al presented at least SIX (6) different kinds of red-gray chips that they pulled from their four dust samples. One clearly was LaClede primer, the other five were not.

One of the other five was Tnemec Red. The other four were not. There were many kinds of red paint in the dust, as there were many kinds of red-gray chips.

Harrit and Jones were too stupid, or too dishonest, to tell you this.

Do you require kindergarten-level explanations?

The dust contained all the materials that once were part of the World Trade Centre!

What’s revealing is the finding that dust samples taken from 4 different locations contained material (nano-thermite) that should not have existed anywhere in the WTC.

“Are you one of Trump’s speech writers?”

“My English (a foreign language to me) is a lot better than Trump’s.”

Yes. I understand.

You are merely endorsing your beliefs in a trump-like fashion.

In spite of your serious lack of relevant academic and work experience credentials, you still believe that you are better qualified to judge the competency of the work performed by Dr. Harrit, Dr. Jones, Dr. Farrer et al.

I would claim that you are the incompetent one.

You totally lack the required academic qualifications and you have failed to perform any legitimate scientific research that invalidates the findings of those scientists.

In spite of this incredibly weak position, you have the mendacity to declare them “complete idiots” and their work “utterly, helplessly incompetent”.
 
Noise is not usable data.

This is the normal EDX spectrum found from chip ‘a’.

[qimg]http://i65.tinypic.com/ndk0nq.png[/qimg]

To show that strontium did not show in the EDX spectrum, Dr. Harrit cranked up the gain from the normal range setting of 10 keV to 20 keV.

[qimg]http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=181&pictureid=5169[/qimg]

The strontium (Sr) spectral locations clearly show the increased noise but no definitive peak for even a trace of strontium.

In spite of this, you, and particularly Sunstealer, have disingenuously misused Dr. Harrit’s graph to suggest noise equals strontium.





Do you require kindergarten-level explanations?

The dust contained all the materials that once were part of the World Trade Centre!

What’s revealing is the finding that dust samples taken from 4 different locations contained material (nano-thermite) that should not have existed anywhere in the WTC.





Yes. I understand.

You are merely endorsing your beliefs in a trump-like fashion.

In spite of your serious lack of relevant academic and work experience credentials, you still believe that you are better qualified to judge the competency of the work performed by Dr. Harrit, Dr. Jones, Dr. Farrer et al.

I would claim that you are the incompetent one.

You totally lack the required academic qualifications and you have failed to perform any legitimate scientific research that invalidates the findings of those scientists.

In spite of this incredibly weak position, you have the mendacity to declare them “complete idiots” and their work “utterly, helplessly incompetent”.

Then the Aluminum metal flake coatings were not Laclade based in that sample.

Aluminum metal flake coatings are quite popular on metal furnature, and office furnature guess what I may have found a picture of some actually inside WTC2.

But I really think it is aged Laclade paint Harrit found since he also lied about the six percent average of microspheres in the dust!

Everyone connected with said paper expressed that obvious lie Criteria, that makes them all not credible esspecially the peer reviewers.
 
Harrit lies, 9/11 truth followers believe blindly

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In spite of this incredibly weak position, you have the mendacity to declare them “complete idiots” and their work “utterly, helplessly incompetent”.
Jones and Harrit are complete idiots when they claim they found thermite. They offer a fake conclusion in a vanity paper, with no proof of thermite. Jones and Harrit made up the insane claim of thermite, fooling those with no practical knowledge of science.

How many years does it take you to figure out you were duped by old men. Why can't you post this tripe in science?

Did you tell the FBI there was thermite? Did they laugh? What a waste, no can produce evidence thermite was used.

And you have no clue what the topic of the thread is... off topic and full of BS...

I came across a Danish interview of Niels Harrit today, from the program 'Good Morning Denmark' April 07, 2009.

I could not believe the total rubbish that he was putting out there. Starting with a complete denial that the plane impacts and fires had anything to do with the WTC tower collapses !?! he behaved like a person untouched by reality.

The most astonishing and disturbing statements he made were these: (according to the translation)

'There has never been a forensic investigation of this event. (9/11)

No evidence has been put forward. No one has been formally charged.

The police and FBI have not charged anyone, and no-one is 'wanted'.

So who is crazy here?' He asks in response to the interviewer's question.



He seems unaware of Khalid Shiek Mohammed, who I think was at the top of the FBI's most wanted list.

And oblivious to the trial of Zacharias Mousawi, the '20th hijacker'.

He seems oblivious to a great deal of truth and reality. Must be nice being a leader in the 9/11 truth movement - you can just say whatever you like without any real evidence, and the truther cult laps it up like warm milk.


There's not much truth in 9/11 truth it seems.

I've annotated the video with my usual snide comments. Enjoy:


Harrit claims are insane, he lost touch with reality.
Harrit has no clue the guys who did 9/11 are dead, they died at impact, they killed themselves... how can someone so clueless survive
 
Noise is not usable data.

This is the normal EDX spectrum found from chip ‘a’.

[qimg]http://i65.tinypic.com/ndk0nq.png[/qimg]


There is nothing in the data that suggest the use of thermite. Just thought that you would have like to know that.


What’s revealing is the finding that dust samples taken from 4 different locations contained material (nano-thermite) that should not have existed anywhere in the WTC.


What makes you think that nano-thermite would have been effective when high speed jets weighing thousands of pounds failed to drop the Twin Towers upon impact? Once again, demolition companies do not use thermite nor nano-thermite to demolish steel-framed buildings because of its ineffectiveness against such buildings and that's another hint that you were duped by the thermite snake oil salesmen.
 
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Criteria, Criteria, you always get almost everything wrong. Here again!

Noise is not usable data.
This is as correct as it is trivial and insignificant.

This is the normal EDX spectrum found from chip ‘a’.

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No, this is FALSE, and the opposite is true: That is the EDX spectrum fraudulently EDITED by Jones and Harrit in order to mask the fact that it contains chromium and strontium and is slightly contaminated with gypsum.

To show that strontium did not show in the EDX spectrum, Dr. Harrit cranked up the gain from the normal range setting of 10 keV to 20 keV.

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No, this is FALSE, on several different levels:
1. Harrit himself didn't do a damned thing on any chip with any EDX. That was Farrer's work
2. Both spectra were won at 20 keV - they are, in fact, representations of the exaxt SAME measurement. Same, identical data. Same, identical graphs. Just the scales are different.
3. Harrit did not crank up the scales with a mind to showing strontium is absent. What an utterly foolish nonsense to say! At the time, he had not the slightest idea that strontium could be relevant either way! However, by cranking up the scales, he DID in fact show that there was a significant trace of strontium (and chromium) - the software spit it out (it does statistical analysis automatically and labels significant peaks, even if the naked eye does not recognize them as such)

The strontium (Sr) spectral locations clearly show the increased noise but no definitive peak for even a trace of strontium.
This is FALSE, and the exact opposite is true: because the software identified and labeled strontium (and chromium, sulfur, calcium), we know that these are signals, NOT noise. It was probably a conscious, and potentially a fraudulent, decision by Jones and Harrit not to put those labels in the graphs in the "Active thermitic material" paper.

In spite of this, you, and particularly Sunstealer, have disingenuously misused Dr. Harrit’s graph to suggest noise equals strontium.
This is FALSE, and the exact opposite is true. YOU, Criteria, are the one disingenuously misusing and misrepresenting Dr. Harrit’s graph.
You claimed that the two graphs show EDX at different keV. Well, harrit's OWN caption to the very graphs says otherwise:
"Figure 5. SEM XEDS (beam energy 20 keV) spectra from fresh surfaces of red phase of red/gray chips.
Left: Figure 7 in Harrit et al.1, showing the four different samples investigated.
Right: The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded."​
See? Both at 20 keV because they are the SAME spectrum!
Why did you make up that lie?

Furthermore, you claim that strontium is "noise". This is FALSE, and the precise opposite is true. Again, Harrit's OWN caption to this very Figure reads:
"Minute signals in level with the noise are observed from sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium."​
"Signals", my dear Criteria, is the opposite of noise. Harrit speaks of a strontium signal. It doesn't matter that the signal peak appears "level" with the noise. Signal is signal - the mere fact that the software found it means that it is a signal, not noise, and Harrit correctly calls it a "signal".
So why did you invent a lie here, Criteria?

Do you require kindergarten-level explanations?
You project.

The dust contained all the materials that once were part of the World Trade Centre!

What’s revealing is the finding that dust samples taken from 4 different locations contained material (nano-thermite) that should not have existed anywhere in the WTC.
The very data presented by Harrit, Jones, Basile - and of course the data presented by Millette - unequivocally shows that none of the chips is thermitic. Only abject fools, inexperienced dummies, continue to believe these lies after so many years of getting schooled.


Yes. I understand.
This is FALSE, and the exact opposite is true: You understand nothing. Practically everything that you write, except for the most trivial and irrelevant bits, is completely in error.
 
Here is the link to Harrit's May 2009 whitepaper/open letter that contains the graphs discussed above:
"Why The Red/Gray Chips Are Not Primer Paint. Open Letter, May 2009"

I retract the 10 keV to 20 keV. Dr. Harrit’s paper was not immediately available to me and I wrote in haste.

Get back to me once you comprehend the bolded part from this statement by Dr. Harrit:

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Figure 7


Dr. Harrit said:
”Left: Figure 7 in Harrit et al.1, showing the four different samples investigated.

Right: The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded.

Minute signals in level with the noise are observed from sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium."
 
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I retract the 10 keV to 20 keV. Dr. Harrit’s paper was not immediately available to me and I wrote in haste.

Get back to me once you comprehend the bolded part from this statement by Dr. Harrit:

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Figure 7
He does, you do not.

Harrit correctly identifies them as signals (as does the software). Why are you arguing like Harrit is wrong? :confused:
 
I retract the 10 keV to 20 keV. Dr. Harrit’s paper was not immediately available to me and I wrote in haste.

Get back to me once you comprehend the bolded part from this statement by Dr. Harrit:

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Figure 7

I do understand the bolded part perfectly. It means that Harrit shows us the exact same EDX spectrum, and it means that both graphs originally contained a signal for strontium (actually two signals - the K-alpha of Sr at 14.2 keV and the K-beta at 15.8 keV), as well as signals for chromium, calcium and sulfur, until Harrit et all et al consciously and perhaps fraudulently removed them from their hoax paper.
Remember that "signal" is the opposite of "noise".
Remember that you quoted Harrit yourself writing "Minute signals ... are observed from ... strontium."
Signals, Criteria. Speak after me: Harrit reported signal from strontium.
Repeat three times, aloud:
Harrit reported signal from strontium.
Harrit reported signal from strontium.
Harrit reported signal from strontium.


Perhaps, after you have comprehended the bolded parts above, you are ready to finally acknowledge explicitly the following three facts:
  • Harrit found traces of strontium and chromium.
  • Farrer found traces of strontium and chromium.
  • Finding strontium and chromium is consistent with, and is predicted from, the LaClede theory
 
Criteria, Criteria, you always get almost everything wrong. Here again!

”This is the normal EDX spectrum found from chip ‘a’.

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No, this is FALSE, and the opposite is true: That is the EDX spectrum fraudulently EDITED by Jones and Harrit in order to mask the fact that it contains chromium and strontium and is slightly contaminated with gypsum.

Given the time to look through this more carefully, I can see where you are attempting to perpetuate a self-serving lie and that I was correct about the 10 keV and 20 keV usages.

The normal EDX spectrum shown above is from Fig.(7) of the 2009 Dr. Harrit et al paper: Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust.

”XEDS maps of the cross-section surface of the red layer were acquired at a beam energy of 10 keV


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Dr. Harrit publicly issued: Why The Red/Gray Chips Are Not Primer Paint. Open Letter, May 2009.

In that open letter, Dr. Harrit used Fig. (7) XEDS spectra data (shown above) from the 2009 Dr. Harrit et al paper:Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust.

In Figure 5 of Why The Red/Gray Chips Are Not Primer Paint., Dr. Harrit shows the 10 keV SEM XEDS spectra for chip samples (a)-(d) (from Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust Fig.(7)) and 20 keV SEM XEDS spectra for chip sample (a).

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Figure 5

Keeping in mind that Dr. Harrit’s letter is an argument as to why the red chip material they investigated is not primer paint, in Figure 5, he compares chip (a)’s normal 10 keV XEDS spectra (left side is Fig.(7) from Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust) to the XEDS spectra obtained from chip (a) at 20 keV (right side).

Dr. Harrit writes that; “Before measurement, the chips were broken (with one exception to be discussed below) in order to secure a fresh uncontaminated surface from which the SEM XEDS was obtained.
NONE of these SEM XEDS spectra, taken from four independently collected samples, showed signals from either zinc, chromium or magnesium in intensities significantly above the baseline noise.”

In captioning Figure 5, Dr. Harrit states that the right side (20 keV XEDS) spectra for chip (a); “The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded. Minute signals in level with the noise are observed from sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium. “

His point is well taken. When doubled from 10 keV to 20 keV, the noise is amplified and it becomes clear that the minute signals for “sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium” are not discernible from the signals that are only noise.

”In spite of this, you, and particularly Sunstealer, have disingenuously misused Dr. Harrit’s graph to suggest noise equals strontium.”
This is FALSE, and the exact opposite is true. YOU, Criteria, are the one disingenuously misusing and misrepresenting Dr. Harrit’s graph.

You claimed that the two graphs show EDX at different keV. Well, harrit's OWN caption to the very graphs says otherwise:

"Figure 5. SEM XEDS (beam energy 20 keV) spectra from fresh surfaces of red phase of red/gray chips.
Left: Figure 7 in Harrit et al.1, showing the four different samples investigated.

Right: The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded."​

See? Both at 20 keV because they are the SAME spectrum!

Why did you make up that lie?

What lie?

Figure 5 is not Fig. (7).

Figure 5 includes Fig. (7).

It compares chip (a) SEM XEDS (fig. (7) from “Harrit et al” [Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust] on the left top and taken beam energy 10 keV) to SEM XEDS of chip (a) taken beam energy 20 keV.
 
Once again, thermite is not effective which is why demolition companies do not use thermite for the demolition of tall steel-framed buildings.

Therm*te was invented because there were no explosions consistent with demolition heard on 9/11/2001.

Therm*te, if it were used in sufficient quantities to demolish two giant skyscrapers, would have created a glowing nebula of flame that would have given half of lower Manhattan welders burn and probably blinded a whole bunch of them.

Niels Harrit, a deluded fool, believes that both therm*te and "hundreds of tons" of conventional explosives were used on 9/11/2001, despite neither of these things actually being observed.

There is the truth movement in a nutshell. Believing in 2 impossible things before breakfast.
 
I continue being right: You are always wrong about almost everything.
Here again:

Given the time to look through this more carefully, I can see where you are attempting to perpetuate a self-serving lie and that I was correct about the 10 keV and 20 keV usages.

The normal EDX spectrum shown above is from Fig.(7) of the 2009 Dr. Harrit et al paper: Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust.

”XEDS maps of the cross-section surface of the red layer were acquired at a beam energy of 10 keV

[snipped the rest of this deeply embarrassing FAILure]
You took time out of your busy day to get something wrong that you had already corrected. Because you totally FAIL at reading comprehension. So sad!

The quoted sentence "XEDS maps of the cross-section surface of the red layer were acquired at a beam energy of 10 kV." on page 12 applies to (I highlighted the bit you failed to comprehend) the XEDS maps that are shown in Figure 10 - indeed the quoted text continues right away thusly: "The acquisition area of the maps is shown by the BSE image in Fig. (10a). The XEDS maps, several of which are shown in Fig. (10b-f)". Do you see that? 10 keV applies to Figure 10. Not Figure 7. Because, you see, on page 9, Harrit et al explain quite clearly:
"Operating conditions for the acquired XEDS spectra were 20 keV beam energy (unless otherwise specified) and 40-120 second acquisition time (livetime). XEDS maps were acquired using the same system at a beam energy of 10 keV."
So you see, XEDS maps (Figures 10 and 15) were done at 10 keV, but XEDS spectra at 20 keV - unless otherwise specified.
Figure 7 is NOT an XEDS map. It is merely 4 XEDS spectra. Thus the 20 keV applies - because nothing is otherwisely stated.

So please acknowledge explicitly at this time:
  • Figure 7a in "Active Thermitic Material..." and Figure 5b in "Why the Red/Gray Paint Chips..." show the exact same XEDS spectrum, won at 20 keV, and I, Criteria, was foolishly wrong to return to the stupid claim one was done at 10 keV.
  • Harrit found traces of strontium and chromium.
  • Farrer found traces of strontium and chromium.
  • Finding strontium and chromium is consistent with, and is predicted from, the LaClede theory.


Dr. Harrit writes that; “Before measurement, the chips were broken (with one exception to be discussed below) in order to secure a fresh uncontaminated surface from which the SEM XEDS was obtained.
NONE of these SEM XEDS spectra, taken from four independently collected samples, showed signals from either zinc, chromium or magnesium in intensities significantly above the baseline noise.”
MUUURRRRP!
They all show minute signals of chromium - Harrit et all consciously, and perhaps fraudulently, elected to remove the label "Cr" from its rightful position at 5.4 keV (K-alpha of Cr).

In captioning Figure 5, Dr. Harrit states that the right side (20 keV XEDS) spectra for chip (a); “The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded. Minute signals in level with the noise are observed from sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium. “
Your formatting for emphasise is strangely chosen. Here ist the correct emphasise:
“The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded. Minute signals in level with the noise are observed from sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium. “
He clearly states that there are signals for strontium (two in fact), signals (2) for chromium, signals (2) for calcium, and a signal for sulfur.
"Signal" is still the opposite of noise.

"In level with noise" is not equivalent to "it is noise", nor is it equivalent to "it isn't signal". The only thing it means is "I, Niels Harrit, see that there are actually signals, but I am too dumb and unexperienced to make sense of them, so I'll add a little vague talk to fool the gullible, like Criteria, into believing they are not there because we don't want to see them".

You need to acknowledge at this time, explicitly, that Harrit is correct:
  • There are signals of strontium in Figure 7a / 5b
The signal is "minute" alright, indicating that there is only a "trace" of strontium - precisely as would be expected from LaClede paint chips, which were spedified to contain about 1% of strontium chromate by weight.*
His point is well taken. When doubled from 10 keV to 20 keV, the noise is amplified and it becomes clear that the minute signals for “sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium” are not discernible from the signals that are only noise.
They are not easily discernibly by eyesight, and certainly not to such unexperienced observes such as yourself, or Dr. Harrit or Dr. Jones, who are amateurs, absolute beginners, in this.

But they are discernible by the software that comes with the XEDS equipement and that runs statistical analysis on the complete raw data. It automatically put the labels "Sr" (twice), "Cr" (twice), "Ca" (twice), and "S" (once) there because it detected statistically significant signals for these four elements.
Harrit truthfully reports these signals in his whitepaper, and correctly calls them "signals", which you need to acknowledge explicitly at this time.

What lie?

Figure 5 is not Fig. (7).

Figure 5 includes Fig. (7).

It compares chip (a) SEM XEDS (fig. (7) from “Harrit et al” [Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust] on the left top and taken beam energy 10 keV) to SEM XEDS of chip (a) taken beam energy 20 keV.

The lie that you repeat again, now citing your inept, FAILED reading of Harrit et al., that the spectra in 5a/7a and 5b were taken at different (10 and 20 keV) beam energies.

I already quoted Harrit's own caption of Figure 5 of "Why..." to you. Here the relevant bit:
"Right: The same spectrum as in frame (a)"​
I put a little emphasise to the important word - that both 5a and 5b show the SAME spectrum. The one done at 20 keV beam energy. Which you need to acknowledge at this time.





* Footnote: Actually, the K-alpha and K-Beta signals for Strontium at 14.2/15.8 keV respectively are so minute because all signal levels beyond 10 keV fall to minute levels when beam energy is 20 keV. There would be quite a major signal at about 1.8 keV, the Sr L-alpha, if it weren't for the large signals for Si at 1.74 and 1.83 keV (K-alpha and K-beta os silicon, respectively), which bury the strontium L-alpha and L-beta. If you take a close look at Figure 7, you can see in (a), (b) and (d) quite clearly, and in (c) less clearly, that the right "shoulder" or slope of the Si-peak is wider, less steep than its left shoulder. This would be expected from the presence of some Strontium, which peaks very lightly to the right of Silicon, and thus adds to the right side of the Si-peak.
 
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To expand on the footnote in my previous post:

Here is an XEDS simulation of the LaClede paint formulation as specified in the NIST report:



Note that you see a small peak for chromium, but nothing for strontium, even though it is in there in the same molar amount.
But as I said, there is actually a strontium peak - it is hiding under the Si-peak, and that's why we don't spot it.

In the next spectrum, I exchanged the silicon content in the LaClede formulation with an equal amount of germanium (Ge) - an arbitrarily chosen element (it has similar chemical properties as silicon, but that isn't important at all here; the only important thing is that its EDS-signals appear at different locations - the K-levels start just under 10 keV, the L-levels are between 1.2 and 1.4 keV).
So here is LaClede paint with aluminium germanate instead of Al silicate:



And there, ladies and gentlemen, you see the strontium peak near 1.8 keV!


Here is a composite of both spectra:



This shows nicely how Sr is hiding under Si!


Here is an older effort where I compared "original" LaClede (blue) with a variation of LaClede with the strontium chromate removed (red):



This shows us how the Sr-peak under the Si-peak makes the right "shoulder" of the joint peak wider and less steep than the left shoulder. Compare this to the same area of Harrit et al's Figure 7(a), (b), (c), (d), respectively (images stretched to match the scale of my simulation above):
 
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Given the time to look through this more carefully, I can see where you are attempting to perpetuate a self-serving lie and that I was correct about the 10 keV and 20 keV usages.

The normal EDX spectrum shown above is from Fig.(7) of the 2009 Dr. Harrit et al paper: Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust.

”XEDS maps of the cross-section surface of the red layer were acquired at a beam energy of 10 keV


[qimg]http://i68.tinypic.com/30kehde.png[/qimg]

Dr. Harrit publicly issued: Why The Red/Gray Chips Are Not Primer Paint. Open Letter, May 2009.

In that open letter, Dr. Harrit used Fig. (7) XEDS spectra data (shown above) from the 2009 Dr. Harrit et al paper:Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust.

In Figure 5 of Why The Red/Gray Chips Are Not Primer Paint., Dr. Harrit shows the 10 keV SEM XEDS spectra for chip samples (a)-(d) (from Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust Fig.(7)) and 20 keV SEM XEDS spectra for chip sample (a).

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Figure 5

Keeping in mind that Dr. Harrit’s letter is an argument as to why the red chip material they investigated is not primer paint, in Figure 5, he compares chip (a)’s normal 10 keV XEDS spectra (left side is Fig.(7) from Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust) to the XEDS spectra obtained from chip (a) at 20 keV (right side).

Dr. Harrit writes that; “Before measurement, the chips were broken (with one exception to be discussed below) in order to secure a fresh uncontaminated surface from which the SEM XEDS was obtained.
NONE of these SEM XEDS spectra, taken from four independently collected samples, showed signals from either zinc, chromium or magnesium in intensities significantly above the baseline noise.”

In captioning Figure 5, Dr. Harrit states that the right side (20 keV XEDS) spectra for chip (a); “The same spectrum as in frame (a) with intensity (vertical) and horizontal scales expanded. Minute signals in level with the noise are observed from sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium. “

His point is well taken. When doubled from 10 keV to 20 keV, the noise is amplified and it becomes clear that the minute signals for “sulfur, calcium, chromium and strontium” are not discernible from the signals that are only noise.



What lie?

Figure 5 is not Fig. (7).

Figure 5 includes Fig. (7).

It compares chip (a) SEM XEDS (fig. (7) from “Harrit et al” [Active Thermitic Material Found in WTC Dust] on the left top and taken beam energy 10 keV) to SEM XEDS of chip (a) taken beam energy 20 keV.

Doesn't matter Criteria there are not enough iron rich microspheres in the dust to indicate Thermite was used in precutting samples.
 
To expand on the footnote in my previous post:

Here is an XEDS simulation of the LaClede paint formulation as specified in the NIST report:

[qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/LaClede%2020%20keV_zpseepvcu6e.jpg[/qimg]

Note that you see a small peak for chromium, but nothing for strontium, even though it is in there in the same molar amount.
But as I said, there is actually a strontium peak - it is hiding under the Si-peak, and that's why we don't spot it.

In the next spectrum, I exchanged the silicon content in the LaClede formulation with an equal amount of germanium (Ge) - an arbitrarily chosen element (it has similar chemical properties as silicon, but that isn't important at all here; the only important thing is that its EDS-signals appear at different locations - the K-levels start just under 10 keV, the L-levels are between 1.2 and 1.4 keV).
So here is LaClede paint with aluminium germanate instead of Al silicate:

[qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/LaClede%20-SiGe%2020%20keV_zps9awjpbfc.jpg[/qimg]

And there, ladies and gentlemen, you see the strontium peak near 1.8 keV!


Here is a composite of both spectra:

[qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/Compare%20LaClede%20-%20LaClede-SiGe%2020%20keV_zpsifnkqfqg.jpg[/qimg]

This shows nicely how Sr is hiding under Si!


Here is an older effort where I compared "original" LaClede (blue) with a variation of LaClede with the strontium chromate removed (red):

[qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/LC_compare_Original-MinusSr.jpg[/qimg]

This shows us how the Sr-peak under the Si-peak makes the right "shoulder" of the joint peak wider and less steep than the left shoulder. Compare this to the same area of Harrit et al's Figure 7(a), (b), (c), (d), respectively (images stretched to match the scale of my simulation above):
[qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/Fig7a_AlSi_streched.jpg[/qimg] [qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/Fig7b_AlSi_streched.jpg[/qimg] [qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/Fig7c_AlSi_streched.jpg[/qimg] [qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/LaClede/Fig7d_AlSi.jpg[/qimg]


Once again, there is no thermite evidence there. Just to let you know that iron oxide, which is one of the ingredients of thermite, is used in primer paint. In fact, I have posted the list of ingredients from the manufacturer from time to time.

To sum it up, you have no case for thermite.
 
Once again, there is no thermite evidence there. Just to let you know that iron oxide, which is one of the ingredients of thermite, is used in primer paint. In fact, I have posted the list of ingredients from the manufacturer from time to time.

To sum it up, you have no case for thermite.

Me?
uhm ... yes, you're right :D
 
Oops!! I crossed that up. I actually meant that for Criteria.

Criteria has me on ignore I believe, but would you or someone else ask him if he understands the microspheres and Red Grey Chips can possibly be dated, I am researching dating them by NORM,
Wonder why Harrit and Jones didn't attempt that?
 
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I have a message for you from someone:

"microspheres and Red Grey Chips can possibly be dated"


To add my take, there is nothing that you have posted that proved thermite was used. That is one of the most ridicules things that I have heard!!
 
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