Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

[byn63]

The psychiatric testimony was relevant because biased Judge Dupree wangled it so that the only testimony the jury were told about came from the biased government psychiatrists, Dr. Brussel and Dr Silverman. Dr. Brussel was suffering from senile dementia at the time.

henri - no psychiatric testimony was presented at trial FROM EITHER SIDE. Since inmate did not use a "temporary insanity" or "not guilty due to mental disease or defect" defense the psychiatric testimony was IRRELEVANT. The defense and the government could have had dueling experts and the wise and intelligent Judge Dupree decided that dueling experts would muddy the waters and confuse the jurors. Judge Dupree didn't 'wangle' anything he did his job, doing his best to keep the damage Bernie Segal was doing to his client to a minimum. As the prosecution stated in the closing arguments, if they could prove inmate DID SLAUGHTER his family, they didn't have to prove he was the type who could/would.

just because you don't like the FACTS of the case does not give you the right to accuse everyone involved on the prosecution side of fraud or illegal actions. Don't you realize how ridiculous you make inmate look by your behavior? Seriously, if he knew about your specious and off the deep end arguments you make he'd BEG YOU to stop. All of your ranting makes him look more and more guilty. YOU continually point out his consciousness of guilt and the idiotic conspiracy theory that you cling to......

I am sure I am not the only one to notice that in the world of henri EVERYONE but inmate is guilty. I remind henri that 3 men may keep a secret only after 2 of them are dead.

 

[Henri McPhee]

The corruptly biased Judge Dupree deliberately excluded any psychiatric testimony favourable to the MacDonald defense, in the same way as it was clearly erroneous for him to exclude the confessions of Helena Stoeckley. There were at least five psychiatrists, or psychologists, who agreed with Dr. Sadoff that he was fairly certain MacDonald didn't do it. The jury were not being told the half of it. The jury were only told a soundbite from the crooked prosecution psychiatrists Dr. Brussel and Dr. Silverman. You need to check your facts. Start talking to Mazerolle and Bruce Fowler.

The matter is explained by somebody called Xiulan on the internet:

Feb 14, 2015 at 2:29am albion, dengas, and 2 more like this QuotePost Options Post by xiulan on Feb 14, 2015 at 2:29am

Enter Dr. James Brussel and Dr. Hirsch Lazaar Silverman: Dr. Brussel was hand-picked by the trial judge and the defense was hamstrung into consenting to the evaluation as a means to get the judge to admit evidence affirmative to the defense. This never happened. None of the defense evidence was admitted and the only psychological evaluation the jury ever saw was this one, conducted on August 13, 1979. "Dr. MacDonald musters a strangely foundational repression, even an unconscious denial, of the murders of his wife and children; seemingly, in fact, the impact of the tragedy is blunted, if not blotted out..."

After 9 years? No kidding. I know that it is glamorous to expect people to be in a constant state of active grief for the rest of their lives, but that is simply not reality and any psychiatrist worth the paper his degree is written on would know that. The report claims a "delusion of persecution," which is concluded solely based on his strong feelings now that Army CID is out to get him.

Considering that they reopened the investigation into him, not the case in general, in early 1971 and didn't stop until they got a civilian court to convene a Grand Jury in 1975, and then fully participated in the construction of the case for the prosecution's trial through 1979...yeah, I guess he was feeling persecuted and was likely pretty angry.

 

[byn63]

The Honorable Judge Dupree was a distinguished jurist and well regarded (as well) was easily within his discretion to exclude psychiatric testimony. NO PSYCHIATRIC TESTIMONY WAS PROVIDE AT TRIAL FOR EITHER SIDE. If inmate had entered a plea of "temporary insanity" or "not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect" then Psychiatric testimony would have been allowed. There was no reason for psychiatric testimony because it would have been nothing but a battle of dueling experts which would simply have muddied the waters for the jury.

There was psychiatric testimony at the Grand Jury by Dr. Robert Sadoff. It is inane and ridiculous to keep quoting these anonymous internet sources as if they had any validity. Apparently you didn't bother to read/learn the definitions I provided earlier so here they are again. Please pay attention this time:

specious: adjective; Having the ring of truth but actually fallacious.

fallacious: adjective; Containing fundamental errors in reasoning, Misleading; disceptive. (synonyms: false, illogical, invalid, specious, spurious)

 

[BStrong]

Henrudge!

Fact free posting since December 2012.

 

[desmirelle]

BStrong: you're only counting this forum. Henrudge/henri/wudge/albert/whatever else he's called himself has been fact-free for at least a decade.

We will give him credit where credit is due; he's earned it.

 

[BStrong]

BStrong: you're only counting this forum. Henrudge/henri/wudge/albert/whatever else he's called himself has been fact-free for at least a decade.

We will give him credit where credit is due; he's earned it.

He might well be the longest running false fact factory in captivity.

 

[JTF]

Murder Timeline

Whenever a new media advocate (e.g., People Magazine, Errol Morris) crawls out from under a rock to present a case for inmate's innocence, I wait in breathless anticipation for a murder timeline. Advocates claim that there is a mass of evidence demonstrating that hippie home invaders invaded the MacDonald home on 2/17/70.

If this evidence existed, creating a timeline should be an easy task. Well, neither People Magazine, Morris, nor Bost/Potter ever attempted a timeline. This speaks to the "specious" nature of the alleged exculpatory evidence presented to the appellate courts.

Those who believe in inmate's guilt, however, have no problem creating a murder timeline. Paul Stombaugh did it. Brian Murtagh did it. Several MacDonald Case researchers have done it. The evidence collected at the crime scene allows anyone with critical thinking skills to EASILY map out inmate's cowardly act.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/timeline.html

 

[desmirelle]

As a victim - I mean veteran - of Army housing of that time period, I can tell you that someone NOT A RESIDENT OF THE QUARTERS talking at 0200 hours will get the neighbors up. These people Mac made up were under the quarters of his neighbors - had Colette screamed for Jeff and not AT Jeff, they would have been calling the MPs or at the very least looking out their windows. I don't know how more simple it could be; we knew when our neighbors had company and could join into the conversation with them if we didn't have tv, radio or stereo going. Army housing of that time was CHEAP and that's the nicest thing I can say about it. (Air Force got the good stuff for some reason, I guess so the flyboys could get their rest.)

 

[HSienzant]

The "mystery hair" was unidentified until 2006, when it magically became a MacDonald hair for DNA testing at the AFIP lab.

There is nothing magical about DNA. It is science. Granted, it may be science you don't understand, but it is science nonetheless. And the DNA testing determined it was MacDonald's hair.

Hank

 

[byn63]

There is nothing magical about DNA. It is science. Granted, it may be science you don't understand, but it is science nonetheless. And the DNA testing determined it was MacDonald's hair.

Hank

Good point Hank! Apparently henri doesn't grasp even the simplest part of the "mystery hair" matching inmate. IT DIDN'T BECOME KNOWN AS INMATE'S HAIR UNTIL AFTER THE DNA TESTING SHOWED IT TO BE HIS. The AFIP and Prosecution did not say "okay let's proclaim this as inmate's hair" they sent an item of evidence to the DNA testing personnel and they did the test.

 

[Henri McPhee]

There is nothing magical about DNA. It is science. Granted, it may be science you don't understand, but it is science nonetheless. And the DNA testing determined it was MacDonald's hair.

Hank

That's assuming the prosecutors in the MacDonald case were whiter than white. Both Murtagh and Blackburn, and other prosecutors in the case, have been proven to be dishonest. Biased Judge Fox made a ruling, after protests from MacDonald lawyer Harvey Silverglate, that any tampering with the vials by Murtagh and the FBI lab should be videotaped. That never happened, and the tampering went on regardless for the DNA testing. MacDonald was screwed. The mystery hair was exculpatory so Murtagh substituted it for a MacDonald hair to prevent any further appeals.

Neighbors are not much help if a professional burglar intrudes into your house at 4am in the night. Jan Snyder saw what happened, but she had a rifle pointed at her apartment, and so she withdrew from the case. The other neighbors were told to keep their mouths shut by Murtagh, or perjure themselves in court.

 

[byn63]

That's assuming the prosecutors in the MacDonald case were whiter than white. Both Murtagh and Blackburn, and other prosecutors in the case, have been proven to be dishonest.

In what way has Brian Murtagh been "proven" dishonest? He has not been. Jim Blackburn DID have some legal trouble later in his career but it was in no way related to inmate or inmate's case and UNLIKE inmate he stood up like a man, admitted his guilt, did his time, and accepted his punishment.

Now, EXACTLY HOW does the honesty of the prosecution "magically" identify a hair fragment? IT DOES NOT. The hair fragment was sent, along with the other hairs to the AFIP where is was tested for DNA. THEN AND ONLY THEN WAS IT IDENTIFIED AT ALL and THEN AND ONLY THEN WAS IT MADE KNOWN THAT THE "mystery hair" WAS 100% DNA MATCH TO INMATE.

 

[byn63]

Judge Fox made a ruling, after protests from MacDonald lawyer Harvey Silverglate, that any tampering with the vials by Murtagh and the FBI lab should be videotaped. That never happened, and the tampering went on regardless for the DNA testing. MacDonald was screwed.

Damn, you REALLY LIKE making up fictional claims! First there was no "tampering" of the vials. inmate's lawyers ASKED FOR AND WERE GRANTED the ability to witness the packaging of the evidence as it was prepared for shipment to AFIP. The prosecution ALSO VIDEOTAPED THE PROCEDURES. No evidence tampering and inmate was SCREWED BECAUSE HE WAS INDEED THE MURDERER and the bloody limb hair was from his body.

The mystery hair was exculpatory so Murtagh substituted it for a MacDonald hair to prevent any further appeals.

HOW EXACTLY did Brian Murtagh get an exact match in size and type of hair fragment WITH Colette's blood on it from inmate WITHOUT inmate knowing about it? The "mystery hair" was the "distal" or "tip" portion of a limb hair and it was found clutched in Colette's hand along with a splinter from the murder club that was also bloody. (in this case LITERALLY BLOODY not a "curse" bloody that Brits use). EVEN THE DEFENSE does not make the ridiculous claims as made by YOU.

I do not like your penchant for bad mouthing your betters. Brian Murtagh, Judge Dupree, Judge Fox, and yes EVEN Jim Blackburn are your betters. Just because you throw mud around does not make your accusations truthful, they are NOT truthful. ALL the SOURCED EVIDENCE shows inmate is the guilty party. WHY don't you spend even 1/16 of your energy fighting for justice FOR THE VICTIMS IN THIS CASE.

Perhaps you haven't heard but the VICTIMS in this case are:
Colette, age 26 years - viciously butchered by inmate
Kimberley, age 5 years - viciously butchered by inmate
Kristen, age 2 years - viciously butchered by inmate
Unborn son - murdered by inmate when he killed Colette.

 

[JTF]

MacFantasy Island

In 1999, Judge Fox conducted a DNA protocol hearing and the two main players at that hearing were Barry Scheck and Brian Murtagh. During this process, Harvey Silverglate was relegated to 3rd stooge. As usual, Brian was thoroughly prepared and the only victory garnered by the defense came in the form of choosing the lab for DNA testing.

Brian won out on every other significant issue. This included divisibility of exhibits, the number of exhibits tested and the types of exhibits suitable for testing. According to you know who, Brian is also a psychic for he apparently knew that E-5 would match a known intruder suspect. How Brian would gain access to the evidentiary storage unit at Quantico and switch hairs is best left to authors of conspiracy novels.

Common sense would dictate that Brian would have also switched the 5mm hair fragment found in Kristen's fingernail scrapings with a 5mm hair fragment from inmate. Oh, I forgot that Brian's psychic abilities were transient, so he couldn't have known that this hair fragment was unsourced.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[Henri McPhee]

I do not like your penchant for bad mouthing your betters. Brian Murtagh, Judge Dupree, Judge Fox, and yes EVEN Jim Blackburn are your betters. Just because you throw mud around does not make your accusations truthful, they are NOT truthful. ALL the SOURCED EVIDENCE shows inmate is the guilty party. WHY don't you spend even 1/16 of your energy fighting for justice FOR THE VICTIMS IN THIS CASE.

[[/I][/B]

A lack of confidence in the administration of justice constitutes a grave peril to the State. Many people think that it is dangerous to criticise judges, magistrates or police. Without public criticism institutions, however excellent, become unhealthy and decay. Even if it were possible to do so, however, it is impossible to hush things up.

I don't know why JTF keeps harping on about a timeline all the time. The timeline has been fully explained by Jeff MacDonald, and by Helena Stoeckley in the past. The time of the emergency phone call is scientific fact.

We don't know for certain if Murtagh and the FBI lab tampered with the hairs under the children's fingernails, as well as the mystery hair. The FBI lab hairs and fibers department has come in for criticism in the past, and not just in the MacDonald case, and nothing has been done about it.

Murtagh was dishonest in withholding the information about hairs under the children's fingernails at the MacDonald trial. This was explained to JTF by Fred Bost in a letter in 1999:

First I should point out that because you read the hardcover edition of our book you are apparently unaware that hairs with roots intact were found under the bloody fingernails of the MacDonald children and the findings were kept hidden.

Laboratory notes by Janice Glisson record the finding by her and also record that she was unable to match the hairs to hairs that had been taken from Jeffrey MacDonald earlier that week in 1970. The last notation in her notes indicates that her findings "are not going to be reported by me." And they weren't. Her subsequent laboratory report (R-11) failed to mention the hairs from the children's fingernails. Her lab notes were kept secret until long after the trial. I found them while browsing through old documents shortly after our book went to the printshop.

 

[byn63]

I DO NOT LIKE YOUR PENCHANT FOR BAD MOUTHING YOUR BETTERS HENRI, AND BRIAN MURTAGH MOST ESPECIALLY IS YOUR BETTER. He is a better man than you can ever hope to become and it is long past time you stop making up bs to try to make yourself more important.

Brian Murtagh did not withhold any evidence AT ALL and you have been told this ad nauseum. The courts have discussed, reviewed, and deliberated on every single on of these claims and have found NOTHING WAS WITHHELD. PERIOD.

You have also been told time and time again that E-5 was THE DISTAL OR TIP PORTION OF A LIMB HAIR WHICH CANNOT BE COMPARED UNDER MICROSCOPIC EXAMINATION. The fact that Janice Glisson who was LEARNING about hair and fiber analysis ATTEMPTED a comparison and failed DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS NOT INMATE'S HAIR.

Try and grasp this henri:

only HEAD AND PUBIC HAIRS can be compared microscopically. the ONLY information that can be gleaned under the microscope on other human hairs is WHAT REGION OF THE BODY they come from (in this case either arms or legs). THEREFORE UNTIL THE DNA TESTING THERE WAS NO WAY TO IDENTIFY WHO THE HAIR (E-5) BELONGED TO WITH THE AVAILABLE FORENSICS AT THE TIME OF THE MURDERS THROUGH THE TRIAL.

The DNA testing was when it was PROVEN that inmate and company could indeed tell the truth - the "mystery hair" found in Colette's hand did indeed come from the murderer! It is a 100% DNA match to inmate because inmate is the one who was swinging the club and battered Colette and crushed Kimmie's face too!

 

[Henri McPhee]

I DO NOT LIKE YOUR PENCHANT FOR BAD MOUTHING YOUR BETTERS HENRI, AND BRIAN MURTAGH MOST ESPECIALLY IS YOUR BETTER. He is a better man than you can ever hope to become and it is long past time you stop making up bs to try to make yourself more important.

Brian Murtagh did not withhold any evidence AT ALL and you have been told this ad nauseum. The courts have discussed, reviewed, and deliberated on every single on of these claims and have found NOTHING WAS WITHHELD. PERIOD.

There can be no doubt at all that Murtagh withheld exculpatory evidence at the MacDonald trial. That is illegal under the Brady law in America with regard to disclosure of exculpatory evidence. The trouble is that Brady law does not seem to be enforced in America, a bit like international law on aggressive warfare is ignored and not enforced.

The matter is discussed at this website:

www.dingeengoete.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/dr-jeffrey-macdonald.html

This is part of that blog:

One of the many key setbacks to the defense perpetrated by Judge Dupree was that the results of the Army investigation Col. Rock's report indicating that there was no truth to the charge that Dr. MacDonald was culpable in his family's deaths were disallowed as evidence in the trial. This meant the Army's completely incompetent investigation and mishandling of evidence and suspects would be kept from the jury, as well as the analysis of the seasoned and respected Army investigator, Col. Rock.

When the judge ruled that Col. Rock's report could not be used by the defense, it became urgent that the notes from the original Army evaluation of the evidence be made available to the defense. Again the government prosecutors refused and the judge agreed with the refusal.
In retrospect, it is not hard to understand why the prosecution refused to disclose the physical evidence to the defense. The government's case against MacDonald would have been seriously compromised.

Edited by Agatha: 

Trimmed for rule 4. When copypasting, paste no more than one or two short paragraphs and provide a link.

 

[JTF]

Your Silence Speaks Volumes

In 1999, Judge Fox conducted a DNA protocol hearing and the two main players at that hearing were Barry Scheck and Brian Murtagh. During this process, Harvey Silverglate was relegated to 3rd stooge. As usual, Brian was thoroughly prepared and the only victory garnered by the defense came in the form of choosing the lab for DNA testing.

Brian won out on every other significant issue. This included divisibility of exhibits, the number of exhibits tested and the types of exhibits suitable for testing. According to you know who, Brian is also a psychic for he apparently knew that E-5 would match a known intruder suspect. How Brian would gain access to the evidentiary storage unit at Quantico and switch hairs is best left to authors of conspiracy novels.

Common sense would dictate that Brian would have also switched the 5mm hair fragment found in Kristen's fingernail scrapings with a 5mm hair fragment from inmate. Oh, I forgot that Brian's psychic abilities were transient, so he couldn't have known that this hair fragment was unsourced.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[byn63]

There can be no doubt at all that Murtagh withheld exculpatory evidence at the MacDonald trial. That is illegal under the Brady law in America with regard to disclosure of exculpatory evidence. The trouble is that Brady law does not seem to be enforced in America, a bit like international law on aggressive warfare is ignored and not enforced.

There WAS NO EVIDENCE WITHHELD BY BRIAN MURTAGH OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE PROSECUTION. I am fully aware of the Brady law, and as has been pointed out to you numerous times so are the Courts of the US and no judge has found any Brady violations in this case. Just because some anonymous ding-dong does a blog that claims such things have occurred IT DOES NOT mean that it is FACT. IN this case it is FACT that there were no Brady Violations in inmate's case. period.

Try reading the actual Court documentation that is available. Just because you keep insisting violations happened over and over and over again does not make it any more true. So grow up, stop accusing your betters of illegal behavior, and start looking at FACTS rather than your wudge, albie, artie, henri multi-personality posts of old that are long since proven to be nonsense.

 

[JTF]

Landlord Of MacFantasy Island

In the past 14 years, the landlord of MacFantasy Island has never really put forth his own thoughts, ideas or opinions on the evidentiary arguments in this case. His standard line is that so and so from the MacDonald Camp took this position and that he agrees with that position.

There is no indication of independent thought or questioning of the arguments put forth by inmate's advocates. This clearly indicates that the landlord of MacFantasy Island has no real interest in the truth of the matter and is merely using true crime forums as a means of eliciting a specific response.

That response is to get case researchers riled up and ultimately to provide the landlord of MacFantasy Island with all of the attention that he doesn't receive in his everyday life. A little sidenote, neither inmate, Stoeckley or ANY MacDonald advocate has EVER provided a murder timeline in this case.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com