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LSSBB said:
"It's not how you feel, it's how you look. And you look mahvellous!"
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JihadJane said:
In what way Russia is an enemy of the United States of America?
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That question has been frustrating me since about 1991.

We get along a lot better with Germany and Japan, with whom we fought a horribly bloody war. Why can't we and the Russians make more progress?

For quite a while in the 00's, there was the "we are in this struggle with Islamic Terrorist" stuff as a point of common interest. I guess that wasn't important enough.
 
TraneWreck said:
If you're arguing a technicality, fine, but there is nothing in any of this that remotely supports the pre-war propaganda.
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On the contrary, Iraq violated 16 UN Resolutions and other conditions after the Gulf War, anyone of them would have justified an invasion. Break a contract, face the consequences.
 
JihadJane said:
...but bear in mind that Clinton's pre-election stance was explicitly anti-Russian, while Trump said he was not seeking conflict with Russia.
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Trump will change his tune because Russia knew about the chemical attack in Syria and now this again. The Russians were probably heading toward Alaska as I was posting information of previous Russian intercepts by F-22's of the 477th Fighter Group, which is based at Joint Base, Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska.

U.S. Fighter Jets Intercept Russian Bombers Flying Near Alaska

The U.S. scrambled jet fighters to intercept two Russian bombers that flew near the Alaskan coast on Monday night, several American officials said.

The Russian long-range TU-95 Bear bombers breached airspace around the U.S and Canada known as the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone in which aircraft must be readily identified and report details of their course and destination. The Russian bombers stayed in international airspace.

The bombers flew near the Aleutian Islands. The Russians also had maritime patrol aircraft in the vicinity.

The U.S. scrambled two F-22 fighters from Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage, Alaska, to intercept the Russian planes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...pt-russian-bombers-flying-near-alaska-n747981
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skyeagle409 said:
On the contrary, Iraq violated 16 UN Resolutions and other conditions after the Gulf War, anyone of them would have justified an invasion. Break a contract, face the consequences.
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The invasion of Iraq was illegal and a war crime. You work for a criminal organisation.

skyeagle409 said:
That is what an enemy would do and the Russians were doing it during the Cold War as well.
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It's what a country does when being threatened by a world bully suffering from delusions of entitlement and virtue.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Seriously? That's your conclusion?

Are you unaware of Tillerson's connections to Putin?
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I am aware of Tillerson's petrochemical industry connections to Russia but how does that support the assertion that Russia got him into the White House?
 
Argumemnon said:
Did you miss the whole Ukraine invasion thing?

I don't believe for a second that you're so ignorant of world events.
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Russia didn't invade Ukraine. That is a USA propaganda meme, i.e. a big lie.



You're the one who ignores the evidence, and then you say that the ignorance is mine? Beautiful.
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"High confidence" is intelspeak for "we don't have any concrete evidence". Please show where, in the report you linked to, there is any conclusive evidence that Russia attempted to influence the US election.



This isn't skeptical inquiry. This is a ten year-old asking "why" endlessly.

If you influence US elections to favour the guy who has ties to you, and he puts other people who have ties to you into his cabinet, then you have "gotten people with Russian tiest into the White House". Stop pretending to understand or know none of this.
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Russia didn't influence the US elections. Despite repeated requests from me for examples of Putin attacking Clinton before the election, you have not provided any.



Evidence.
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You haven't provided any evidence that Putin attacked Clinton before the election.
 
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JihadJane said:
Russia didn't invade Ukraine. That is a USA propaganda meme, i.e. a big lie.
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Putting soldiers in a sovereign country counts as an invasion in my book.

But you're so utterly pro-Putin that this conversation isn't really about evidence, is it?

Any accusation against Russia, you'll dismiss. It's ideological.

"High confidence" is intelspeak for "we don't have any concrete evidence".
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And "evidence" is interspeak for "no evidence", I suppose? Again, you don't give a rat's ass about evidence. All you care about is the "side" you're on.

Russia didn't influence the US elections.
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See?
 
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JihadJane said:
Because none has been presented. Only "high confidence" has been expressed, intelspeak for "we haven't got any concrete evidence".
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Well, that's about the same way science expresses itself, most things being probabilistic and subject to interpretation. Anyway, regarding publicly divulged intelligence reports, my question to you is, do you allow there may be reasons for redacting such reports to protect sources and methods?
 
Argumemnon said:
Putting soldiers in a sovereign country counts as an invasion in my book.

But you're so utterly pro-Putin that this conversation isn't really about evidence, is it?

Any accusation against Russia, you'll dismiss. It's ideological.



And "evidence" is interspeak for "no evidence", I suppose? Again, you don't give a rat's ass about evidence. All you care about is the "side" you're on.



See?
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I don't think Jane is so much pro Putin as she is pro anybody who is Anti American.
 
In related news, Chaffetz,who recused himself from the House Panal investigating Russia's activities in the 2016 election announces he will not be running for reelection in 2018. IMHO, another casualty of the Russian Connection.
 
JihadJane said:
The invasion of Iraq was illegal and a war crime. You work for a criminal organisation.
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It is all very simple. Iraq committed violations that set the stage for the invasion and the US and UN exercised great restraint in the face of those blatant violations before the invasion commenced.

It's what a country does when being threatened by a world bully suffering from delusions of entitlement and virtue.
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Blame Saddam, for whom I might add, admired Joseph Stalin and whose policies was similar to Hitler's and who sought and received, Russian military equipment used to slaughter thousands. Putin is not a friend of the US.

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JihadJane said:
Russia didn't influence the US elections.
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skyeagle409 said:
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Mr. Reality, and his brothers, Mr. Facts, Mr. Evidence, and Mr. Intelligence, do not agree with you.
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It doesn't matter what Mr. Reality, Mr. Facts, and Mr. Evidence say.

What matters is that "Russia didn't influence the US elections" has been posted, detected by eyeballs, and sent from those eyeballs into brains, there, hopefully, to lodge permanently in the form of belief.
 
dudalb said:
In related news, Chaffetz,who recused himself from the House Panal investigating Russia's activities in the 2016 election announces he will not be running for reelection in 2018. IMHO, another casualty of the Russian Connection.
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I had him pegged as a spineless party first hack. Has any news come out connecting him to this?
 
skyeagle409 said:
On the contrary, Iraq violated 16 UN Resolutions and other conditions after the Gulf War, anyone of them would have justified an invasion. Break a contract, face the consequences.
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********. That's not how war works according to our constitution.

That case doesn't work with the public, Congress doesn't go for it. That's why there was all the talk about mushroom clouds and collusion over 9-11.

It was all nonsense. Your sources validate that.

If Powell had said in front of the UN, "We believe Iraq may have a bunch of useless, degraded chemical weapons that are just a local environmental hazard now," no war resolution.
 
phiwum said:
Strange names for brothers. Four different fathers, perhaps?
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They were the sons of Mr. and Mrs. Undeniable. This just in:


****BREAKING NEWS****

Russian bombers again fly near Alaska

For the second consecutive night, Russia flew two long-range bombers off the coast of Alaska on Tuesday, this time coming within 36 miles of the mainland while flying north of the Aleutian Islands, two U.S. officials told Fox News.

Last week in Moscow, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said U.S.-Russian relations were at a “low point” during a news conference with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

While Tillerson was in Moscow, a trio of Russian bombers flew near the east coast of Japan, forcing the Japanese military to scramble 14 fighter jets at various times to intercept the bombers. A Russian spy plane traversed Japan’s west coast.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/19/russian-bombers-again-fly-near-alaska.html
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