Getaway driver arrested for murder.

Inside Edition said:
She recalled: "I heard the gunshots and I waited and I waited, waiting for them and then Jake came out. I seen him by the gate and he slid across my car. All I could hear him say was, 'I got hit.' He fell down in the driveway."

Rodriguez sped off but surrendered to police just hours later. She revealed that there was somebody else in the car with her who is believed to be a 15-year-old girl.

"I took her where I knew she could be safe," Rodriguez said.

She says she and the three teens committed several carjackings and home invasions together.

"I guess we kind of got used to not getting caught. We made bad choices," she said...
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http://www.insideedition.com/headli...me-invasion-case-has-a-lot-of-regrets-defends
 
Argumemnon said:
You're dodging the point, constantly. It's beginning to appear that you're doing so deliberately.

How do you know that they do not have violent intentions? Can you take that chance, since they just broke into your home?
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Apparently British criminal thugs are much more effetely ineffectual than our American variety, and simply wilt in the face of a stern talking-to. That would certainly fit in with the stereotypes most people have of the British.
 
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Vixen said:
No, I did not say that. I said, in the UK news, when a person is said to be armed, people generally take it to mean armed with a gun, unless it's qualified by 'armed with knives', or whatever the weapon.
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Were talking about OK, not UK in this thread.
 
When I lived in the "back woods" the police station closed and all officers were off duty, between midnight and Seven AM .

If there was an emergency, someone had to phone them at home and they had to get dressed to go to the call (at least they let them keep the cruiser at home! :)

So average case (if you were far away from the offices house) ... and no other emergencies were happening, it was 45 minutes to get there.

Worst case? ... a couple hours!
 
Vixen said:
That's to change the subject. The Westminster atrocity was neither a robbery or a breaking and entry nor a stand your ground. He was shot by armed police trained to apprehend terrorists committed to violating security measures.
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Oh, please, they are still criminals.
The UK debate on the subject goes back further than the Tony Martin case.

You presume to speak for all Britons and declare that none of them "applaud" those that kill in defence of their homes.

You are wrong.
 
Yeggster said:
There's an old American Saying ...

"When you are seconds from death ... the police are only minutes away"
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You know seconds and minutes are just units used to measure time, right? And using one or the other doesn't imply any particular quantity relationship.

It reminds me of what we used to tell patients about the flu. "If you take antibiotics, it will only last seven days. If you go without antibiotics it lasts a whole week."
 
Vixen said:
Terrible logic. As of the moment you hear someone break in, you have no idea of their motive, other than the obvious one of burglary.

Your fantasy scenario is a hypothetical what-if, and I do not waste time answering hypothetical questions.

What if they wore dresses? Then they could be your grandmother.
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Mine are long dead - and they would not have broken in!!!!!
 
Vixen said:
Armed robbery means = with a gun or imitation gun in the UK. A knife, baton or a cosh is merely 'an offensive weapon'.

If referring to a knife, a newsreader might say, 'armed with a knife', but if he or she just says, 'armed' it is taken to mean, with a gun.
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Apparently you know nothing about the UK

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/der...nience-store/story-29808595-detail/story.html

http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/new...ty_to_knifepoint_Marlow_bank_robbery_attempt/

http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/15071553.Man_charged_over_knifepoint_newsagents_robbery/

That's three. That's enough.
 
Matthew Best said:
Presumably if they're British too, you can just take it on trust.
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Especially if they are obviously teenage boys - possibly drunk - they do tend to have an immature readiness to defer to parents, adults and teachers.

The young thugs in my area, politely make way for me on the pavement, which they probably wouldn't for a fellow teen.

My American friend's son was the epitome of Southern politeness when I visited the USA, a really charming young man, so imagine how shocked I was when my son told me he was spitting over CD's in the Mall shop if he didn't like the artiste and uprooting his Mom's confederate flag off the lawn when she wasn't looking.
 
EHocking said:
Oh, please, they are still criminals.
The UK debate on the subject goes back further than the Tony Martin case.

You presume to speak for all Britons and declare that none of them "applaud" those that kill in defence of their homes.

You are wrong.
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I didn't say that. I dare say the average Brit would say, 'Hang 'em and flog 'em'.
 
Noztradamus said:
Apparently you know nothing about the UK

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/der...nience-store/story-29808595-detail/story.html

http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/new...ty_to_knifepoint_Marlow_bank_robbery_attempt/

http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/15071553.Man_charged_over_knifepoint_newsagents_robbery/

That's three. That's enough.
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Are sensationalist-style local papers all you could find?

In addition, as I said:

Harry B***, of High Street, Marlow, also pleaded guilty at Aylesbury Crown Court to one count of possession of a knife blade/sharp pointed article in a public place.
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ETA In England & Wales, armed robbery is not a separate offence from Robbery. However, as above, you will be charged with possession of an offensive weapon in a public place.

England and Wales[edit]
Robbery is a statutory offence in England and Wales.[5] It is created by section 8(1) of the Theft Act 1968 which reads:

A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force.[6]

Aggravated theft

Robbery is the only offence of aggravated theft.[7]

Aggravated robbery

There are no offences of aggravated robbery.[7]
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dudalb said:
I suspect there are unofficial exceptions to the Knife law;otherwise you would have to arrest just about every costume Participant at a Renfair or SCA Event.....
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The unlawful carry law (21-1272) was amended last November to remove all reference to knives. Knives are legal to carry now. However, a knife still falls under the definition of a "deadly or dangerous weapon". Both the knife and the brass knuckles in the burglary would be deadly or dangerous weapons.

As long as we seem to be going through the entirety of the Oklahoma criminal statutes, I did notice that Oklahoma still has laws against blasphemy and profane swearing (21-901 to 21-905):

Profane swearing consists in any use of the name of God, or Jesus Christ, or the Holy Ghost, either in imprecating divine vengeance upon the utterer, or any other person, or in light, trifling or irreverent speech.
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If you dare trifle with Jesus in the great state of Oklahoma you might find yourself a dollar short:

Every person guilty of profane swearing is punishable by a fine of One Dollar ($1.00) for each offense.
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marplots said:
You know seconds and minutes are just units used to measure time, right? And using one or the other doesn't imply any particular quantity relationship.

It reminds me of what we used to tell patients about the flu. "If you take antibiotics, it will only last seven days. If you go without antibiotics it lasts a whole week."
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That's not correct ... you are not taking into account any sort of reality.

The object was MICRONS tall ...

The object was MILES tall ...

Yes you COULD measure a man's hight in fraction of a Parsec ... or the distance to the nearest sun in Attometers ... but nobody does that.
 
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