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A religion focused upon an absolute God

lifegazer

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This thread follows-on from the thread titled "The God of all Gods. Unsurpassable.".
In that thread, I discuss the concept of God as an absolute, as opposed to a relative meaning.
For those who haven't read that thread, here's a taster:

Here, in this thread, I have defined 'God' in it's absolute glory.
A God that is all-present (the totality of existence) and a God that possesses any and all power/knowledge, truly surpasses those finite Gods worshipped by religious people. And there can be no doubt that those who believe in the reality of themselves/others truly limit the presence/power/knowledge of God.
Further, if the definition of 'God' is an entity with finite presence/power/knowledge, then all creatures are, by definition, God. Thus, the concept 'God' becomes a meaningless (to reason) concept.
Add to this the fact that relative-power is power that is in flux, and we clearly see the absurdity of worshipping a finite entity with relative power.
In brief, 'God' can only have any meaning if it is understood in it's most absolute glory.(from page 5)(recommend reading OP)

So, the absolute understanding of the concept that is 'God'
renders God as the totality of existence.
Clearly, this is at-odds with Christianity since Christians believe in the reality of man and the devil as separate entities to God.
Yet most Christians do not realise that such beliefs in other entities renders their God as limited in presence, power & knowledge. In effect, it renders their God as a finite spatial entity with finite power and finite knowledge. In their desire to believe in the reality of devil and man, they belittle and materialise their God.

This post serves as an introduction to this new thread. I don't want to discuss the above here (you can do that over in the other thread, if you wish). Here, I want to discuss what it would mean to believe in the reality/existence of an absolute God.
As I asked in that other thread:
What does it mean for the self to believe in the reality of this God?

In this thread, I shall be discussing such questions. But I won't do it in this post since it has become quite a long introduction.
So, I request that you all abstain from posting until after my next post.
Cheers.
 
Hey, even lifegazer gets bored halfway through his posts. Good, I thought it was just me ;)
 
Ryokan said:
Hey, even lifegazer gets bored halfway through his posts. Good, I thought it was just me ;)
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I vote this the comeback of the year:p

Thanks, I needed that laugh.
 
So...
What does it mean for the self to believe in the reality of this [absolute] God?

In other words, if you believe (or came to believe) in the reality/existence of 'God' and now understand that concept in it's absolute glory/meaning, what does/would it mean for 'you'?

... Well, as I have explained, this [absolute] God equates to the totality of existence. This means that if this God exists, then nothing else does.
This doesn't mean that You do not exist, since - as the experiencER of your sensations/thoughts/feelings (which constitute the human experience) - You obviously do exist.
So, such a belief obliges You to acknowledge that You
are God... albeit, lost to/within the experience of being human.

You suddenly acknowledge that You must be God. So what now?

... Your mission now - should you accept it - will be to eradicate the belief that you actually are the individual human within Your awareness. The ego will be the [experience of the] death of You. 'It' muddies your true identity and prevents you from being what you truly are, for you cannot be as God whilst you still have the attitude that you are human.

Hence this realisation spurs you to internal change. If God has the experience of being every living creature, then God is every living creature that seems to have an experience. Hence, one must truly learn to "love thy neighbour as thyself", since thy neighbour is thyself.
Jesus' commandment was not for nothing. Only a fool would command you to love every creature separate from you as much as you love yourself. Jesus was no fool - he knew that "I and the father are ONE" (the same).

One must strive to lose the belief in actual human identity and recognise that each individual human is nought but a different experience being had by God (Yourself). Hence, God is the essence of all mankind. Hence you now have legitimate (logically) reason to love your neighbour as yourself.

When/if one finally and completely accepts oneself as God, one will have Christ consciousness. Then, as The Christ himself said:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

Believe that "I and the father are One", and you shall have the capacity to do greater works than those reported by the Christ.
Reassuringly, one cannot have such power whilst one still sees himself as man. Therefore, such power is used for the good of all existence... or not at all.
 
So, what great works can you do, lifegazer? Show me a single one, and I'll be your follower for the rest of my life.
 
Ryokan said:
So, what great works can you do, lifegazer? Show me a single one, and I'll be your follower for the rest of my life.
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I don't want you to follow 'lifegazer', you bozo.

Nobody is saved by worshipping another. Nobody is saved by seeing God outside himself.

You either see Yourself as God and produce your own great works, or you're going to experience eternal misery. And that's that.

What 'lifegazer' can or cannot do is completely irrelevant to anything I have said. If you don't understand that, then you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.
 
lifegazer said:
I don't want you to follow 'lifegazer', you bozo.

Nobody is saved by worshipping another. Nobody is saved by seeing God outside himself.

You either see Yourself as God and produce your own great works, or you're going to experience eternal misery. And that's that.

What 'lifegazer' can or cannot do is completely irrelevant to anything I have said. If you don't understand that, then you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.
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So Ryokan is God and Lifegazer isn't?
 
lifegazer said:
What 'lifegazer' can or cannot do is completely irrelevant to anything I have said. If you don't understand that, then you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.
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It's not about you. You are asked to back up your claim:

Believe that "I and the father are One", and you shall have the capacity to do greater works than those reported by the Christ.
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Apparently you already believe it, so you "have the capacity to do greater works than those reported by the Christ." Well, let's see it.
 
lifegazer said:
What 'lifegazer' can or cannot do is completely irrelevant to anything I have said. If you don't understand that, then you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.
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Of course it's relevant. You claim you can do works of wonders comparable to Jesus.

I don't believe you, it just sounds too far fetched.

If you want us to believe, you must prove it to us. Obviously, your 'logic' is not enough!

Actually, I'm going to call you a liar. You're a liar, lifegazer, trying to get attention to yourself and your delusional philosophy. You're a liar who, when confronted with his lies makes ad-hominem attacks.

If you're not a liar, you have the means, by your words, to turn the world into a paradise of peace and prosperity. Just show the world your great works, and it will happen, because people will see the truth of your ways.

But you won't, because you're a liar.
 
What exactly do you mean when you use the word "worship", lifegazer?

In other words, what are some signs that a person is "worshiping" the totality of existence?

Can you have a "religion" without a method of "worship"?
 
c4ts said:
So Ryokan is God and Lifegazer isn't?
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Both are experiences being had by God.

Ryokan is doomed unless he sees Itself as God. Seeing 'lifegazer' as God is a futile experience. Look what happened to the Christians. They worshipped the man that was Jesus instead of the God that was at the heart of everyone, including themselves.

'Christianity' blew it.

The second-coming of Christ is not another physical manifestation, but a second chance to re-understand what has already been reported.
 
lifegazer said:
Both are experiences being had by God.

Ryokan is doomed unless he sees Itself as God. Seeing 'lifegazer' as God is a futile experience. Look what happened to the Christians. They worshipped
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I didn't want to see 'lifegazer as God'. You claim your religion brings you powers. I say they don't. You have the means to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that your religion is true. If you do, I promise that I will believe, I will follow your religion and I will help you convert humanity to the religion of The Absolute God.

Jesus was more than willing to show his powers to convert people to what he thought was the greater good.

You're a liar, lifegazer.
 
lifegazer said:
Both are experiences being had by God.

Ryokan is doomed unless he sees Itself as God. Seeing 'lifegazer' as God is a futile experience. Look what happened to the Christians. They worshipped the man that was Jesus instead of the God that was at the heart of everyone, including themselves.
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But you claim that if you believe you are God you can perform miracles. Therefore you should be able to perform one. So do it.
 
c4ts said:
But you claim that if you believe you are God you can perform miracles. Therefore you should be able to perform one. So do it.
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What "miracle" that I perform will convince YOU that you are God?
None.
Jesus (amongst many works) raised the dead - including the dead Jesus himself - and inspired 2000 years of worship in the man that was Jesus!!!

I don't want the next 2000 years devoted to discussion & worship of 'lifegazer'. You have to find God within yourself - and produce your own "miracles".

This is the 21st century and this is the new doctrine.
 
Okay, lifegazer, I see. You "have the capacity to do greater works than those reported by the Christ" but you won't do any of those great works because you "don't want the next 2000 years devoted to discussion & worship of 'lifegazer'." Sure, gazer, gaze on.
 
Hey, anyone been watching this season of Stargate SG-1? I was a little nervous before this season, but I didn't need to worry! This season rocks!
 
Ryokan said:
I didn't want to see 'lifegazer as God'. You claim your religion brings you powers. I say they don't. You have the means to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that your religion is true.
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Really? What do you suggest - crucifixion and resurrection? Will that suffice?
Rabbit out of an empty hat?
5 aces in a pack of cards?

Admittedly, you would be impressed by any such 'trick'. But nothing that I might do would prove that YOU are God.
Hence, anything that 'lifegazer' might do is pointless with regards this discussion.

Grow-up and think instead of begging for miracles from other entities. Lifegazer is not your saviour. You, alone, are.
 
lifegazer said:
Really? What do you suggest - crucifixion and resurrection? Will that suffice?
Rabbit out of an empty hat?
5 aces in a pack of cards?

Admittedly, you would be impressed by any such 'trick'. But nothing that I might do would prove that YOU are God.
Hence, anything that 'lifegazer' might do is pointless with regards this discussion.

Grow-up and think instead of begging for miracles from other entities. Lifegazer is not your saviour. You, alone, are.
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It will convince me that you're telling the truth, and not just telling porkies!

Your're a liar, lifegazer.

Besides, I already have a religion where I'm my own saviour. I'm a Buddhist.
 
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