Cont: President Trump: Part 3

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What makes the Ivanka story interesting is that there is no love lost between her and Steve Bannon.
 
dudalb said:
37% approval rating from the latest Gallup. Ouch.
It means he is losing the undecided and the independents...and they decide elections.
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And yet, there are those who continue to believe that Trump is good for America. Let's say:

Make America Great Again: Dump Trump!!!
 
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dudalb said:
Apparently her Husband Jared Kushner is engaged in a constant power struggle with Bannon in the White House.
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This struggle for Trump's attention sure reminds me a lot of the Nazi German "government" Kershsaw describes in "The Nazi Dictatorship".
 
dudalb said:
Apparently her Husband Jared Kushner is engaged in a constant power struggle with Bannon in the White House.
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Thanks.
My first guesses were something with Jared and his religion, though the two could butt heads over anything.

The other would be the inverse of TB's... that Bannon comes between her and daddy (I'm ascribing the animus more to her but it obviously could be both ways... for the same situation). I don't get that a multi-decade political operative like Steve really cares too much about a couple of meddling neophytes.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Alright then: third alternative, Clinton did a secret study, that hasn't been released to anyone, that can't be verified for using appropriate and valid survey technique... but that totally supports the thing she said.

Not really sure that's any better either.
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Well, that's one of the two other alternatives I gave you. To me, a highly partisan Trump defender finding a single poll that only shows that half his supporters have racist views, and thus using it to try to defend those poor, poor, picked upon racists as not really deplorable fits the bill a bit better.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt in assuming that she referenced that poll. The alternative is that she just invented it and pulled it out of her backside.
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Or she paid attention to the kind of people who were showing their support for Trump, and why they were supporting him.

Which do you prefer? Do you prefer that she insults a huge swath of americans based on facts, or that she insults a huge swath of americans based on her imagination?
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She didn't need to imagine anything. The kind of people who were supporting Trump were proudly flaunting their prejudices and bigotry for the whole world to see.

Oh, I forgot for a minute.

You were studiously not looking.

No wonder you're having trouble grasping reality. You avoid it.
 
Jim_MDP said:
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--- I'm wondering if son Eric can be compared to Grandmaster B Bud. Probably not. He's taking a ton of SNL flak for being "slow" (though I've seen little of him to decide) but he seems to want little more than to continue to run the Trump Winery... though not a standout, it does appear to be the one remaining success from Donald's many failed ego driven name branding attempts.
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Maybe because The Donald hasn't been running it?
 
Jim_MDP said:
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As for Ivanka... with her hubby's family holdings picking up a cool $400 Million on the 666 Park Ave. deal (does that figure include the $200 Million mortgage write down?), she's go to go as well. Thanks China. :rolleyes:

That's actually well timed... she may not be surviving on her product lines much longer. :p
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No problem. She just needs some more (not a) plugs from Kellyanne on national TV
 
Stephen Colbert says Trump is killing PBS so he can build condos on Sesame Street. He adds that Trumps's killing the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities because he resents anybody who's well endowed.
 
quadraginta said:
Ronald Grump builds the Grump Tower
(Sesame Street, Jan 14,1988)


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Saw that tonight on Chris Hayes, unbelievable foretelling, two decades ago. It says Trump has not changed and this jerk that is POTUS is who he has always been. The voting public was conned.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I'm curious, does Trump ever not lie?
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I am not sure. That would require him recognizing any objective reality outside of his own desires for what he thinks is true. So he makes all kind of factually incorrect statements but are they really lies when he believes them?

Honestly that is far more frightening that if he was lying all the time, because then he would at least have some understanding of the truth.
 
dudalb said:
He has already disappointed quite a few of the "Lesser of two evils" people who voted for him. Buyers regret is starting to set in.
Look, Trump will always have 35 to 40% of the vote. Any Republican will get that...it is the independents who decide elections.
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Which is really kind of surprising, he has been exactly the president he showed us he would be on the campaign trail. Because he is still on it.
 
rwguinn said:
You know, the election is, indeed, history.
You can let it go, now. We actually have other problems that are more important than this particular correctnessfest...
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And she will never see that so many of trumps supporters saw his racism as a big selling point, because he wasn't PC and told it like it is. That shouldn't make any difference at all in any sense when talking about their bases.

Are democrats racist, sure but racism was not a big selling point in why people supported them, unlike with republicans.
 
During the briefing, Spicer sought to distance the Trump campaign from aides who have come under scrutiny for their contacts with Russia after they were the subject of a line of questioning during the House committee hearing. He dismissed Carter Page, an informal foreign policy adviser to Trump, and Roger Stone, a longtime Trump confidant, as “hangers on”.

“To look at some individual that was there for a short period of time or separately individuals who really didn’t play any role in the campaign and to suggest that those are the basis for anything is a bit ridiculous,” he added.

But Spicer’s claim that Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manger, had only played a “limited role for a very limited amount of time” drew immediate skepticism from the press corp. Manafort joined the Trump campaign in March 2016 before being promoted to campaign manager, and resigned amid scrutiny of his business dealings to pro-Russian leaders in Ukraine.

Spicer also called former national security adviser Michael Flynn a “volunteer of the campaign”. Flynn was an adviser to the Trump campaign and spoke on the first night of the 2016 Republican national convention before being appointed national security adviser once Trump won the election. He was forced to resign last month after misrepresenting his contacts with the Russian ambassador to Washington.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/20/white-house-trump-wiretapping-claims-sean-spicer-fbi

As the focus on Manafort intensified Monday, the White House sought to distance Trump from the veteran GOP operative. Manafort took control of Trump’s campaign during a pivotal stretch last spring, when the candidate was working to clinch the GOP nomination and unite the party, remaining at the helm until mid-August, when he was forced to resign amid scrutiny over his work in Ukraine.

Press secretary Sean Spicer declared from the White House briefing room podium that Manafort “played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time.”

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“This is part of an investigation into the former president, Viktor Yanukovych, on suspicion of creating a 'criminal organization,’” said Gorbatyuk.

The office’s most recent line of inquiry — into Manafort’s possible relationship with Yanukovych during the months-long Euromaidan protests that began in late 2013 — stems from texts apparently hacked from the cellphone of Manafort’s daughter Andrea.

In one March 2015 exchange of text messages that appears to be between Andrea Manafort and her sister, Andrea Manafort seems to suggest that their father bore some responsibility for the deaths of protesters at the hands of police loyal to Yanukovych during the protests.

“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”

Manafort has acknowledged that Andrea Manafort was hacked, and he corroborated the authenticity of at least some of the text messages, which were posted in a data file on a so-called darknet website affiliated with a hacktivist collective.

He has said he wasn’t in Ukraine during Euromaiden, and he asserted that his work in Ukraine was “open, transparent and focused on doing all that I could to promote policies that were pro-Western” and focused on “moving Ukraine into the [European Union].”
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https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/03/paul-manafort-trump-ukraine-russia-236286

Note that Viktor Yanukovych and his party of regions was the largest and most powerful pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and he fought to keep Ukraine firmly in Russia's economic and political control until he was forced to flee Ukraine, leaving much of his ill gotten gains behind including his luxurious Mansion. To get a grasp of how important Yanukovych and his pro-russian policies were to Russia you only have to note that when he was ousted Russia quickly invaded Crimea and started it's active military intervention in eastern Ukraine.

No one can claim have worked with this man and yet have worked to "promote policies that were pro-Western” and “moving Ukraine into the EU". He's hoping that people are dumb and uniformed enough that no one calls his bold-faced lie. At best he was there simply to give the impression that Yanukovych was "pro-western" and wanted Ukraine in the EU even though his actions clearly said otherwise.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
It is to her, she needs to continue to justify not caring about trump winning the election.
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I think she's beaten that dead horse to a fare-the-well, but...

...she never gave me the impression of "not caring" about the election results.

Curious if you could point out what gave you that impression.

Her attitude - and she can correct me if I'm wrong - is more along the lines of the good old Serenity Prayer.

And "Acceptance" is the stage of grief that some here seem to be having trouble attaining.
 
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