The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

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Sigh. Nevermind. I'll get another telling off and TruthCalls will call us out again.

I'll ask this once again...but an actual answer isn't really expected.

Vixen, if Amanda has a criminal record in the US, which are publicly available, why doesn't TJMK, TMofMK, or PMF have a copy of it posted on their sites? Are they just being nice?
 
I'll ask this once again...but an actual answer isn't really expected.

Vixen, if Amanda has a criminal record in the US, which are publicly available, why doesn't TJMK, TMofMK, or PMF have a copy of it posted on their sites? Are they just being nice?

Shee-esh. It's not just people who've committed offences in the USA, its anywhere in the world. Canada no likey.
 
This is where you get it wrong. The border agents have discretion who they allow in and who they don't. The law is for the border agents not for convicts. It is regulations for them to go by. It isn't a crime to enter without the TRP so who cares?



You are WRONG: border guards abide by RULES and LAWS. They do not use their discretion without first consulting higher management.
 
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Shee-esh. It's not just people who've committed offences in the USA, its anywhere in the world. Canada no likey.

Shee-esh. I don't give a flying rat's patootie about Canada right now. Canada is not mentioned in my question. A question which you still avoid answering. Quelle surprise.
 
So you are WRONG: border guards abide by RULES and LAWS. They do not use their discretion without first consulting higher management.

That's right, this is why it takes 6 to 8 hours to cross the border. Agents have no discretion.
 
Shee-esh. I don't give a flying rat's patootie about Canada right now. Canada is not mentioned in my question. A question which you still avoid answering. Quelle surprise.

A criminal record is not predicated on nationality. In the western world, a criminal convicted in say, France, would be considered a criminal in, say England, were he or she to seek employment for which a Criminal Records clearance is needed.
 
In my post below I showed that true to form PGP display a a massive level of hypocrisy when attacking Amanda for naming Lumumba. Can Vixen explain the hypocrisy I highlighted in my post. In particular I would like to know how can Vixen be in a position to attack Amanda for naming Lumumba for committing a crime when Vixen has made a false allegation that Hellman has committed a crime in receiving a 500,000 dollar bribe. Is Vixen planning to visit countries where criminal convictions must be declared and if so does Vixen intend to declare she has made a false allegation that Hellman has committed a crime.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11758679#post11758679
 
I'll ask this once again...but an actual answer isn't really expected.

Vixen, if Amanda has a criminal record in the US, which are publicly available, why doesn't TJMK, TMofMK, or PMF have a copy of it posted on their sites? Are they just being nice?

Shee-esh. I don't give a flying rat's patootie about Canada right now. Canada is not mentioned in my question. A question which you still avoid answering. Quelle surprise.

A criminal record is not predicated on nationality. In the western world, a criminal convicted in say, France, would be considered a criminal in, say England, were he or she to seek employment for which a Criminal Records clearance is needed.



You are not answering the question I asked. Quit dancing around it and just answer the question:

Vixen, if Amanda has a criminal record in the US, which are publicly available, why doesn't TJMK, TMofMK, or PMF have a copy of it posted on their sites? Are they just being nice?
 
That's right, this is why it takes 6 to 8 hours to cross the border. Agents have no discretion.

Here is a useful site:

Temporary Resident Permits
Applying for a Temporary Resident Permit, or TRP, is the best way to be granted entry to Canada for a particular trip or a series of related trips. This is how American athletes get into the country despite DUI’s or other offenses. About 10,000 TRP’s are granted every year and many are to people with less than stellar pasts.
A TRP is an application that requests entry to Canada for a specific time period despite a criminal conviction. A TRP only grants entry to Canada for a fixed time period – although you can enter and leave Canada multiple times within that timeframe. A TRP is only valid for one year from the date of issuance.

To be granted a TRP, the applicant will need to demonstrate a required need for entering Canada, such as work, an emergency situation, or a humanitarian/compassionate reason. The goal on a TRP application is to demonstrate that the individual is not a threat to Canadian security during the period they will be in Canada, and to convince the office that their reason for being in Canada during that period may be a benefit to Canada (for example, if the person is attending a work meeting and will be bringing business to Canada).

http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the...minal-inadmissibility-to-canada/#.VMruDWjF_uQ
 
In my post below I showed that true to form PGP display a a massive level of hypocrisy when attacking Amanda for naming Lumumba. Can Vixen explain the hypocrisy I highlighted in my post. In particular I would like to know how can Vixen be in a position to attack Amanda for naming Lumumba for committing a crime when Vixen has made a false allegation that Hellman has committed a crime in receiving a 500,000 dollar bribe. Is Vixen planning to visit countries where criminal convictions must be declared and if so does Vixen intend to declare she has made a false allegation that Hellman has committed a crime.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11758679#post11758679

She reminds me of a certain someone who accused a former president of a felony without any evidence whatsoever...except his say-so.
 
You are WRONG: border guards abide by RULES and LAWS. They do not use their discretion without first consulting higher management.

I love it when you pretend to know what you're talking about. I didn't know you were a Canadian Border Agent. Do you commute for that job?
 
You are not answering the question I asked. Quit dancing around it and just answer the question:

Vixen, if Amanda has a criminal record in the US, which are publicly available, why doesn't TJMK, TMofMK, or PMF have a copy of it posted on their sites? Are they just being nice?

Amanda Knox has a criminal record, for serious crime, which isn't cancelled out by being in the USA.

Had she remained convicted of the aggravated murder charge, in Italy, she would have been compelled to sign on the sex offenders register in the US state she resided. (The 'aggravated' part referring to the rape and sexual assault of the victim.)
 
That's a non sequitur, unless you are claiming to be a felon who hasn't needed a TRP.

Wow...you've caught me, Vixen. Good work. Now, are you going to answer my actual question regarding TJMK, et al and Amanda's alleged US criminal record?
 
In my post below I showed that true to form PGP display a a massive level of hypocrisy when attacking Amanda for naming Lumumba. Can Vixen explain the hypocrisy I highlighted in my post. In particular I would like to know how can Vixen be in a position to attack Amanda for naming Lumumba for committing a crime when Vixen has made a false allegation that Hellman has committed a crime in receiving a 500,000 dollar bribe. Is Vixen planning to visit countries where criminal convictions must be declared and if so does Vixen intend to declare she has made a false allegation that Hellman has committed a crime.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11758679#post11758679


The comment about Hellmann isn't a crime, it is 'fair comment'

As I have zero convictions, there is nothing to declare.
 
Amanda Knox has a criminal record, for serious crime, which isn't cancelled out by being in the USA.

Had she remained convicted of the aggravated murder charge, in Italy, she would have been compelled to sign on the sex offenders register in the US state she resided. (The 'aggravated' part referring to the rape and sexual assault of the victim.)

That is not answering my question. She didn't remain convicted of murder, which IS an equivalent crime in the US. Please stop circling the question by bringing up things I haven't asked.

WHY DO TJMK, TMOFMK AND PMF HAVE NO COPIES OF AMANDA'S US CRIMINAL RECORD ON THEIR SITES IF IT EXISTS?
 
That is not answering my question. She didn't remain convicted of murder, which IS an equivalent crime in the US. Please stop circling the question by bringing up things I haven't asked.

WHY DO TJMK, TMOFMK AND PMF HAVE NO COPIES OF AMANDA'S US CRIMINAL RECORD ON THEIR SITES IF IT EXISTS?

It is a straw man question. You are the only one claiming that 'Amanda must be charged and convicted in the USA' for her to have a record.

However, the fact she would have had to register as a sex offender in the USA had Marasca-Bruno in Italy not annulled it (but - note - made it clear she certainly was present at the murder).

So your hypothesis 'It only counts in the country you did it in' is pure codswallop.
 
It is a straw man question. You are the only one claiming that 'Amanda must be charged and convicted in the USA' for her to have a record.

However, the fact she would have had to register as a sex offender in the USA had Marasca-Bruno in Italy not annulled it (but - note - made it clear she certainly was present at the murder).

So your hypothesis 'It only counts in the country you did it in' is pure codswallop.

FALSE. I have never claimed that 'Amanda must be charged and convicted in the USA' for her to have a record.
I have said, and am saying, that her conviction for calunnia in Italy is not recognized in the US. A murder conviction WOULD be recognized in the US...but she has no murder conviction.

Again, your entire last paragraph has nothing to do with my question which remains:

WHY DO TJMK, TMOFMK AND PMF HAVE NO COPIES OF AMANDA'S US CRIMINAL RECORD ON THEIR SITES IF IT EXISTS?
 
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