“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

[varwoche]

Why are you unable to say it to me? You just did. You are wrong. In fact, they are in charge in the US.

That was my point. I can't say it to you because it's not true. Pardon me if I was unclear.

 

[Belz...]

Yes, the criminals might get into trouble with law enforcement or other people.

What are you talking about?

If that is the required condition, then why argue against shutting down Milo's event?

Have I done this? I don't think so. We were talking about punching people.

That's not a method.

Yes, it is.

Besides, don't fascists respect the rule of your law?

No, they don't.

 

[caveman1917]

What are you talking about?

Criminals were hiding criminal Jews and someone was going to make a public speech outing them... Can you try to make your memory work for more than just a couple of posts?

Have I done this? I don't think so. We were talking about punching people.

No we were talking about Milo's public speaking event at Berkeley getting shut down.

Yes, it is.

No it isn't.

No, they don't.

Can you point out where Spencer and Milo did not respect the rule of your law then?

 

[Belz...]

Criminals were hiding criminal Jews and someone was going to make a public speech outing them...

I'm asking you where you're going with your comment.

Can you try to make your memory work for more than just a couple of posts?

Can you try to make your civility work for more than just a couple of posts?

No we were talking about Milo's public speaking event at Berkeley getting shut down.

No, I think I know exactly what I was discussing with other posters who said him getting punched would be ok because he enables Nazis, which came up as a sub-discussion of the thread topic. I wasn't arguing against or in favour of shutting down the event.

Can you try to make your memory work for more than just a couple of posts?

No it isn't.

Following the rule of law to achieve your goals is not a method? What definition are you using?

Can you point out where Spencer and Milo did not respect the rule of your law then?

Where did I say that they didn't? I think you have me confused with another poster.

Can you try to make your memory work for more than just a couple of posts?

 

[Newtons Bit]

I'm asking you where you're going with your comment.

He's making a claim that since laws in Nazi Germany allowed for summary arrest and execution of Jews, that we must remove a legal/civil protection that keeps us from becoming a state like Nazi Germany, to silence a man more moderate than Winston Church, because that man's speech hurts his feelings.

It's completely and totally non-sequitur.

 

[caveman1917]

Can you try to make your civility work for more than just a couple of posts?

Civility is irrelevant.

Following the rule of law to achieve your goals is not a method? What definition are you using?

A method is something like doing a demonstration, writing an editorial, punching a neo-nazi, blockading a highway, throwing molotov cocktails at the cops, having a public assembly, etc. Whether any of these follow the rule of your law depends, of course, on your law. It is hence not a method itself but an (arbitrary) classification of methods.

Where did I say that they didn't? I think you have me confused with another poster.

You just said fascists don't follow the rule of your law. Then either Spencer and Milo are not fascists or you should have an example of them failing to follow it.

 

[caveman1917]

He's making a claim that since laws in Nazi Germany allowed for summary arrest and execution of Jews, that we must remove a legal/civil protection that keeps us from becoming a state like Nazi Germany, to silence a man more moderate than Winston Church, because that man's speech hurts his feelings.

I'm not making any such claim. Besides, as if one wouldn't be completely justified in punching Winston Churchill.

It's completely and totally non-sequitur.

I suppose it would be.

 

[Belz...]

Civility is irrelevant.

The moderators may disagree with you on that.

A method is something like doing a demonstration, writing an editorial, punching a neo-nazi, blockading a highway, throwing molotov cocktails at the cops, having a public assembly, etc. Whether any of these follow the rule of your law depends, of course, on your law. It is hence not a method itself but an (arbitrary) classification of methods.

No, a method is the how you do something. Staying within the confines of the law is thus a method. Stop playing word games.

You just said fascists don't follow the rule of your law. Then either Spencer and Milo are not fascists or you should have an example of them failing to follow it.

Where did I say that they were fascists or that they didn't follow the rule of law? I made no comment about either of them except to confirm that Milo was often a troll.

 

[caveman1917]

The moderators may disagree with you on that.

They'd be wrong.

No, a method is the how you do something. Staying within the confines of the law is thus a method. Stop playing word games.

No it is not a method, it is an arbitrary classification of methods.

Where did I say that they were fascists or that they didn't follow the rule of law? I made no comment about either of them except to confirm that Milo was often a troll.

If fascists don't follow the rule of your law then either Spencer and Milo are not fascists or they don't follow the rule of your law or both. If you want to defend your claim that fascists don't follow the rule of your law then you must defend at least one of these other claims. Which one?

 

[Belz...]

They'd be wrong.

That's a bold claim, now, that civility isn't required on this website, since you agreed that it is when you signed up.

No it is not a method, it is an arbitrary classification of methods.

Now you're just talking nonsense. I have a method of making eggs, for example. Again you're just playing with words.

If fascists don't follow the rule of your law then either Spencer and Milo are not fascists or they don't follow the rule of your law or both.

I have no idea why you're asking me, since I've made no claims about Spencer or Milo. Your insistence on this is bizarre.

 

[caveman1917]

That's a bold claim, now, that civility isn't required on this website, since you agreed that it is when you signed up.

I didn't say it isn't required on this website, I said that it is irrelevant.

I do enjoy the irony in this appeal to "civility" from someone who defends hate speech under "freedom of speech".

Now you're just talking nonsense. I have a method of making eggs, for example. Again you're just playing with words.

Yes and that method may or may not be respecting the rule of your law, depending on your law. Is respecting the rule of your law a method of making eggs? If not, why would it be a method of opposing fascism?

I have no idea why you're asking me

Because you're the one who's implying it.

since I've made no claims about Spencer or Milo.

You've made plenty of claims about Spencer and Milo. Not that it is relevant.

 

[Belz...]

I didn't say it isn't required on this website, I said that it is irrelevant.

It's always relevant on a website where it's the rule. Mind you, your comment about my memory was also irrelevant, so you're not one to talk.

I do enjoy the irony in this appeal to "civility" from someone who defends hate speech under "freedom of speech".

How was that uncivil in any way?

Does Spender have this right or not?

Is respecting the rule of your law a method of making eggs?

Well, you could say that making eggs within the law is part of the method, yes.

Because you're the one who's implying it.

No, I'm not. You're the one who asked if fascists respect the rule of law. I'm saying that they as a rule don't (at the very least when they take power, like the example we so often like to bring up.) Doesn't mean they're unable to, or that they're the only ones who don't, or whatever other fiction you want to dream up and assign to me.

You've made plenty of claims about Spencer and Milo.

Quote me. And those better be claims about them being facists and such.

 

[caveman1917]

It's always relevant on a website where it's the rule.

It's never relevant.

How was that uncivil in any way?

Spencer's stuff is uncivil in a lot of ways.

Well, you could say that making eggs within the law is part of the method, yes.

I'll take that as respecting the rule of your law indeed not being a method.

Quote me.

Sure, here's one example:

Milo's not a Nazi.

And those better be claims about them being facists and such.

Any reason for that?

 

[Belz...]

It's never relevant.

Then go ahead and break the rule. See what happens. But stop contradicting yourself.

Spencer's stuff is uncivil in a lot of ways.

You were refering to me, not Spencer.

I'll take that as respecting the rule of your law indeed not being a method.

Even though I specifically said the exact opposite? Sounds like a dishonest response from you.

Sure, here's one example:

That's not me calling him a fascist. You fail.

 

[caveman1917]

Then go ahead and break the rule. See what happens. But stop contradicting yourself.

You were refering to me, not Spencer.

Even though I specifically said the exact opposite? Sounds like a dishonest response from you.

That's not me calling him a fascist. You fail.

 

[Sherkeu]

Criminals were hiding criminal Jews and someone was going to make a public speech outing them...

A poor example.

The speech isn't the real danger here, is it? Sharing locations directly with Nazi's about hiding Jews is more effective WITHOUT the speech. The speech just adds possible warning time.

I could make a speech showing evidence that you cheated on your taxes. I could also just send it over to the IRS so you had no idea what was coming.

Stopping the speech does nothing to mitigate the danger.
*unless the speech is the ONLY way the information can be shared. I can't think of a way all other channels are blocked. Perhaps if the speaker is a hostage? Or the speech contains coded messages that are best disguised by using the speech to communicate to covert operators listening in?

 

[sadhatter]

So just wondering, have any of the ******** stopped because of the stopped events or punched faces?

If not then it's kinda obvious is not effective and this garbage just gets them more press.

 

[dudalb]

So just wondering, have any of the ******** stopped because of the stopped events or punched faces?

If not then it's kinda obvious is not effective and this garbage just gets them more press.

True, but, man we get to wear cool black suits and look edgy and stuff....

 

[Belz...]

Now that is what I call a counter-argument.

You have not addressed the fact that I didn't make any claim like the ones you mistakingly thought I made. You have not retracted that. You have, in fact, failed to address anything in my post.

 

[caveman1917]

Now that is what I call a counter-argument.

You have not addressed the fact that I didn't make any claim like the ones you mistakingly thought I made. You have not retracted that. You have, in fact, failed to address anything in my post.

You said you made no claims about Spencer or Milo, you've been shown wrong. I'm not interested in wasting time with moving goalposts and other such games.