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Québec mosque shooting.

The Central Scrutinizer said:
If only those Muslims had been armed, they could have defended themselves. That's a good thing. But then, we'd have armed Muslims, which is a bad thing.

If you're a gun nut, your head just exploded.
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I'm a gun nut (admittedly too busy and lazy to jump through the hoops to own one) and I have zero qualms about saying the mosque should have armed guards ( hell so should my job but yay canada in not having that be legal. ).

People in targeted situations places and groups should be armed, it doesn't mayer their skin tone. Liking weaponry neither comes with a free nazi arm band nor a card making you a member of the political right.

Minorities especially can be more empowered by lethal proper gun ownership.
 
sadhatter said:
I'm a gun nut (admittedly too busy and lazy to jump through the hoops to own one) and I have zero qualms about saying the mosque should have armed guards ( hell so should my job but yay canada in not having that be legal. ).

People in targeted situations places and groups should be armed, it doesn't mayer their skin tone. Liking weaponry neither comes with a free nazi arm band nor a card making you a member of the political right.

Minorities especially can be more empowered by lethal proper gun ownership.
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My issue with that is guns and guards cost money. If the impetus is on the hated group to acquire those things, then they've essentially had an economic hardship thrust upon them.

I'm definitely against the idea that gun ownership results in 'empowerment.'
 
Delphic Oracle said:
My issue with that is guns and guards cost money. If the impetus is on the hated group to acquire those things, then they've essentially had an economic hardship thrust upon them.

I'm definitely against the idea that gun ownership results in 'empowerment.'
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It might be useful to note The Deacons for Defense protected their communities by being armed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice

And in the case U.S v Cruikshank

http://theusconstitution.org/text-history/580

The precursor of the Colfax massacre was disarming the freed blacks that had won elected office.
 
It's as though the progressive left has insisted on humanity re-learning every lesson we had spent thousands of years learning, all over again, and as painfully as possible.

Yeah, the mosque shouldn't' have to have armed guards. That's unreasonable. The mosque should be safely inside of a Sunni or Shia (whichever that mosque is) country where it can reasonably expect that the government and the borders act as a near-guarantee against anyone from another religious or ethnic group having access to them to do harm.

There shouldn't be a single mosque in Canada, Australia, the U.S. or Europe or Japan or many other places.

Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war.

This "we're all equal and should all live together and love one another, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan" bullcrap which has taken off these last several decades has, ironically and tragically, set the stage for the worst horrors in our species' history. Most of us here will get to see them and experience them within our lifetimes. Hope you're all proud of what you've done.

You wanted to fight and extinguish racism forever. You are AWAKENING racism through what you push. I spent thirty plus years being an avowed leftist anti-racist and I am now a huge racist expressly and solely because of the excesses of the egalitarian agenda. The globalist push to destroy borders and boundaries and the unique cultures and peoples of the world through forced cohabitation and mixing. It found and hit my limit and more people have their limit reached every day. I don't think most of you here have any inkling of how horrible this is going to get in the next 50 years.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
It's as though the progressive left has insisted on humanity re-learning every lesson we had spent thousands of years learning, all over again, and as painfully as possible.

Yeah, the mosque shouldn't' have to have armed guards. That's unreasonable. The mosque should be safely inside of a Sunni or Shia (whichever that mosque is) country where it can reasonably expect that the government and the borders act as a near-guarantee against anyone from another religious or ethnic group having access to them to do harm.

There shouldn't be a single mosque in Canada, Australia, the U.S. or Europe or Japan or many other places.

Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war.

This "we're all equal and should all live together and love one another, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan" bullcrap which has taken off these last several decades has, ironically and tragically, set the stage for the worst horrors in our species' history. Most of us here will get to see them and experience them within our lifetimes. Hope you're all proud of what you've done.

You wanted to fight and extinguish racism forever. You are AWAKENING racism through what you push. I spent thirty plus years being an avowed leftist anti-racist and I am now a huge racist expressly and solely because of the excesses of the egalitarian agenda. The globalist push to destroy borders and boundaries and the unique cultures and peoples of the world through forced cohabitation and mixing. It found and hit my limit and more people have their limit reached every day. I don't think most of you here have any inkling of how horrible this is going to get in the next 50 years.
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Yup, it's going to be horrible.

People getting along. Making good livings for themselves and raising families. And the racist arses getting more and more isolated from the mainstream of society because we see that they are failures. And them trying to lash out because they can't stand their own failure and need to blame others for their own issues.

Society advances when there is mixing. Insular societies become stagnant and are overtaken by the more dynamic ones.

Bissonnette was a small man, afraid of others and that he was inadequate to compete, so he lashed out at helpless people. He is a perfect example of why racists are losers.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Diversity leads to conflict.
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That's true to a degree, but diversity also A) avoids stagnation, a major problem of a homogeneous population (see Japan before the Meiji era) and B) most civilisations had some sort of population mix, so it's not as if history shows us much in terms of monolithic societies.

I think you're taking the quoted above too far, and as an absolute, which it isn't.

You are AWAKENING racism through what you push.
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That's because diversity, like anything else, can also be taken too far. Doesn't mean it's an evil in and of itself. You can drown in water but that doesn't mean you should shun it completely.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
It's as though the progressive left has insisted on humanity re-learning every lesson we had spent thousands of years learning, all over again, and as painfully as possible.

Yeah, the mosque shouldn't' have to have armed guards. That's unreasonable. The mosque should be safely inside of a Sunni or Shia (whichever that mosque is) country where it can reasonably expect that the government and the borders act as a near-guarantee against anyone from another religious or ethnic group having access to them to do harm.

There shouldn't be a single mosque in Canada, Australia, the U.S. or Europe or Japan or many other places.

Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war.

This "we're all equal and should all live together and love one another, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan" bullcrap which has taken off these last several decades has, ironically and tragically, set the stage for the worst horrors in our species' history. Most of us here will get to see them and experience them within our lifetimes. Hope you're all proud of what you've done.

You wanted to fight and extinguish racism forever. You are AWAKENING racism through what you push. I spent thirty plus years being an avowed leftist anti-racist and I am now a huge racist expressly and solely because of the excesses of the egalitarian agenda. The globalist push to destroy borders and boundaries and the unique cultures and peoples of the world through forced cohabitation and mixing. It found and hit my limit and more people have their limit reached every day. I don't think most of you here have any inkling of how horrible this is going to get in the next 50 years.
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That's a long winded, apologetic screed on racism and hate. I get a kick out of the fact that it is Muslims' fault no matter who is doing the killing.

I guess that crazy little killer in the States missed your memo, or else he was correct, when he shot up the black Chrustian church. No room in the U.S. for diversity, let alone opposites like black and white.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
My issue with that is guns and guards cost money. If the impetus is on the hated group to acquire those things, then they've essentially had an economic hardship thrust upon them.

I'm definitely against the idea that gun ownership results in 'empowerment.'
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Everything costs money we live in a capitalist society.

That is probably the worst arguement against guns I have ever read. By that logic nothing can empower anyone because it costs money.

Education? Not empowering costs money.

Media presence, nope not empowering costs money and time.

Private security, won't help costs money.

I could literally apply your logic to anything that takes any time or money (as time is valued). Want to try again?
 
Border Reiver said:
Yup, it's going to be horrible.

People getting along. Making good livings for themselves and raising families. And the racist arses getting more and more isolated from the mainstream of society because we see that they are failures. And them trying to lash out because they can't stand their own failure and need to blame others for their own issues.

Society advances when there is mixing. Insular societies become stagnant and are overtaken by the more dynamic ones.

Bissonnette was a small man, afraid of others and that he was inadequate to compete, so he lashed out at helpless people. He is a perfect example of why racists are losers.
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You mean being pushed out of society so much one is in the white house?

Keep thinking your tactics are working. I sure as hell want a diverse integrated society, which is why I fight so hard against garbage like attacking people for talking.

Not because I feel it's important to give racist idiots time to speak, but because I can see the effects of relaxing or sense of fair play is having.
 
qayak said:
That's a long winded, apologetic screed on racism and hate. I get a kick out of the fact that it is Muslims' fault no matter who is doing the killing.

I guess that crazy little killer in the States missed your memo, or else he was correct, when he shot up the black Chrustian church. No room in the U.S. for diversity, let alone opposites like black and white.
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True enough. Diversity awakens racism only if it's there to awaken. Pointing out the flaws and shortcomings of our nation, and the way in which we have failed to live up to our ideals, is not to invalidate the ideals.

What it is that I love about this country is that it is a very strange democracy. This country, for better or worse, has managed to subsume many different cultures, and make something uniquely America. (Rita Dove)
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Skeptic Tank said:
It's as though the progressive left has insisted on humanity re-learning every lesson we had spent thousands of years learning, all over again, and as painfully as possible.

Yeah, the mosque shouldn't' have to have armed guards. That's unreasonable. The mosque should be safely inside of a Sunni or Shia (whichever that mosque is) country where it can reasonably expect that the government and the borders act as a near-guarantee against anyone from another religious or ethnic group having access to them to do harm.

There shouldn't be a single mosque in Canada, Australia, the U.S. or Europe or Japan or many other places.

Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war.

This "we're all equal and should all live together and love one another, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan" bullcrap which has taken off these last several decades has, ironically and tragically, set the stage for the worst horrors in our species' history. Most of us here will get to see them and experience them within our lifetimes. Hope you're all proud of what you've done.

You wanted to fight and extinguish racism forever. You are AWAKENING racism through what you push. I spent thirty plus years being an avowed leftist anti-racist and I am now a huge racist expressly and solely because of the excesses of the egalitarian agenda. The globalist push to destroy borders and boundaries and the unique cultures and peoples of the world through forced cohabitation and mixing. It found and hit my limit and more people have their limit reached every day. I don't think most of you here have any inkling of how horrible this is going to get in the next 50 years.
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Anybody else thinks this is something that would have fit in perfecty in Germany in the 1930's?
 
sadhatter said:
Everything costs money we live in a capitalist society.

That is probably the worst arguement against guns I have ever read. By that logic nothing can empower anyone because it costs money.

Education? Not empowering costs money.

Media presence, nope not empowering costs money and time.

Private security, won't help costs money.

I could literally apply your logic to anything that takes any time or money (as time is valued). Want to try again?
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The former statement is an observation and remains valid, despite your attempts to dismiss it by conflating it with the latter, which was a statement of belief that was not predicated upon the former.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
... There shouldn't be a single mosque in Canada, Australia, the U.S. or Europe or Japan or many other places.

Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war.
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So there shouldn't be a single church in Egypt or Syria or Iraq or Israel or Japan, or many other places? Because if there was no diversity there would be no conflict; same as if your feet were cut off you would never have ingrown toenails I suppose.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Diversity leads to conflict. Insisting that different types of people must all share ALL spaces, with nobody getting anywhere to themselves, is a recipe for horrible bloodshed, distrust, and civil war.
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I did not realize you were forced to share the space in a mosque. Maybe you're living in the wrong place yourself. I've had to share the sidewalk with a few people including the occasional Muslim, but I've never been forced to step into a mosque.


I suppose one had better stop there, because, quite apart from what a lamentably stupid, backward, unimaginative, drab and flavorless world would result from your ideas being put into practice, I think it would be difficult to say anything polite about the inevitable displacement, exile, ethnic cleansing and genocide that it implies.

The argument that diversity causes bloodshed and civil war is the argument of wife beaters and rapists and terrorists, that their hate makes their crimes unavoidable. It's disgusting.
 
bruto said:
I did not realize you were forced to share the space in a mosque. Maybe you're living in the wrong place yourself. I've had to share the sidewalk with a few people including the occasional Muslim, but I've never been forced to step into a mosque.


I suppose one had better stop there, because, quite apart from what a lamentably stupid, backward, unimaginative, drab and flavorless world would result from your ideas being put into practice, I think it would be difficult to say anything polite about the inevitable displacement, exile, ethnic cleansing and genocide that it implies.

The argument that diversity causes bloodshed and civil war is the argument of wife beaters and rapists and terrorists, that their hate makes their crimes unavoidable. It's disgusting.
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Well said!
 
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