US Officially Blames Russia

Alphaba said:
that guy is a vouched contributor of bell¿ngcat: https://www.bellingcat.com/author/christo-grozev/. Quite a reference, IMO.
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Ok, into the dustbin with that blog, thanks for doing the research on that yourself. Got any sort of serious source for your claims?
 
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Childlike Empress said:
You know you don't wanna get involved when Brown Noses come up with an Illuminati CT. ;):rolleyes:
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It appears that Bellingcat has gained quite an umfelt of woo blogs. Remember that Ukraine@War blog which Bellingcat cooperated with for its MH-17 "investigation"? Turns out that Putin didn't just shoot down MH-17 but that the disappearance of MH-370 was also a secret operation by Putin to divert attention from Crimea.

Ukraine@War said:
the motive is simple: to create a distraction for the world from Russia taking over Crimea.

I remember the moment that MH370 disappeared VERY WELL. It was RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of Russia invading and taking over Crimea. By the time it became clear that this was a Russian military operation MH370 disappeared.
My thoughts at that time where like this: "Oh no!!!! Now the world has something else to focus on. They will forget about Russia invading Crimea. How is it possible that this happens at the worst time possible."

After some time, when details became clear, I thought: "To make an airplane disappear without a trace... that is not a terrorist act, it is not a pilot going bongus. You need to know how to put out a transponder... you need to know how and where to avoid normal radar... This is a very precise operation. It is a military operation! Russia might have made the airplane disappear to create a distraction for the world, because the world was ALL OVER Crimea right than and there.
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LSSBB said:
Now we know for sure it's a good source! 👍
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It is indeed a source I also will follow with great interest.

Otherwise, I'm not interested in wasting time with the resident Putin apologists.
 
Alphaba said:
Did you perhaps missed the year of my registering here, or what?
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Not specifically. But thanks for pointing it out, if 12 years weren't able to convince you that you need serious sources for claims you make, then I sure ain't going to be able to convince you of that either.
 
Alphaba said:
It is indeed a source I also will follow with great interest.

Otherwise, I'm not interested in wasting time with the resident Putin apologists.
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Give it a rest. People can dispute the accuracy and reliability of your source without being on the side of Putin, for God's sake.

I personally know nothing about your source and am only a casual observer in this bit of the thread. But your tendency to presume that those who doubt your source are doing so because of loyalty to Putin is disgraceful.
 
phiwum said:
Give it a rest. People can dispute the accuracy and reliability of your source without being on the side of Putin, for God's sake.

I personally know nothing about your source and am only a casual observer in this bit of the thread. But your tendency to presume that those who doubt your source are doing so because of loyalty to Putin is disgraceful.
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Bellingcat had the temerity to pin Putin on MH17, among other goings on. There are resident Putin apologists, and they find all sorts of reasons to not accept Bellingcat.
 
LSSBB said:
Bellingcat had the temerity to pin Putin on MH17, among other goings on. There are resident Putin apologists, and they find all sorts of reasons to not accept Bellingcat.
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Stop lying. Bellingcat's authors have been exposed as frauds by the scientific community time and again, information which has been provided to you on multiple occasions. That you keep ignoring that information in favour of lies about "resident Putin apologists" says a lot about your intellectual integrity.

Here's, for the umpteenth time, a sample of what actual qualified academics have to say about Bellingcat and its authors:

Theodore Postol:
Postol said:
This very short summary is aimed at exposing a counterfeit expert and his cohort, Eliot Higgins
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Neal Krawetz:
Krawetz said:
Bellingcat's PDF report makes many remarkable claims. Of the claims that I am qualified to evaluate, they are all false claims. Bellingcat cannot truthfully reach the conclusions based on the data they evaluated. And since these pictures form the basis for much of their report, they repeatedly reach conclusions based on faulty premises. Moreover, since they are making the exact same mistakes as they did last year, their report can only be interpreted as a work of fraud.
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Jens Kriese:
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The term "forensic analysis" is not a protected one. From the perspective of forensics, the Bellingcat approach is not very robust. The core of what they are doing is based on so-called Error Level Analysis (ELA). The method is subjective and not based entirely on science. This is why there is not a single scientific paper that addresses it.
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What Bellingcat is doing is nothing more than reading tea leaves. Error Level Analysis is a method used by hobbyists.
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The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity are at it again, asking Obama in a memorandum to pretty please finally grow a spine (yeah, haha):

A Demand for Russian ‘Hacking’ Proof

Conclusion:

VIPS said:
[...] What to Do

President-elect Trump said a few days ago that his team will have a “full report on hacking within 90 days.” Whatever the findings of the Trump team turn out to be, they will no doubt be greeted with due skepticism, since Mr. Trump is in no way a disinterested party.

You, on the other hand, enjoy far more credibility – AND power – for the next few days. And we assume you would not wish to hobble your successor with charges that cannot withstand close scrutiny. We suggest you order the chiefs of the NSA, FBI and CIA to the White House and ask them to lay all their cards on the table. They need to show you why you should continue to place credence in what, a month ago, you described as “uniform intelligence assessments” about Russian hacking.

At that point, if the intelligence heads have credible evidence, you have the option of ordering it released – even at the risk of damage to sources and methods. For what it may be worth, we will not be shocked if it turns out that they can do no better than the evidence-deprived assessments they have served up in recent weeks. In that case, we would urge you, in all fairness, to let the American people in on the dearth of convincing evidence before you leave office.

As you will have gathered by now, we strongly suspect that the evidence your intelligence chiefs have of a joint Russian-hacking-WikiLeaks-publishing operation is no better than the “intelligence” evidence in 2002-2003 – expressed then with comparable flat-fact “certitude” – of the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Obama’s Legacy

Mr. President, there is much talk in your final days in office about your legacy. Will part of that legacy be that you stood by while flames of illegitimacy rose willy-nilly around your successor? Or will you use your power to reveal the information – or the fact that there are merely unsupported allegations – that would enable us to deal with them responsibly?

In the immediate wake of the holiday on which we mark the birthday of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., it seems appropriate to make reference to his legacy, calling to mind the graphic words in his “Letter From the Birmingham City Jail,” with which he reminds us of our common duty to expose lies and injustice:

“Like a boil that can never be cured as long as it is covered up, but must be opened with all its pus-flowing ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must likewise be exposed, with all of the tension its exposing creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.”
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As usual some good comments under that article, f.e.:

Abe said:
Old school “intelligence community” agencies once suffered the indignities of supplying “magic bullets” and “magic passports” to plug enormous plot holes in “regime change” narratives, both foreign and domestic.

New school “intelligence community” agencies have outsourced the indignities to digital “magic passport” suppliers like CrowdStrike and virtual “magic missile” launderers like UK-based deception operative Eliot Higgins and Bellingcat.

A key “source” for ODNI allegations of cyber activity is CrowdStrike, an American cybersecurity technology firm based in Irvine, California

Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, is a Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council “regime change” think tank.

Like Higgins and Bellingcat, Alperovitz and Crowdstrike are charged with providing on-demand “regime change” propaganda material.

Alperovitz, quoted frequently as the main source of the Russian hacker/Trump “compromised” story, has said that Crowdstrike has “high confidence” it was “Russian hackers”.

“But we don’t have hard evidence,” Alperovitch said in a June 16 Washington Post article.

Allegations of Russian perfidy are routinely issued by private companies with lucrative US Department of Defense (DoD) contracts. The companies claiming to protect the nation against “threats” have the ability to manufacture “threats”. [...]
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He fails to mention that Higgins a.k.a. Brown Noses is, just like Alperovitch, on the payroll of the Atlantic Council as well.
 
I want to thank you all for an entertaining thread. I asked what evidence there was that Trump was in on the penetration, and the answer seems to be "not sure" but it does seem that nobody disagrees that a penetration occurred with multiple targets and purposes. Some interesting points raised on 'opposition research' in politics. (It used to be called a hatchet job back before there was an internet ... saw a local election swing back in the 80's over one such).

Who penetrated the parties looks like a mixed bag, but I don't doubt that Vlad and his team pursued their interests. That's their track record.

I'll go back to lurk mode, but I doubt that this topic will get much new info for a while.
I'd like to thank Delphic Oracle in particular for trying to be a voice of reason.
 
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NoahFence said:
Moar English.
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WikiLeaks is claiming they found information on French Presidential candidate Macron in Clinton's emails according to Russia Today. Oddly nothing on Putin's preferred candidates Le Pen and Fillon.
 
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