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Typo. 15mm. Sorry, I'm also having to sort out someone who thinks god is making their skin itch. My attention is divided.
It is very like brazing, but because it has always traditionally used lead it is known as soldering.
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
This looks like standard American sweat-soldered tubing to me. It may appear primitive to you, but it's very sturdy, easy to repair, inexpensive, and when done right, very reliable.
If you're not familiar with how this is done, the tubing is a slip fit into the fittings and sleeves. In normal construction, a little acid flux is applied to the tube and it is slid in. The assembly is heated with a torch, and solder applied to the joint (once lead and tin, now tin and antimony). When the heat reaches a certain point, capillary action sucks it into the joint, producing a very strong and leakproof bond instantly.
Technically, though there's a little overlap, soldering differs from brazing in occurring at a lower temperature, but also with less, if any, alloying of the filler with the surrounding metal. There's a chemical bond more like gluing, whereas in brazing, there's actually a shallow alloying of the filler with the parent metal. It's further complicated by the fact that silver soldering, so called, is really usually silver brazing, but there is also a silver-based solder occasionally seen in high grade electronics that is really solder.
Speaking here as a long time amateur construction guy, briefly even doing that stuff as a job, and having plumbed for many decades, I must add that good sweat-soldered copper plumbing properly done will last a lifetime, and that threaded brass or bronze, nice as it is, is a bear to work with, easy to get wrong initially, and nasty to modify later.
You can pop a tee or a joint into a 50 year old copper line with tools and materials that fit into a pocket (and a piece of bread if it's a live line - AKA a "tinker's dam"), and not have to think about it again in your lifetime.
Back in the dreamtime I had a house in the far north country whose bad insulation and bad heat led to occasional burst pipes, even though most were purposely installed on the inside of inside walls. How grateful I was that they were just plain old copper. Add to the pocketful of tools an old asbestos shingle to put behind so you don't burn the house down, and you're good to go (literally, if that line went to the bathroom).
LTC8K6
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Those fittings are standard soldered fittings exactly like what is in my house in North Carolina. I know because I had a burst pipe and had to repair some of it. When the solder job is well done, it is barely visible. (The burst pipe was not the fault of the plumbing, it was the fault of the owner and some unusually frigid temperatures.)
I think we are all in agreement that Mills is using standard USA style home copper plumbing.
I think we are all in agreement that Mills is using standard USA style home copper plumbing.
The Man
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Yep, thought about that a bit after I posted and concluded just after that it was just migrated deposits based on the very points you make.
Again yep, just very bad electroplating, vapor deposition or disassociated ion state media, plasma deposition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma-enhanced_chemical_vapor_deposition
Key point I was making is that in all those cases the electro-potential (voltage) is the driving factor. Just general heat from a mid electrode catalystic media reaction (especially one purported to be so fast and energetic) would vaporize both electrodes (more evenly) as well as (as noted by others) the housing material.
They also vaporize tungsten here ...
http://www.sandia.gov/z-machine/
But if I recall correctly (tungsten wires) that is just to provide (by said vaporization) the X-rays for the inertial confinement fusion reaction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_confinement_fusion
High energy density physics ain't nothing to mess with in a table top or 'coffee cup'. If it works as described they are not only extremely bad business people (as noted multiple times here) but also dangerously reckless (as also noted multiple times here).
http://www.sandia.gov/research/rese...tion_effects_high_energy_density_science.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
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aleCcowaN
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Thank you both. I like every explanation.
It was more a matter of vocabulary and that I forgot that you build with wood, drywalls and all of that. We build in brick and concrete and plumbing has to be mechanically integrated to our walls and work together junctions and all. That's why I think it's all sturdy. Now I prefer those modern hose like systems that can be replaced instantly and which can never surprise you with moisture and leaking as the water goes wherever the external pipe leads it.
Think in the cultural differences. The bathroom and the kitchen of a poor house here in 1930 had each a square drain with a grill on top and syphon with hydraulic closing. Having to mop a floor and then squeeze it in a sink was and is an unimaginable activity here. You simply scrub your floor with soap solution using a broom and swill it with buckets of water -it'll find its way to the sewage by itself-.
The Man
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Yep, replumbing (water feed) our house is a future project. Not that big of a project as the house ain't that big and the water distribution is already pretty well centralized. Been thinking of going with the PEX type tubing for that. Had a couple freeze outs at our old place so I put heat tape along all pipes here. However, that still takes power and we get some outages.
When I was a janitor (working my way through college), the bathrooms with the central drains were always the best to clean. If they had given me a hose, I would have just hosed them down into that drain.
When I was working clean up at a fish restaurant (floors get real greasy). I'd boil the biggest pot on the stove (during the other clean up) then dump it out and mop it up. Though we digress
http://www.supplyhouse.com/PEX-Plumbing-515000
Britain and Europe typically build of masonry rather than timber, and yet use the copper pipes we've been describing*. Pipes here aren't chased into walls, but built on the surface and boxed in. Your building technique where you are doesn't automatically lead to using brass pipes with screw fittings. That's simply a choice, presumably through local tradition/ habit.
*Although increasingly we are turning to plastic pipes and push-fit fittings.
Where I'm at (Michigan, US), it's nearly all plastic. In older houses they steal the copper piping and sell it for the scrap value.
ETA: Checked pricing online: about $1.80 a pound as scrap.
aleCcowaN
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This is going to be flushed into a new thread, but it's interesting anyway
Thanks for sharing your experience. Both where I live now and the area I'm moving are free from extreme cold weather then we only have to take care of the short pipes from the main water tank to the roof. In the rare event they got frozen, it'd be melt by noon.
I've had the opportunity to do a bit of piping using thermofusion myself and it's cheap and straightforward. For my permanent home I would favour the system that has 2'' thin stainless steel flexible hoses to embed in the masonry walls, and then 1'' plastic water hoses in them. In the beginning I think the system to be crappy, but some 20 years ago I broke the connection hub of the vanitory unit in our main bathroom and I repaired it with a segment of that hosing without having a problem ever since.
I think it's the difference between the Latin-Arab world and the Western Anglo-Saxon world. A North American tourist visiting Bologna or Bordeaux, cities with incomes comparable to Liverpool or Minneapolis, will probably think of them as dirty and shabby or dilapidated. The fact is that we build everything to last. Things are not to be replaced, repaired or to need frequent maintenance. That allows you to have real states to inherit to your grandchildren, and to stand 10 years of economical crisis without having to care for them and without being afraid of them going ruined. Of course we have to paint them and do little maintenance, and we can get used to not doing so in a way things look a bit tired, but then there's the other cultural difference: don't cast attention over your possessions, have all your luxuries behind close doors and far from your most exposed windows. We may cast attention over ourselves instead, but that protestant thing of "you should look prosperous because prosperity shows God has winked at you" doesn't work with Catholics, Orthodox or Muslims.
To me the cultural shock is the American™ way. Until some 20 or 30 years ago I considered those houses made of timber, drywall, tar and whatnot to be shanty town. Neatly kept shanty town. Later I got it: built it cheap (but not on the cheap) and build it now. Then, pay in maintenance half of what you should be paying in mortgage if you built our way. And repair, and keep the maintenance going on, otherwise your house will leak and be eaten by insects and rot and burn in a few years.
When I was in Los Angeles I couldn't get the difference between a blue collar neighbourhood and an upper-mid class one. Later I understood: size and maintenance. Humble houses were small, in small plots and with few and small windows, and you could see tired paint, with some chips, and a few pieces of cladding trying to curl. Rich houses where abnormally and absurdly huge with huge pieces of bad taste furniture, lofty rooms, large window panels and they were kept neatly in large plots which laws looked miserable and the best plants looked like bonsais.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Both where I live now and the area I'm moving are free from extreme cold weather then we only have to take care of the short pipes from the main water tank to the roof. In the rare event they got frozen, it'd be melt by noon.
I've had the opportunity to do a bit of piping using thermofusion myself and it's cheap and straightforward. For my permanent home I would favour the system that has 2'' thin stainless steel flexible hoses to embed in the masonry walls, and then 1'' plastic water hoses in them. In the beginning I think the system to be crappy, but some 20 years ago I broke the connection hub of the vanitory unit in our main bathroom and I repaired it with a segment of that hosing without having a problem ever since.
I think it's the difference between the Latin-Arab world and the Western Anglo-Saxon world. A North American tourist visiting Bologna or Bordeaux, cities with incomes comparable to Liverpool or Minneapolis, will probably think of them as dirty and shabby or dilapidated. The fact is that we build everything to last. Things are not to be replaced, repaired or to need frequent maintenance. That allows you to have real states to inherit to your grandchildren, and to stand 10 years of economical crisis without having to care for them and without being afraid of them going ruined. Of course we have to paint them and do little maintenance, and we can get used to not doing so in a way things look a bit tired, but then there's the other cultural difference: don't cast attention over your possessions, have all your luxuries behind close doors and far from your most exposed windows. We may cast attention over ourselves instead, but that protestant thing of "you should look prosperous because prosperity shows God has winked at you" doesn't work with Catholics, Orthodox or Muslims.
To me the cultural shock is the American™ way. Until some 20 or 30 years ago I considered those houses made of timber, drywall, tar and whatnot to be shanty town. Neatly kept shanty town. Later I got it: built it cheap (but not on the cheap) and build it now. Then, pay in maintenance half of what you should be paying in mortgage if you built our way. And repair, and keep the maintenance going on, otherwise your house will leak and be eaten by insects and rot and burn in a few years.
When I was in Los Angeles I couldn't get the difference between a blue collar neighbourhood and an upper-mid class one. Later I understood: size and maintenance. Humble houses were small, in small plots and with few and small windows, and you could see tired paint, with some chips, and a few pieces of cladding trying to curl. Rich houses where abnormally and absurdly huge with huge pieces of bad taste furniture, lofty rooms, large window panels and they were kept neatly in large plots which laws looked miserable and the best plants looked like bonsais.
michaelsuede
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Discredited - lol
I think it is pretty clear we have established that there are no power sources that can vaporize tungsten rods as pictured within seconds that do not involve a generator the size of a small car, a 700 lbs transformer and a dozen inch thick cables.
Given that none of these objects were present during the testing, it would indicate that there are indeed no known power sources that could possibly do what was observed.
aleCcowaN
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Starting for "your" device, which didn't vaporize such tungsten rods...
By the way, can you produce a catalogue or a receipt proving that those "tugnsten bars" are what you claim they are, because they are either commonly sold or were specially made? Metallic sodium, I can tell there are, and can replicate your "experiment", light, noise and all.
By the way, you're still owing an explanation about the unconnected copper plumbing piping in Mills' thingamajig as shown to CNN's. Do you think that your selective deafness here goes unnoticed to anyone with more than a two-finger tall forehead?
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Instead of trying to divert attention and misrepresenting what both you and others have posted on your assertions about vaporizing rods and such (which is not what's being shown in the pictures, so it's a red herring anyway) ...
How about showing us any proof of your claims that there's a miraculous hydrino powered consumer grade free energy generator coming out?
Mills' videos with parlor tricks and bright flashes are about as convincing as using an SNL sketch about cavemen to prove time travel exists.
A small telephone exchange may have 1 or 2 banks of 48vdc 500aH batteries. This is to provide a few hours reserve during a power outage. The potential short circuit current can be in excess of 10kA.
A larger metropolitan exchange can have a potential short circuit current in excess of 100kA.
Distribution cables are lashed down to stop them flapping about under fault conditions
This current will vaporise anything (spanners, metal tool boxes, watches).
Draw an arc and things get really nasty.
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Now you may not be able to plug in to the battery bank of a telephone exchange, but getting hold of a few 500aH batteries… not so hard.
For a bit of fun reading.
http://www.ieee-pes.org/presentations/gm2014/2756.pdf
http://www2.schneider-electric.com/...ve-catalogue/lvped2080006en/pdfs/page_019.pdf
A larger metropolitan exchange can have a potential short circuit current in excess of 100kA.
Distribution cables are lashed down to stop them flapping about under fault conditions
This current will vaporise anything (spanners, metal tool boxes, watches).
Draw an arc and things get really nasty.
.
Now you may not be able to plug in to the battery bank of a telephone exchange, but getting hold of a few 500aH batteries… not so hard.
For a bit of fun reading.
http://www.ieee-pes.org/presentations/gm2014/2756.pdf
http://www2.schneider-electric.com/...ve-catalogue/lvped2080006en/pdfs/page_019.pdf
halleyscomet
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Fascinating. The very photos you posted prove you were lying about the tungsten rods being vaporized. There has been extensive discussion about what actually happened to those rods. There's also been extensive discussion about conventional power sources that would be able to vaporize them had they been vaporized, which they were not. You are piling lie upon lie upon lie. This is not a live presentation where you can gaslight people by lying about what was just said. This is a discussion forum where people are paying attention to your words, analyzing them, and going back to reference what you said before. The forum doesn't even let you edit your own posts after a certain amount of time.
And yes, I'm accusing you of lying as opposed to being "wrong" or "misled" because of the way you completely dismiss all the valid criticism that's been raised in the last few pages. Smug dismissal of evidence that blasts your lies to atoms won't help you here.
aleCcowaN
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michaelsuede has left no doubts he's invested in this hydrino low grade scam. Invested, full meaning. He stutters some isolated replies and links some circus videos now and then just to sustain the illusion he's a counterpart in this thread.
Squeegee Beckenheim
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The whole idea of needing "a commercial power source" is a red herring anyway. Where are these "experiments" taking place? In a building either designed for experimentation or in a warehouse-type environment. That means that there almost certainly is 32/64A power already on-site, and 125A mains isn't exactly unusual - and could easily be installed for some of that $100m.
So the idea that he'd need batteries or a generator is misdirection in the first place.
So the idea that he'd need batteries or a generator is misdirection in the first place.
(my bold)
Sure, it's only the 5th, and of February too, but it may be interesting to quote ms. Perhaps every ten days or so?
bruto
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Not to worry, there is a "might" in there, and the mighty might swallows nevers for snacks.
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