“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

acbytesla said:
I'm all in favor of freedom of speech but there is something wrong when money and power overwhelms minority opinions. Trump's brownshirts are trying to limit opposition of their racist ideology and are upset that groups without power are doing everything they can not to be destroyed. Many of these people are fighting because their very survival is at stake.
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I am pretty sure that the "protesters" at UC Berkley were not Trump supporters at all....

And money and power had nothing to do with it....

Your over the top hyperbole does not really end up making a cogent point at all.
 
The Big Dog said:
what a terrible analogy...

This was a public space. while it appears that certain Jar jar protesters think that they "own" the space, that is not how it works.

The gun came out after the lone individual was assaulted by the Jar jar protester who came bounding across the public space at him.
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Yet more indication that his worldview basically boils down to 'might makes right.' Although on the other hand, if him or one of his buddies tries to 'might makes right' someone and finds out they are dangerously outmatched and get beat down or shot, it's totally unfair.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And you appear to be mistaking a few smashed windows for 'an actual shooting war'.
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Oh, now you are worried about going out of your comfort zone? Pretty sure you said this a few posts back:

TragicMonkey said:
If he wants to run crying to Mommy because people are tired of his crap and didn't confine their disapproval within bounds he's comfortable in, too bad.
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So, your comfort zone is riots and arson but not shooting? What if someone takes it to that next level and then in answer to your complaints (or those of your next of kin) says "too bad".

Ditch the violence and the justifications for violence.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Who gives a rip? We're supposed to be angels of virtue while the minority alt-right takes over the government and drags it toward the drain or WWIII, it's unclear which at this point.

And you start a thread whining about some protestors who have had enough! Color me unconcerned.
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No, but behaving like the Morons in Berkeley did is just helping Trump.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Intolerance isn't the same as actively hurting them. Quite clearly, the liberals in this thread think that making a speech that some minorities consider offensive is an example of intolerance. Sometimes, intolerance can help. If you're intolerant of bad behavior, or of identity politics, I think that's a good thing.


Well, mine is logically consistent. That will naturally be incompatible with a value system which is logically inconsistent.
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Then we agree.
 
Giz said:
Oh, now you are worried about going out of your comfort zone? Pretty sure you said this a few posts back:



So, your comfort zone is riots and arson but not shooting? What if someone takes it to that next level and then in answer to your complaints (or those of your next of kin) says "too bad".

Ditch the violence and the justifications for violence.
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I didn't say I was opposed to violence. I was merely pointing out that what occurred at Berkeley wasn't a 'shooting' civil war. You seem to be unable to distinguish between levels of action, equating a broken window with full-scale war. There are many levels between those two things, and they are each appropriate in different circumstances.

And I will certainly not 'ditch' violence just because you order me to. If I'm attacked I will defend myself. If someone invades I will fight back. Some wars are justified. Nonviolence is not the correct response in every circumstance.
 
Besides, it's The People's Republic of Berkeley, for Heaven's Sake. Over the top protests are a popular sport there...second only to UCB football.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Intolerance isn't the same as actively hurting them.
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I said it leads to it. If you are intolerant towards, say, blacks, you're not going to allow them to rent an appartment in your building, for instance. Where do they go then, if few people will let them rent? Does that not harm them?

Quite clearly, the liberals in this thread think that making a speech that some minorities consider offensive is an example of intolerance. Sometimes, intolerance can help. If you're intolerant of bad behavior, or of identity politics, I think that's a good thing.
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Stop moving the goalposts. The post you responded to was about intolerance OF RACE. I even quoted it back to you.

Well, mine is logically consistent. That will naturally be incompatible with a value system which is logically inconsistent.
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Ignoring the hubris of that statement, please state what is inconsistent in my value system. Bear in mind that two consistent systems can be at odds. That sounds like you're now playing a rhetorical game against the other "side", rather than having a discussion.

Even if all those racists are doing is stripping majorities of their unearned "privileges?"
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I will not allow you to change the definition of "racism" to play gotcha with me. I answered your question as written.
 
Here, in Northern California, it's a case of "Hey, it's Berkley.What Can You Expect?".
 
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