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President Trump: Part II

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Stacko said:
The support comes more for pleasing evangelical Christian Zionists than caring about the fate of the Jews.
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Which why so many Israelis are very cautious about the Fundy Christian support for Israel.
Thre is also the fact that there are many literal interpretations of the Book of Revealation then the pretrib one,and if one of those becomes popular, the Fundy support for Israel could vanish.
 
Marcus said:
I'm sure People in the Middle won't do.

How about People Who are Disgusted by Both Candidates Offered This Cycle.
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From my POV, those people either had no clue just how mentally disturbed Trump actually was (which is why I'm asking people if they still hold that belief), or, they bought a completely false narrative about Clinton, or both.

Even if a voter knew Clinton was a typical politician, which she was, a voter had to have totally missed all the warning signs about Trump to have not voted for Clinton anyway.

I get it people who believe the false Clinton narrative are convinced they have not been hoodwinked. It's too late to debate that now. But at some point many of those same people are going to see what a mentally ill POTUS can really do.


On that note, Chris Matthews tonight called one on his panel about Trump's mental problems. Matthews brought up the partisan psychiatric accusations against Goldwater and asked the person to name a liberal politician with a mental illness. She answered, there is no one like Trump.

The panelist didn't counter with the right question: How many other politicians have you seen who were obsessed with their inaugural crowd size and the fact they didn't win the popular vote?
 
Stacko said:
In an odd coincide combining Trump's two major failures of the day, this twitter account has been tweeting out the names of the refugees on the MS St. Louis manifest turned away by the US in 1939. Time is a flat circle it seems.
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ANd the people most against letting the St Louis refugees land were members of the America First Organization. History does have it's ironies.
 
Marcus said:
It was a close election, so it could be that the "deplorables" comment was enough to put him over the edge. I'm sure by that evening she already knew she made a mistake, no one can accuse her of being dumb.
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Typical Trump tactic: it could be true, I heard it was true, you can't prove it is not true.

That's not how it works. If you are going to assert the deplorables statement had any effect, you need to cite some evidence.

I will say it did have one effect, but that same effect would have happened using some other comment anyway, it was used as a sound bite and used declaring that faux outrage the GOP uses all the time in their campaign tactics.

I don't think the Democrats to this day have a rapid response to those faux outrage tactics that the Republicans use in every election.
 
Why is there a long, drawn out discussion about what Hillary Clinton did/didn't mean, in a thread regarding President Trump? I would think there are better places to discuss that sidebar, no?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
From my POV, those people either had no clue just how mentally disturbed Trump actually was (which is why I'm asking people if they still hold that belief), or, they bought a completely false narrative about Clinton, or both.

Even if a voter knew Clinton was a typical politician, which she was, a voter had to have totally missed all the warning signs about Trump to have not voted for Clinton anyway.

I get it people who believe the false Clinton narrative are convinced they have not been hoodwinked. It's too late to debate that now. But at some point many of those same people are going to see what a mentally ill POTUS can really do.


On that note, Chris Matthews tonight called one on his panel about Trump's mental problems. Matthews brought up the partisan psychiatric accusations against Goldwater and asked the person to name a liberal politician with a mental illness. She answered, there is no one like Trump.

The panelist didn't counter with the right question: How many other politicians have you seen who were obsessed with their inaugural crowd size and the fact they didn't win the popular vote?
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The biggest mistake you are making is assuming anyone who wasn't in Hillary's camp bought into a false narrative. There are quite few of us who aren't dim, uninformed , Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh sycophants who don't like her and don't trust her.

As for Trump, I don't believe he is mentally ill or stupid. I would describe him as narcissistic, certainly uninformed when it comes to government, and untrustworthy.
 
Stacko said:
The support comes more for pleasing evangelical Christian Zionists than caring about the fate of the Jews.
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Well, yeahbut, the idea still being that this wasn't the Alfred Smith charity, where custom dictates a certain convivial behavior toward 'the other guy' and Trump went all off-script on things. This is a group that he wants to show support for, even if for utterly self-serving reasons, and he still stuck his foot in it.

Edit to add : or, as more like, some hired ill-experienced minion stuck his/her foot in it and will be taking the bullet within 48 hours.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Typical Trump tactic: it could be true, I heard it was true, you can't prove it is not true.

That's not how it works. If you are going to assert the deplorables statement had any effect, you need to cite some evidence.

I will say it did have one effect, but that same effect would have happened using some other comment anyway, it was used as a sound bite and used declaring that faux outrage the GOP uses all the time in their campaign tactics.

I don't think the Democrats to this day have a rapid response to those faux outrage tactics that the Republicans use in every election.
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I'm not asserting it, I'm saying it could have had an effect. You are admitting as much when you say it was used as a sound bite to elicit faux outrage, that's an effect. I don't think there is any way to prove that this comment made the difference in the election. What I do know is that Hillary said that this comment was a mistake, she wasn't wrong.
 
NoahFence said:
Apparently Saudi Arabia isn't a place where terrorists chine from in Trump's reality.
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Stacko said:
Or UAE, Egypt and Lebanon. None of the countries that the 9/11 hijackers came from are on the banned list.
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Oddly enough, according to Bloomberg, "[h]is proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals."

What a remarkable coincidence.
 
You begin your post with an insult ....
Emily's Cat said:
That's so incredibly sophomoric and lacking in reason that I don't even know where to begin.
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....then engage in some Olympic-quality hypocrisy....
Emily's Cat said:
Failure to call people names isn't necessarily going to win them to your side... but actually calling them names and insulting them is very likely to drive them away.
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... and end with another insult.
Emily's Cat said:
How can this be so hard for you guys to understand?
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Run for president - you'll surely have my vote. :rolleyes:

ETA: Then, in a follow-up post you call yourself a bully ....
Emily's Cat said:
And anyone who uses insults, mockery, and derision as a debate tactic is a bully.
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... .... and end with a couple of questions ...
Emily's Cat said:
FFS, look at all the spite and hurt feelings being tossed around on ISF lately. Which "side" is doing all the tossing? How many people has it won over?
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...that, you'll be delighted to learn, I have answers for:
1) Neither side is doing "all" the tossing. To paraphrase you: "How can this be so hard for you guys to understand?
2) None. To paraphrase you: "How many people has it you won over?"
 
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