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President Trump: Part II

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phiwum said:
Sure, damn shame that. And I regret that so many voted for him, and I honestly believe they made a dreadful decision.
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"Dreadful" isn't the half of it. But the DNC shares the blame for nominating someone who was under active FBI investigation. It doesn't matter how unjust you think Hillary's treatment was; the fact is that at any time during the campaign -- from the convention until election day -- the FBI or Justice Dept. could have announced that she was being indicted. Then what? Hillary should have announced after the 2014 election -- catastrophic for the Democrats -- that she would not run, and given other candidates time to emerge.
 
Bob001 said:
"Dreadful" isn't the half of it. But the DNC shares the blame for nominating someone who was under active FBI investigation.
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Bullcrap!

You can't put the blame for ignorant voters on Clinton.

She had the best qualifications for POTUS as almost anyone else who has ever run for the office. The FBI investigation was total bupkis wasn't it?

As opposed to Trump's many investigations over his fraudulent business practices including scamming people to simply not paying contractors.

What was dreadful was how little the media paid to Trump's legal troubles and his outrageous lying which is not a surprise to anyone who had been paying attention, and how much time was spent on Clinton's non-crime.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Bullcrap!
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What was dreadful was how little the media paid to Trump's legal troubles and his outrageous lying which is not a surprise to anyone who had been paying attention, and how much time was spent on Clinton's non-crime.
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Like I said, no matter how unfairly you think she was treated, the fact is that at the time she was nominated she was under FBI investigation for potential federal crimes. She ran for President in 2008 and lost to an unknown black guy named Hussein, a big clue that she was not America's sweetheart. She carries a lot of baggage, and the DNC kept other potential candidates out of the race.

And as despicable as Trump is, all of his shady business was as a private party entering into contracts with other willing private parties. The allegation against Clinton -- again, fair or not -- was about her alleged conduct in office.
 
Trump thinks we need to talk to Bill Gates to 'close up' parts of the internet...because ISIS.

Let me get some popcorn before his defenders spin that one. I really want to see that.
 
Bob001 said:
Like I said, no matter how unfairly you think she was treated, the fact is that at the time she was nominated she was under FBI investigation for potential federal crimes. She ran for President in 2008 and lost to an unknown black guy named Hussein, a big clue that she was not America's sweetheart. She carries a lot of baggage, and the DNC kept other potential candidates out of the race.

And as despicable as Trump is, all of his shady business was as a private party entering into contracts with other willing private parties. The allegation against Clinton -- again, fair or not -- was about her alleged conduct in office.
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You can say it all you want, and I'll call you on it all I want. The investigation was as bogus as the 13 or 14 Benghazi hearings. There's a reason Comey said no prosecutor would ever prosecute such a case.
 
Then there is this kind of Trumpcon: President Trump orders American steel for oil pipelines. Will that help Ohio?
Yes and no. Consider pledges made earlier for steel used in the Keystone XL pipeline. The builder, TransCanada Corp., said in 2012 that half of the pipe for the United States portions, or 332,800 tons, would come from a company in Arkansas, and the rest would come from Canada, Italy and India.

But TransCanada added a caveat, whose key words we'll put in italics: "It is important to understand pipeline companies do not purchase raw steel. Rather, we purchase sophisticated manufactured products such as high strength steel pipe and pumps that are fabricated from steel and other metals."

The raw steel for the pipe, in other words, could have been melted and poured -- a labor- and financially intensive process -- anywhere in the world before being shipped to the United States for fabrication. That happens a lot, according to authorities on manufacturing. Nevertheless, the finished pipe still would have counted toward that old 50 percent pledge by TransCanada.
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Sanders calls out "a delusional President," with a bullhorn.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) blasted President Trump on Thursday, calling the commander in chief "delusional."

"I don't have to tell anybody here that our country today faces enormous problems," he said outside of a Senate Democratic retreat in West Virginia. "We have a delusional president, who is way out of touch with the needs of the people of West Virginia and working people all over this country."
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The news media and others like Cory Booker are reluctant to use the delusional word even though they are readily using the word 'lie' now.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm pretty sure that your definition of a leftist is "anyone who disagrees with logger about anything".
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I really don't doubt that is what you think.
Other than that, in my personal opinion, your view of liberals is at least as caricatured of most of the descriptions of conservatives that are bandied about on ISF.
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And that caricature of conservatives would be?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I pay no attention to people whose discussions never move forward.

Getting back to my post, were you dodging or just don't feel like addressing the specifics I asked about?

Perhaps you might answer my questions, assuming the people who elected Trump were for the most part, on right side of the aisle:

So, did Trump voters know what they were electing and not care?
Did they fool themselves and believe he was someone other than himself?
Did they miss the blatant personality disorder that was on full display for more than a year leading up to the election?
Would you say that was denial and wishful thinking?

Do you think the alt-right that dominates the GOP at the moment are so reasonable?
Have you ever read Breitbart's site?
Read or listened to Ann Coulter or her up and coming protege, Milo Yiannopoulos?
How about Rush Limbaugh?
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When did you stop beating your wife?

There are so many embedded presumptions in your questions that there's nothing there to answer. I'm not going to play your game.
 
Emily's Cat said:
When did you stop beating your wife?

There are so many embedded presumptions in your questions that there's nothing there to answer. I'm not going to play your game.
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I'll take that as a dodge. Duly noted.

You are, however, more than welcome to post your versions of what people were thinking when they elected Trump.
 
Emily's Cat said:
One would hope that a fair number of republicans would do exactly that if they believed that he was unethical and expected to behave in ways that jeopardize national security and the well-being of the citizens of the country.
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Because republicans have done this? Why would republicans quit a job that is non-partisan? You don't think republicans thought Obama was going to jeopardize national security?

This is SOP from the hyper partisan left. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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