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President Trump: Part II

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uke2se said:
Who are reasonable on the right? Names please.
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:rolleyes: You want names of individual citizens? Come on, now.

Fine, then. Just don't complain when they don't want to listen to you.

Craig B said:
You'd better phone up Theresa May. According to the BBC

Theresa May has been "unequivocal" in her position on the use of torture, Downing Street has told lobby journalists. The spokesman insisted that the UK does not condone torture or inhumane treatment in any circumstances.

He made the comments after US President Donald Trump suggested that the use of torture against terrorists is under consideration.​
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What in the blue hell does this have to do with the post you quoted?
 
Stacko said:
David Frum, George Will and Tom Nichols. There's a concerning dearth in leadership positions though.
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Yup. If only the reasonable right held any kind of leadership position, it would be so much easier to negotiate a compromise with the reasonable right.
 
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Argumemnon said:
:rolleyes: You want names of individual citizens? Come on, now.

Fine, then. Just don't complain when they don't want to listen to you.
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Politicians will do nicely. Preferrably politicians with any sort of influence in the GOP.
 
uke2se said:
Politicians will do nicely. Preferrably politicians with any sort of influence in the GOP.
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Why the narrow requirements? I'm talking about people in general. You're moving the goalposts in order to avoid admitting that there are plenty of reasonable people on the other side, and plenty of unreasonable ones on your side as well.
 
Argumemnon said:
Why the narrow requirements? I'm talking about people in general. You're moving the goalposts in order to avoid admitting that there are plenty of reasonable people on the other side, and plenty of unreasonable ones on your side as well.
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No, my goalposts are firmly where I originally left them. We're talking about compromising in politics. A compromise is negotiated by people with some kind of influence, and in politics, this means elected politicians.

But I'd be happy to concede that there are a few right-leaning moderates in the US, as long as you concede that none of them are in leadership positions in politics.
 
uke2se said:
No, my goalposts are firmly where I originally left them. We're talking about compromising in politics.
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Absolutely not. This part of the conversation started when Giz said this:

Giz said:
I don't think that's accurate. I think you are constantly told that belittling and insulting them is not the best way to win the next election.

Oh look, there you go again.
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He was talking about voters, not politicians.
 
Argumemnon said:
Absolutely not. This part of the conversation started when Giz said this:



He was talking about voters, not politicians.
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Then I misunderstood.

I'm not sure what there is to compromise about with voters though.
 
uke2se said:
Then I misunderstood.

I'm not sure what there is to compromise about with voters though.
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The original point was that calling them all idiots, racists or deplorables or whatnot will not lead to useful conversation or understanding.

Craig B said:
There are points where even the Right won't compromise with Trump.
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See above. We're talking about voters, not Trump or his cabinet of Sith lords and Skekses.
 
Argumemnon said:
The original point was that calling them all idiots, racists or deplorables or whatnot will not lead to useful conversation or understanding.
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We're not calling all of them that. We're Calling the racists racists, the deplorables deplorable and the whatnots whatnot.
 
Just watching his tour of the Whitehouse.
Why is his tie so huge? Who is his tailor? Primark?

He's still banging on about the crowd at the inauguration!
 
uke2se said:
We're not calling all of them that. We're Calling the racists racists, the deplorables deplorable and the whatnots whatnot.
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Maybe not from you, but there's been plenty of blanket generalisations against the right, or the left, from several posters on this forum since the last elections began. Logger and Tony Stark come to mind.
 
Argumemnon said:
Maybe not from you, but there's been plenty of blanket generalisations against the right, or the left, from several posters on this forum since the last elections began. Logger and Tony Stark come to mind.
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Maybe. I can't see half of those posts.

Expanding the scope from this forum, I'd say the generalisations aren't that inclusive.
 
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