President Trump: Part II

[Marcus]

The previous thread was getting slow, unresponsive and generating duplicates, so I have made a shiny new thread for you. As usual, the split point is arbitrary and participants are free to copy & paste from the previous thread.

Posted By: Agatha

You keep implying Obama issued fewer EOs only in comparison to recent presidents or since WW2. But the list that was linked shows he issued the fewest of any president for the past 100+ years. I am a registered Democrat and the context here is, Obama has repeatedly been accused of using EOs in a way few presidents have. Almost to the point where it became dictatorial. That Obama was trying to usurp the powers of Congress through the use of EOs. If that was true I would be greatly concerned and very disappointed in Barack Obama. Only it's not true yet some people -- and I don't mean you -- go on making that accusation anyway.

I think it needs to be refuted and clearly refuted. Not in comparison only with recent presidents or since WWII but since the late 19th century. Many fewer than G.W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft. Fewer than any two term president since Ulysses Grant, 1869-1877. That's 140 years and I don't think that can be considered recent.

I never said anything about "recent" , that was The Don. All I said was Obama is in the middle of the pack historically. It wasn't intended as an insult.

At least you said "I don't mean you" because I never made the accusation you're referring to.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Yes, we do intentionally weaken the equality of votes to promote Federalism.
This is usually a good thing, but we must not kid ourselves about the fact that we are sacrificing democracy for unity.

I'll counter and say, we must not kid ourselves that we sacrifice democracy in order to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

I happen to think that's a good thing.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Tell that to the sycophants that railed against Hillary.

I'm telling that to everyone about everything, irrespective of their political affiliation or preference.

 

[Meadmaker]

Weren't there suits filed against Obama with the argument that he wasn't a US citizen?

Lots were filed. Most (maybe all?) were dismissed for lack of standing.

I haven't read this entire Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I'll counter and say, we must not kid ourselves that we sacrifice democracy in order to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

I happen to think that's a good thing.

That's the job of other constitutional mechanisms, such as Bill of Rights and Supreme Court. Also, 2/3 majorities for major decisions.

Codifying that some people's vote is more important than other's is problematic.

 

[Emily's Cat]

That's the job of other constitutional mechanisms, such as Bill of Rights and Supreme Court. Also, 2/3 majorities for major decisions.

Codifying that some people's vote is more important than other's is problematic.

That's not what it's doing. It's codifying that a governing entity (a state) has a voice in addition to the people. Each person's vote has the same value as any other, but the state itself has a vote as well.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That's not what it's doing. It's codifying that a governing entity (a state) has a voice in addition to the people. Each person's vote has the same value as any other, but the state itself has a vote as well.

interesting way to look at it...

 

[Aber]

Live press conference:

Trump believes that there was voter fraud, based on studies he has seen.

What studies?

Studies he has seen.

And repeat...

 

[The Great Zaganza]

"Extraordinary Claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

And all of Trump's claims are extraordinary.
It is not enough for him to make a counter-claim.

 

[Belz...]

"Extraordinary Claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

"Extraordinary claims require alternative facts." - Donald Trump

 

[Bob001]

Live press conference:

Trump believes that there was voter fraud, based on studies he has seen.

What studies?

Studies he has seen.

And repeat...

What's really interesting is that the new press secretary kept saying "That's what the President believes" when he was asked directly "Do YOU believe it?" and "Where's the evidence?" Even the people working for him must secretly know he's crazy.

And he doesn't like to be told he's wrong, either.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-0902pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.36a82897773c

 

[The Great Zaganza]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/no-white-house-leaks-like-this-until-now

The press is in luck: Elephant Trump in the Porcelain House and plenty of rivalries amongst Trump insiders guarantee that there will always be someone who thinks they can gain from leaking information.

 

[Garrison]

And it seems even Republicans are getting fed up with the antics:

Trump told to 'knock this off' on immigrant vote fraud claim

 

[Spindrift]

And it seems even Republicans are getting fed up with the antics:

Trump told to 'knock this off' on immigrant vote fraud claim

That's going to go over well with the Donald.

 

[Armitage72]

That's going to go over well with the Donald.

Before the Primaries, I remember people like Sean Hannity claiming that neither side actually wants to get rid of illegal immigrants. The Democrats want to make them legal to buy their votes, and the Establishment Republicans want them as cheap labor. Only a "True Republican" like Trump would have the courage to properly deal with them. This may convince him of that, and that everyone is plotting against him on the issue. They don't want him talking about the illegal immigrants that are eroding the fabric of our great nation because they don't want him to do anything about them.

 

[newyorkguy]

The real work begins. This was reported by the Associated Press this afternoon:

12:45 p.m.

The Trump administration has instituted a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding any new contracts or grants. Emails sent to EPA staff since President Donald Trump's inauguration on Friday and reviewed by The Associated Press detailed the specific prohibitions banning press releases, blog updates or posts to the agency's social media accounts. The Trump administration has also ordered a "temporary suspension" of all new business activities at the department, including issuing task orders or work assignments to EPA contractors. The orders are expected to have a significant and immediate impact on EPA activities nationwide.

The EPA did not respond to phone calls and emails requesting comment Monday or Tuesday. AP link

 

[Lennart Hyland]

Live press conference:

Trump believes that there was voter fraud, based on studies he has seen.

What studies?

Studies he has seen.

And repeat...

Based on some study made in 2008...

 

[Civet]

That's going to go over well with the Donald.

He broke Chris Christie. He broke Ted Cruz. I'm not putting my money on Sen. Graham.

 

[newyorkguy]

Spicer, I believe today, cited "evidence" for Trump's massive voter fraud claim by referencing a 2008 poll in which respondents "thought" voter registration needs to be updated.

Spicer’s only attempt to support Trump’s assertion was to point to a 2008 Pew Research survey that showed a need to update voter registration systems. news link

 

[Elagabalus]

"Extraordinary claims require alternative facts." - Donald Trump

"Extraordinary claims require alternative facts." - Carl Sagan once said to Donald Trump, although, Donald Trump can't remember where and when this discussion took place. Probably some shindig in NY ... but, yeah, Carl Sagan, yuge, yuge fan ...