New telepathy test, the sequel.

Michel H said:
Can you give me one reason why I should believe you?
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Sure. Nobody has made this bizarre claim but you. There is no evidence for this bizarre claim. Everyone says they do not hear a damn thing you think and so forth and they are correct.

Nobody hears your thoughts. That concept is a delusion in your head, there is no way to sugar coat it.
 
Michel H said:
Can you give me one reason why I should believe you?
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<3 It's gonna be a fun 2017

PS: Stop sending me thoughts about John Sigismund, Duke of Prussia

PPS: That statement can and will be equivocated to following numbers, countries and transport: 6,10,44,99,341, -11, 93,282, Canada, Russia, Peru, Brazil, Guam, Nepal, Narnia , Cars, Taxis, Buses and bicycles built for two.
 
abaddon said:
Yes. This is clear. Whatever is posted will somehow be twisted to support the protagonist. It is quite eye-watering the level of contortion which must be deployed to do so.

Poe or loon? I really cannot say. Were someone so deep into delusion I could see it. Were someone so deep into creating a complex Poe I could see that too.

I have a general rule. Assume that whatever someone posts is by default true and they should be held to it. Feet to the flames.
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Yeah, I know. Repetitive, self evident and a bit self righteous and yet people (including myself) KEEP DOING IT. It does Michel H no favours and frankly having my post twisted to support his delusion made me feel physically sick.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Yes, here's one: Nobody has ever demonstrated that any form of telepathy exists. Not for want of trying, either. It just has a 100% track record of turning out to be a delusion.
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I suggest you read this text:
As we look back, however, we find that a family of experiments has been performed whose aim ... was to define the phenomena of indirect [150] (extrasensory) perception. The experiments reported, especially those performed by Manfred von Ardenne (13) of Germany and F. Cazzamalli (3, 4, 5) of Italy, show that a new form of data-transfer agency in the human brain had come under ... investigation. The experiments of J.B. Rhine (10), Duke University, which dealt with the telepathic transmission of messages between two persons, may also be considered. The validity of these and related experiments was given a new boost at the 1965 academic symposium on extrasensory perception (12). Held under the sponsorship of the School of Medicine, University of California at Los Angeles, the gathering left little doubt that telepathy "is." The quality and quantity of experimental data brought forth by national and international research groups left little ground for further doubt. (In one case, a mathematical chance element of 1034 was reported.)
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(published in AV Comm. Rev. (Vol. XV, No. 2, Summer 1967, pp. 145-152).
Link: https://borderlandsciences.org/project/bio-icomm/lg.lawrence/Biophysical_AV_Data_Transfer.html )
or this one:
VIDEOTAPED EXPERIMENTS ON TELEPHONE TELEPATHY
Bv Rupert SHELDRAKE AND Pamela SMART
ABSTRACT: The authors tested whether participants (N = 4) could tell who was calling before answering the telephone. In each trial, participants had 4 potential callers, one of whom was selected at random by the experimenter. Participants were filmed on time-coded videotape throughout the experimental period. When the telephone began ringing, the participants said to the camera whom they thought their caller was and, in many cases, also how confident they felt in their guesses. The callers were usually several miles away, and in some cases thousands of miles away. By guessing at random, there was a 25% chance of success. In a total of 271 trials, there were 122 (45%) correct guesses (p = 1 x 10-12). The 95% confidence limits of this success rate were from 39% to 51%. In most trials, some of the callers were familiar to the participants and others were unfamiliar. With familiar callers there was a success rate of 61% (n=100; p=10-13). With unfamiliar callers the success rate of 20% was not significantly different from chance. When they said they were confident about their guesses, participants were indeed more successful than when they were not confident.
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(published in 2003 in the Journal of Parapsychology, link: http://www.sheldrake.org/files/pdfs/papers/JP_Vol67.pdf )
 
Some interesting recent comments in my telepathy tests

A few days ago, I started a new ESP test on Yahoo Answers: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170115225056AAi8xhG

After giving the correct answer, member YourTherapist commented:
I knew I was right
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On the skeptiko forum, india7 said, after the test:
I chose 2 immediately, shame it's too late.
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("2" was the correct answer; link: http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...st-which-number-did-i-write.3553/#post-105473 )

On skepticforum.com, Angel said, after a test whose correct answer was "4":
That's funny.
I was thinking 4 but didn't trust the source
as he cries wolf too often. ...
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(link: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=550730#p550730 )
Poodle said:
I thought 4 all the time. I just didn't tell anyone,
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(link: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=550773#p550773 )

Finally, on Spiritual Forums, Beginnermind said, after a test whose answer was "automobile":
I thought automobile but I was not sure, then I looked at the answer and it was.... Maybe just luck... Don't know...
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(link: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1530072&postcount=6 )
 
Michel H said:
A few days ago, I started a new ESP test on Yahoo Answers: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170115225056AAi8xhG

After giving the correct answer, member YourTherapist commented:


On the skeptiko forum, india7 said, after the test:

("2" was the correct answer; link: http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...st-which-number-did-i-write.3553/#post-105473 )

On skepticforum.com, Angel said, after a test whose correct answer was "4":

(link: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=550730#p550730 )
Poodle said:

(link: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=550773#p550773 )

Finally, on Spiritual Forums, Beginnermind said, after a test whose answer was "automobile":

(link: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1530072&postcount=6 )
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Okay- your interpretation is that you do indeed have some form of telepathic powers. I strongly disagree, but that is not my point. Instead I want to know if your latest analysis means that you are done with the test threads. Unfortunately I am certain of the opposite- that you will soon return with essentially the same "test." And again after that. And again after that. Will the results of the most current test change how you approach your life? Will the results of the future tests do so?

What I hope for is however you interpret the results of your tests that they ultimately give you greater peace of mind. What concerns me is that these tests don't appear to do so, but instead this need to test your abilities has you in an endless loop. Please re-think carefully if these tests are helping you or hurting you and if there really is a reason to continue in this way.
 
Sorry, you cannot accept any responses AFTER you have revealed your answer.

Michel H said:
A few days ago, I started a new ESP test on Yahoo Answers: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170115225056AAi8xhG

After giving the correct answer, member YourTherapist commented:
I knew I was right
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1 guess, 1 hit. Hardly impressive.

Michel H said:
On the skeptiko forum, india7 said, after the test:
I chose 2 immediately, shame it's too late.
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("2" was the correct answer; link: http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...st-which-number-did-i-write.3553/#post-105473 )
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1 guess no hits. India7 responded a month after you had revealed your answer. Does not count as a hit.

Michel H said:
On skepticforum.com, Angel said, after a test whose correct answer was "4":
That's funny.
I was thinking 4 but didn't trust the source
as he cries wolf too often. ...
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(link: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=550730#p550730 )
Poodle said:
I thought 4 all the time. I just didn't tell anyone,
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(link: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=550773#p550773 )
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4 guesses and no hits. Furthermore, user poodle made it clear that he was being sarcastic, he told you so in his very next post and user Angel is a flat out wingnut. On top of that, both responses were fully two and a half months after you revealed your answer.

Michel H said:
Finally, on Spiritual Forums, Beginnermind said, after a test whose answer was "automobile":
I thought automobile but I was not sure, then I looked at the answer and it was.... Maybe just luck... Don't know...
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(link: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1530072&postcount=6 )
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One guess, no hits.

User beginnermind's post was a month after you revealed your answer.

In each case there were four available answers. You scored 7 guesses and 1 hit.

Conclusion: You are not telepathic in any way.
 
Giordano said:
Okay- your interpretation is that you do indeed have some form of telepathic powers. I strongly disagree, but that is not my point. Instead I want to know if your latest analysis means that you are done with the test threads. Unfortunately I am certain of the opposite- that you will soon return with essentially the same "test." And again after that. And again after that. Will the results of the most current test change how you approach your life? Will the results of the future tests do so?

What I hope for is however you interpret the results of your tests that they ultimately give you greater peace of mind. What concerns me is that these tests don't appear to do so, but instead this need to test your abilities has you in an endless loop. Please re-think carefully if these tests are helping you or hurting you and if there really is a reason to continue in this way.
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I accept the idea that it is possible to do too many telepathy tests, and I try not to do that (as you can see, I think, on this forum).
 
abaddon said:
Sorry, you cannot accept any responses AFTER you have revealed your answer.


1 guess, 1 hit. Hardly impressive.

1 guess no hits. India7 responded a month after you had revealed your answer. Does not count as a hit.

4 guesses and no hits. Furthermore, user poodle made it clear that he was being sarcastic, he told you so in his very next post and user Angel is a flat out wingnut. On top of that, both responses were fully two and a half months after you revealed your answer.

One guess, no hits.

User beginnermind's post was a month after you revealed your answer.

In each case there were four available answers. You scored 7 guesses and 1 hit.

Conclusion: You are not telepathic in any way.
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You seem to be commenting these results with a sledge hammer, once again, abaddon, rather than using a careful and refined method, taking psychological factors into account, which is necessary in this difficult area of telepathy research.

Did you carefully examine credibilities of various answers?
Did you objectively reflect about the tones of these answers or comments? I don't think so. Have you understood by now that it is possible to prove telepathy using a hit rate lower than chance? That surely does not seem obvious from your latest comment.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
:dl:

Because words fail me.

Dave
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I don't know what makes you laugh, Dave Rogers. Chance results mean a hit rate about equal to 25% in a four-alternative test. If you get many hit rates which are consistently lower than 25%, e.g. in ESP tests done on skeptical forums, then you have proven telepathy.
 
Michel H said:
You seem to be commenting these results with a sledge hammer, once again, abaddon, rather than using a careful and refined method, taking psychological factors into account, which is necessary in this difficult area of telepathy research.

Did you carefully examine credibilities of various answers?
Did you objectively reflect about the tones of these answers or comments? I don't think so. Have you understood by now that it is possible to prove telepathy using a hit rate lower than chance? That surely does not seem obvious from your latest comment.
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We have already been over your so-called "credibility test" and shown it to be nonsense ad infinitum. All it does is give yourself permission to cherry pick results you like and reject those you don't. Further, you even purloin other posts which contain other information/comments and with pretzel logic claim them to be hits also. You also take sarcastic comments and claim that they were actually sincere even though the poster flat out tells you it was sarcasm. You just did that with poodle's sarcastic answer.

What you have there is not a method, it is a symptom.
 
Michel H said:
I don't know what makes you laugh, Dave Rogers. Chance results mean a hit rate about equal to 25% in a four-alternative test. If you get many hit rates which are consistently lower than 25%, e.g. in ESP tests done on skeptical forums, then you have proven telepathy.
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People who choose to report their choice after you reveal the answer do not give you any useful indication of your hit rate.
 
abaddon said:
We have already been over your so-called "credibility test" and shown it to be nonsense ad infinitum. All it does is give yourself permission to cherry pick results you like and reject those you don't. Further, you even purloin other posts which contain other information/comments and with pretzel logic claim them to be hits also. You also take sarcastic comments and claim that they were actually sincere even though the poster flat out tells you it was sarcasm. You just did that with poodle's sarcastic answer.

What you have there is not a method, it is a symptom.
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Perhaps your error here is to (perhaps naively) believe that, because a poster says later a certain answer or comment is not serious or sincere, then this necessarily really means it is devoid of sincerity. Did you consider the possibility the poster might be sincere in the first post, and not genuine in the second one? (this is probably an example of the typical error: "I like that, so it must be true")
Ladewig said:
Hurray.

Congratulations on once again proving telepathy.


I won't complain about my low credibility rating. ...
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I would also like to remind you of kmortis' 2014 modbox:
Refrain from making armchair medical diagnoses.
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(link: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9962931#post9962931 )
 
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