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Brexit: Now What? Part II

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So let me get this straight, the post-Brexit path to prosperity involves:

  • Lowering corporation tax to attract international companies who will end up paying little or nothing to the UK exchequer
  • Leaving the EEA which at a stroke will make life so much harder for our exporters of manufactured goods....
  • .....and harder yet for the service industry which accounts for 80%+ of GDP and 200% of growth
  • At the same time tick off our international trading partners by being a tax haven

Nope, can't see how that could possibly fail :rolleyes:.

Of course for very, very rich people (who are over-represented in the parliamentary Conservative Party), happy days are here again but for the lumpen proletariat, it'll be significantly worse austerity and/or higher borrowing to go with the large-scale unemployment.
 
So let me get this straight, the post-Brexit path to prosperity involves:

  • Lowering corporation tax to attract international companies who will end up paying little or nothing to the UK exchequer
  • Leaving the EEA which at a stroke will make life so much harder for our exporters of manufactured goods....
  • .....and harder yet for the service industry which accounts for 80%+ of GDP and 200% of growth
  • At the same time tick off our international trading partners by being a tax haven

Nope, can't see how that could possibly fail :rolleyes:.

Of course for very, very rich people (who are over-represented in the parliamentary Conservative Party), happy days are here again but for the lumpen proletariat, it'll be significantly worse austerity and/or higher borrowing to go with the large-scale unemployment.

All the 'None Dom' Tories will be able to move back in to their mansions full time.
 
So let me get this straight, the post-Brexit path to prosperity involves:

  • Lowering corporation tax to attract international companies who will end up paying little or nothing to the UK exchequer
  • Leaving the EEA which at a stroke will make life so much harder for our exporters of manufactured goods....
  • .....and harder yet for the service industry which accounts for 80%+ of GDP and 200% of growth
  • At the same time tick off our international trading partners by being a tax haven

Nope, can't see how that could possibly fail :rolleyes:.

Of course for very, very rich people (who are over-represented in the parliamentary Conservative Party), happy days are here again but for the lumpen proletariat, it'll be significantly worse austerity and/or higher borrowing to go with the large-scale unemployment.
Jeez the way you explain it, it is almost like this wasn't made perfectly clear prior to the Brexit vote.
 
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Jeez the way you explain it, it is almost like this wasn't made perfectly clear prior to the Brexit vote.
So what, about that stuff? Hammond knows exactly what drives Brexit.
We are aware that the message from the referendum is that we must control our immigration policy.​
 
So let me get this straight, the post-Brexit path to prosperity involves:

  • Lowering corporation tax to attract international companies who will end up paying little or nothing to the UK exchequer
  • Leaving the EEA which at a stroke will make life so much harder for our exporters of manufactured goods....
  • .....and harder yet for the service industry which accounts for 80%+ of GDP and 200% of growth
  • At the same time tick off our international trading partners by being a tax haven

Nope, can't see how that could possibly fail :rolleyes:.

Of course for very, very rich people (who are over-represented in the parliamentary Conservative Party), happy days are here again but for the lumpen proletariat, it'll be significantly worse austerity and/or higher borrowing to go with the large-scale unemployment.

This one is unusually inane, it stands out even by Brexitard standards.

What actually may be the poorest thought-out plan since at least Pearl Harbor, the Tories actually intend to change economic model of UK, if EU doesn't accomodate them.

Pissing off all your main trading partners who also represent about half of the world economy (US will get on board soon enough), wage a trade war against them and change the economic model, all this during the times of heightened political tensions, several drawn-out proxy wars, a fragile worldwide economy, ethnic tensions between Muslims and others and at a time where one of the worlds' largest economies could endure a painful crash as well. What could possibly go right?

Theresa May promised a red, white and blue Brexit. Red for blood, white for a body sucked dry of blood and blue for the color of the lips of the proletariat perhaps?

The movie V for Vendetta could well become prophetic if Brexitards aren't stopped.

McHrozni
 
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This one is unusually inane, it stands out even by Brexitard standards.

What actually may be the poorest thought-out plan since at least Pearl Harbor, the Tories actually intend to change economic model of UK, if EU doesn't accomodate them.

Pissing off all your main trading partners who also represent about half of the world economy (US will get on board soon enough), wage a trade war against them and change the economic model, all this during the times of heightened political tensions, several drawn-out proxy wars, a fragile worldwide economy, ethnic tensions between Muslims and others and at a time where one of the worlds' largest economies could endure a painful crash as well. What could possibly go right?

Theresa May promised a red, white and blue Brexit. Red for blood, white for a body sucked dry of blood and blue for the color of the lips of the proletariat perhaps?

The movie V for Vendetta could well become prophetic if Brexitards aren't stopped.

McHrozni
So how do you stop them?
 
So how do you stop them?

There is no scenario with 100% chance for success, but repeated court challenges plus recruiting Tory MPs to oppose the self-destructive measures seem to be the best bets.

What is clear is that these idiots must be stopped, for all our sakes.

McHrozni
 
So how do you stop them?

Force May to submit her plans to parliamentary scrutiny, given them the final say on any deal and the power to reject if it falls short of the minimum objectives the parliamentary Brexit committee has already laid out.
 
Force May to submit her plans to parliamentary scrutiny, given them the final say on any deal and the power to reject if it falls short of the minimum objectives the parliamentary Brexit committee has already laid out.
The deal should be rejected if it does not deliver what was promised to the voters.

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So let me get this straight, the post-Brexit path to prosperity involves:

  • Lowering corporation tax to attract international companies who will end up paying little or nothing to the UK exchequer
  • Leaving the EEA which at a stroke will make life so much harder for our exporters of manufactured goods....
  • .....and harder yet for the service industry which accounts for 80%+ of GDP and 200% of growth
  • At the same time tick off our international trading partners by being a tax haven

Nope, can't see how that could possibly fail :rolleyes:.

Of course for very, very rich people (who are over-represented in the parliamentary Conservative Party), happy days are here again ...
A successful conclusion to the whole exercise then.

... but for the lumpen proletariat, it'll be significantly worse austerity and/or higher borrowing to go with the large-scale unemployment.
Your point being?
 
Well Trump's stuck his oar in and insisted that the UK is doing great after the Brexit vote:

The UK is "doing great" following its vote to leave the EU, US President-elect Donald Trump has said.

He's also apparently in charge of any trade negotiations because he's in a position to promise:

Mr Trump promised a quick trade deal between the US and the UK after he takes office on Friday.

...and...

Speaking about a potential US-UK trade deal, he said: "We're gonna work very hard to get it done quickly and done properly. Good for both sides."

Given that he has been vocal in stating that all future trade deals must be heavily weighted in the U.S. favour, I don't believe it.

He's also a bit confused about the difference between immigrants and refugees.

Mr Trump added: "Countries want their own identity and the UK wanted its own identity, but I do think if they hadn't been forced to take in all of the refugees than you wouldn't have a Brexit."

My view is that amid all the racism and xenophobia that underpinned the Leave campaign, refugees weren't a bug issue. "Pakis and Darkies" for sure - but then again the EU had little or nothing to do with that, (the fear of) Eastern Europeans, absolutely - but they weren't refugees.

IIRC the UK was notable for not pulling its weight refugee-wise :mad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38631832
 
I'm convinved that May is a dogmatic out-out-outer and will ensure that Brexit is as painful as possible to trigger the "Dunkirk spirit" and make herself the saviour of England

I hope you're wrong, or if you're right, that she is stopped before her plan gets anywhere. There are plentiful options, I'm sure a good deal of Tory MPs are less than enthusiastic about committing suicide for the sake of their PM getting a place in history. If not, the courts could well stop the procedure - a recent lawsuit alleged that EEA membership is a separate issue and must be decided separately. Time is not on Theresa's side, she has about three years until the next election, and Brexit procedure will take at least half of that.

That said, you Brits are weird :)

McHrozni
 
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Well Trump's stuck his oar in and insisted that the UK is doing great after the Brexit vote:



He's also apparently in charge of any trade negotiations because he's in a position to promise:



...and...



Given that he has been vocal in stating that all future trade deals must be heavily weighted in the U.S. favour, I don't believe it.

He's also a bit confused about the difference between immigrants and refugees.



My view is that amid all the racism and xenophobia that underpinned the Leave campaign, refugees weren't a bug issue. "Pakis and Darkies" for sure - but then again the EU had little or nothing to do with that, (the fear of) Eastern Europeans, absolutely - but they weren't refugees.

IIRC the UK was notable for not pulling its weight refugee-wise :mad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38631832

When your view on Brexit is informed by Farage its surprising he is only this much totally wrong. Good to see yet another dig at Muslims for his own deplorables. Iwould hate to think he is going to grow up at any point.
 
When your view on Brexit is informed by Farage its surprising he is only this much totally wrong. Good to see yet another dig at Muslims for his own deplorables. Iwould hate to think he is going to grow up at any point.
He had kinder, but still rather mysterious, words for the peoples of Britain, as reported in BBC News website.
Other topics Mr Trump discussed included his Scottish-born mother's "love" of the Queen.
"She was so proud of the Queen," he said. "She loved the ceremony and the beauty, because nobody does that like the English, and she had great respect for the Queen and liked her.
"Any time the Queen was on television, for an event, my mother would be watching."​
 
He had kinder, but still rather mysterious, words for the peoples of Britain, as reported in BBC News website.
Other topics Mr Trump discussed included his Scottish-born mother's "love" of the Queen.
"She was so proud of the Queen," he said. "She loved the ceremony and the beauty, because nobody does that like the English, and she had great respect for the Queen and liked her.
"Any time the Queen was on television, for an event, my mother would be watching."​

Speaking of the queen, how is the doing these days? Her last appearance was some three weeks ago, was it not? It would be brutally symbolic if her reign came to an end at around the same time as Brexit.

McHrozni
 
Speaking of the queen, how is the doing these days? Her last appearance was some three weeks ago, was it not? It would be brutally symbolic if her reign came to an end at around the same time as Brexit.

McHrozni
Her Majesty has a cold. Otherwise she's just fine, OK? I don't think we'll be having more ceremony and beauty just yet. But if we do, King Chuck will be as capable as was his Mum of signing the required Acts of Parliament to rescue his beloved realm from the clutches of Johnnie Foreigner.
 
At the risk of becoming eeyorish....

I hope you're wrong, or if you're right, that she is stopped before her plan gets anywhere.

I know you go on to outline some ways in which she can be stopped but she has very carefully ensured that everyone who is in a position to materially influence Brexit is, like her, an out-out-outer and those who aren't (like Hammond) will have to do the "hard yards" of dealing with the disasterous consequences of Brexit or be branded failures.

I think all those who were applauding her appointment of Johnson, Davis and Fox on the ground that they were bound to mess things up didn't realise that they were their to do her bidding, not to fall on their swords attempting to follow their own path.

As with the leadership battle, May has played it perfectly and completely skewered her Remainer opponents.

There are plentiful options, I'm sure a good deal of Tory MPs are less than enthusiastic about committing suicide for the sake of their PM getting a place in history.

What suicide ?

The only way they can commit suicide is to antagonise their (largely pro-Brexit) constituency parties by being pro-Remain and get deselected for the next election.

Right now in England there is no viable opposition to May's views. The Labour Party is in complete disarray and its position regarding Brexit changes daily as its leader vacillates. The LibDems do have a consistent and coherent position regarding Brexit but their years in coalition with the Conservatives have left them with an electoral "stank" which will take several elections to shake off.

IMO regardless of how disasterous Brexit is, the Conservatives will be elected with an increased majority. Labour will be battered and will lose dozens of seats to UKIP. Any and all problems post-Brexit will be blamed on "horrible foreigners" which in the English mind will reinforce the view that we were right to leave, no matter how bad the consequences.


If not, the courts could well stop the procedure - a recent lawsuit alleged that EEA membership is a separate issue and must be decided separately.

The Conservative Party will be able to legislate around this. The Conservative MPs, no matter how pro-remain will not dare to risk being deselected and their isn't enough of a functioning opposition.

Time is not on Theresa's side, she has about three years until the next election, and Brexit procedure will take at least half of that.

I disagree...

If there's some kind of short-lived post Brexit bounce (the pound crashing will briefly make exports more affordable before the import-related inflation takes hold) then she can claim credit and surge to victory.

If it's all still a bit of a muddle then she can claim that "we need to see this through for the good of the country", just the soft of guff that the English electorate are suckers for.

If it's looking bad then she can just blame foreigners, wrap herself in the Union Jack, say that we ought not to change tack in our hour of need and sail to victory on a wave of "Dunkirk Spirit" (which as any fule kno was an excellent example of a rapid withdrawal from Europe followed five years later by a glorious victory (and a decade and a half of privation and poverty ;)).

That said, you Brits are weird :)

McHrozni

For sure :D
 
Speaking of the queen, how is the doing these days? Her last appearance was some three weeks ago, was it not?
No, it was eight days ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38546658

The Queen has made her first public appearance of 2017 after ill-health affected her festive season.

She arrived for the morning church service at St Mary Magdalene in Sandringham, Norfolk, on Sunday.

The monarch missed services on Christmas Day and New Year's Day because of a heavy cold.
 
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