Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[Dave Rogers]

However electron capture only happens in a nucleus with many protons and neutrons. A free proton will not undergo electron capture [...]

No, not in the real world. But in the bizarre world where a fractional quantum number orbital exists, there might be rather a large overlap between the electron and proton wavefunctions, which might result in a significant probability of electron capture. Remember, we're not dealing with reality here.

Dave

 

[Myriad]

I believe that some descriptions of the reactor also say the reaction becomes self-sustaining or self-catalyzing at some point. If that's true, implying that the emitted uv itself can trigger the hydrogen to fractional ground state transition, then the process could indeed become a true laser.

Which suggests a much better possible design! A resonant cavity with a supply of hydrogen, a little bit of the catalyst to start it out, and a brief ignition (electric arc?), and you'd have a powerful hydrogen uv laser with a flow of hydrogen gas as its only sustained input. Forget photovoltaic cells, just use the beam to blast electrons off a metal. High-voltage photoelectric.

Time to scrap the current design, raise more capital, and get to work on this new and improved version.

 

[The Man]

The catalyst catalyzes the sub ground state transition that turns the hydrogen into hydrino.

Right, which leaves the transition as the only energy source. With a release of 142 MJ/kg of chemical energy from combining hydrogen with oxygen you're better off just burning the hydrogen.

 

[The Man]

No, not in the real world. But in the bizarre world where a fractional quantum number orbital exists, there might be rather a large overlap between the electron and proton wavefunctions, which might result in a significant probability of electron capture. Remember, we're not dealing with reality here.

Dave

Good point.

 

[Horatius]

What do you get with the fusion of a proton and electron?

In my scenario, we'd be fusing either two hydrinos, or one hydrino and one regular hydrogen atom, to get something like helium.

 

[MikeG]

........which might result in a significant probability of electron capture.....

So what you're saying is that he's managed to create an infinite improbability drive.

 

[The Man]

The stable versus unstable question I alluded to before comes down to, how readily does the hydrino gas absorb energy from its environment in order to return to normal hydrogen atoms. Fully stable hydrino would be stuck permanently in the hydrino state (which alone doesn't make it entirely unreactive, as we just saw above), while unstable or (as I'd term it) "cold" hydrino would readily transform back into hydrogen, necessarily absorbing energy from its surroundings to do so. If unstable that way at e.g. room temperature, note that cold hydrino would add violation of the laws of thermodynamics to its retinue of impossibilities, but it could instead be an absorber of high-energy photons without invoking that problem. (It does have a spectrum, after all, supposedly.) The important part to remember is that whatever mechanism unstable hydrino returns to stable hydrogen, it requires energy rather than giving it off. I wonder whether a large enough dense enough (a given pressure of hydrino gas should be extremely dense, if we can find a way to confine it) mass of unstable hydrino gas could snuff out a nuclear detonation.

Yeah, I was thinking of it more like the tri-lithium from Star Trek "Generations". A fusion suppressor.

 

[jaydeehess]

You get a neutron and an electron neutrino.

http://education.jlab.org/glossary/electroncapture.html

However electron capture only happens in a nucleus with many protons and neutrons. A free proton will not undergo electron capture and a free neutron decays to a proton an electron and an electron anti-neutrino.

It comes back as things are posted. I read a book a few years ago that went into all of this. Might have been "The God Particle", or an article in Sci-Am, I don't remember.
However unless one is exposed to this often, or has an Eidetic memory it just ain't gonna stick.

 

[halleyscomet]

So assuming two hydrinos fuse into a form of helium, how much energy would be released and what would that do to the interior of the generator described?

How big a "boom" do you get from fusing two hydrogen atoms into helium?

 

[Horatius]

So assuming two hydrinos fuse into a form of helium, how much energy would be released and what would that do to the interior of the generator described?

How big a "boom" do you get from fusing two hydrogen atoms into helium?

Enough to DESTROY A CITY!

 

[jaydeehess]

Enough to DESTROY A CITY!

Well, yeah in a uncontrolled fusion a bazillion hydrogen atoms.

Does Mills put these hydrinos as elemental or as molecular. Elemental hydrogen is unusual. It's usually in the form of H₂ isn't it?

I read this as single hydrinos, elemental. If they drift to upper atmosphere, and they would, and IF they then can convert back by absorbing UV, you have highly reactive elemental hydrogen in the presence of O₃

 

[The Man]

So assuming two hydrinos fuse into a form of helium, how much energy would be released and what would that do to the interior of the generator described?

How big a "boom" do you get from fusing two hydrogen atoms into helium?

Not even that halleyscomet, just take the impact of the device as stated. Take 2,500 100 watt incandescent lights and mount them in a powered frame the size of the device in question. If that is not possible then in just as dense a configuration as possible. Put it out in your driveway, turn it on and see what happens to just your driveway.

 

[tableplay]

A little off topic here Bstrong, but with regard to terms that aren't prohibited (like if we felt like compiling a list of non-prohibited terms), I don't think the term "useful idiot" would be prohibited if one is not talking about any specific forum member.

We had a term to describe folks like you back in the old neighborhood, but the MA prohibits me from posting it.

As far as the BLP, it sounds more like the self adjusting shock absorber than the electric light.

 

[Dave Rogers]

As far as the BLP, it sounds more like the self adjusting shock absorber than the electric light.

Sounds more like the self-sealing stem bolt to me.

Dave

 

[halleyscomet]

Enough to DESTROY A CITY!

I'm looking for a slightly more specific estimate, as one of the plot points in the story I'm working on is the first commercial generator being installed in Trump Tower. If this thing has the potential to detonate, I want to know just how much damage it might do.

That said, could a single fusion reaction set off a chain reaction, causing the bulk of the hydrinos in the chamber to spontaneously fuse? If I have the hydrino gas collected in a "UV exposed exterior chamber to allow decomposition back to hydrogen" then an industrial version of the generator could easily collect hundreds of kilograms of the gas in the chamber under pressure. If that has a chain reaction then we can easily have a city destroying detonation, complete with unreacted yet still unstable hydrinos scattered into the environment.

Can I get a reality check on that from people who understand nuclear physics? Could that actually happen given the Mills claims about the nature of Hydrinos?

What about the anti-neutrino encountering a neutrino?
http://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclea...r-physics/fundamental-particles/antineutrino/

Currently (2015), it is not resolved, whether the neutrino and its antiparticle are not identical particles.

Ohhh, Never Mind.

 

[halleyscomet]

Not even that halleyscomet, just take the impact of the device as stated. Take 2,500 100 watt incandescent lights and mount them in a powered frame the size of the device in question. If that is not possible then in just as dense a configuration as possible. Put it out in your driveway, turn it on and see what happens to just your driveway.

In its current form, the story starts with Mills dead under mysterious circumstances. The generator has been brought to market by a firm incorporated from the remains of his company.

I think, for the sake of believability, the commercial generator will incorporate a proper cooling system to harness heat. I know some experimental fusion reactors include a liquid sodium phase in the cooling system before the heat is transferred to water. Is that necessary in this case, or will a direct water-to-steam generator be enough?

 

[Dave Rogers]

That said, could a single fusion reaction set off a chain reaction, causing the bulk of the hydrinos in the chamber to spontaneously fuse? If I have the hydrino gas collected in a "UV exposed exterior chamber to allow decomposition back to hydrogen" then an industrial version of the generator could easily collect hundreds of kilograms of the gas in the chamber under pressure. If that has a chain reaction then we can easily have a city destroying detonation, complete with unreacted yet still unstable hydrinos scattered into the environment.

Sure, if you want. ISTM that a hydrogen orbital greatly reduced in size would allow hydrogen nuclei to get a whole lot closer together without the like charges repelling each other, and that would increase the fusion cross-section, making hydrinos unstable and highly prone to thermonuclear fusion. But if you want them to be totally inert, I'm sure I could think up an argument why that's true instead. Once you throw away one law of physics, you can't apply the rest like nothing's changed, so since the concept of hydrinos is a fantasy from the word go, I think you can make up the fantasy that suits you best.

But I think that's one to put before the EPA; has anyone calculated the hydrino-hydrino fusion cross-section, and is there a potential hazard of accidentally creating a thermonuclear explosion?

Dave

 

[Horatius]

I'm looking for a slightly more specific estimate, as one of the plot points in the story I'm working on is the first commercial generator being installed in Trump Tower. If this thing has the potential to detonate, I want to know just how much damage it might do.

Well, the amount of potential energy is quite high:

Meanwhile, at ITER, a vast fusion chamber that’s three stories high is due to begin fusing deuterium-tritium fuel in 2026. ITER is hoping to produce 500 megawatts over 1,000 seconds from just 50 megawatts of input power and 0.5 grams of hydrogen fuel.

The real question is how quickly that energy is released. A slow reaction would just tend to heat the device up, maybe enough to melt it down and destroy it. But if it happens rapidly, as in a thermonuclear bomb, then it goes BOOM. Figuring out which would happen would take some math, I suspect

 

[Horatius]

Which brings up another problem. Mills first started out trying to explain Cold Fusion, but has in recent years distanced himself from CF. But there actually is a type of "cold" fusion: Muon catalyzed fusion:




So if these hydrinos do exist, and can "autocatalyze" to lower and lower states, why do they never end up actually fusing, as we see with Muon catalyzed fusion? Why do we never end up with heliuminos?

But I think that's one to put before the EPA; has anyone calculated the hydrino-hydrino fusion cross-section, and is there a potential hazard of accidentally creating a thermonuclear explosion?

Dave

If you look at that earlier post, muon fusion is known to occur when the muon allows the nuclei to approach "196 times closer than in a normal molecule". Mills' notion is that the size of the electron radius simply scales according to the number of lower transitions that have been made, aH>aH/2>aH/3, and so on.

So for a hydrino-hydrogen reaction, we might expect to need a hydrino-196. With hydrino-hydrino reactions, though, we'd get the benefit of both hydrinos being smaller, so any pair of hydrino-X and hydrino-Y, where the multiplication of integers XY=196 should work.

The factors of 196 are 1,2,4,7,14,28,49,98,196. I'd guess two hydrino-14s would be the best bet for an explosion, with the pair hydrino-7,-28 being a close second.

 

[phunk]

If you look at that earlier post, muon fusion is known to occur when the muon allows the nuclei to approach "196 times closer than in a normal molecule". Mills' notion is that the size of the electron radius simply scales according to the number of lower transitions that have been made, aH>aH/2>aH/3, and so on.

So for a hydrino-hydrogen reaction, we might expect to need a hydrino-196. With hydrino-hydrino reactions, though, we'd get the benefit of both hydrinos being smaller, so any pair of hydrino-X and hydrino-Y, where the multiplication of integers XY=196 should work.

The factors of 196 are 1,2,4,7,14,28,49,98,196. I'd guess two hydrino-14s would be the best bet for an explosion, with the pair hydrino-7,-28 being a close second.

196 is not a magic number you have to hit to get fusion, it's just the ratio of muon orbital radius to the electron's. A higher number would work even better. A lower one would still work just not as well.