Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[RussDill]

I'm not betting with any of my bitcoins. Their value could go up exponentially during that time as Venezuela continues to implode. That's my retirement fund you're talking about.

Any money you lose by betting could be money that you buy BTC with. If I bet you with BTC and you lose, you could purchase additional BTC with the money. The outcome is the same. Assets are assets are assets. It's how you store those assets that counts.

 

[Roboramma]

Well, it's not like we've studied the hydrogen atom in any detail. This sub-ground state could be lurking out there, unknown by mainstream science, in much the same way that modern mathematics has overlooked the possibility of a hitherto unknown integer between 0 and 1.

If there is a sub-ground state below the ground state of the hydrogen atom, then hydrogen atoms in the ground state will spontaneously drop to the sub-ground state, without any outside help. The fact that they haven't done so is already evidence that said state doesn't exist.

 

[Roboramma]

I'm not betting with any of my bitcoins. Their value could go up exponentially during that time as Venezuela continues to implode. That's my retirement fund you're talking about.

But the thing works, right? So what are you worrying about? He's offering to give you 1 BTC.

 

[michaelsuede]

But the thing works, right? So what are you worrying about? He's offering to give you 1 BTC.

The bet isn't if it works. The bet is that Columbia Tech will have successfully finished prototyping and refinement R&D, with BrLP having a least one commercial client operating a production SunCell for power within a year and a half.

That's a very different bet than just saying 'it works'.

It already works.

 

[Roboramma]

I have an electric heater that puts out 3000 watts. It is good enough to heat my bedroom in the winter okay. I'd say it gets the temp in my room up by about 10C.

Now we get a device that puts out 1,000,000 watts in waste heat. Put the same device in my room and it will heat it to a temperature 3000x greater. So my bedroom ends up at a temperature of 30,000C, which, off the top of my head, is 6 times hotter than the surface of the sun.

Of course that heat will move through my house and my room will end up a little cooler, but it may end up leaving my entire house at around 5000 C. Maybe I can prevent that by insulating the device and turning it off to cool when necessary. I can maybe do some sort of active cooling by running pipes of water over it or something like that, but that's still going to be a lot of heat to deal with for a device I'm supposed to just keep in my garage or backyard. Whatever method is used to deal with all this waste heat will take up so much space (and require enough mass) to negate any hope for portability.

Disclaimer: These numbers are probably somewhat inaccurate, but as an off the top of my head exercise I think they are close enough to the actual situation that they illustrate a very real issue that hasn't been considered: how do you deal with the massive amount of heat coming off of this device? At the very least it's a very dangerous fire hazard.

 

[michaelsuede]

According to Mills, the waste heat will be about 250 kw per power plant, which is about the same as a Chevrolet Kodiak's engine puts out at peak power. An H1 Hummer puts out 224 kW. A BMW 7 series puts out 327 kW.

So yeah, it will heat your room up.

Which is why you don't put it in your bedroom.

 

[sts60]

That's obviously not a valid reason, given that since Mills has demonstrated hydrogen can indeed to go a lower ground state, ipso facto, QM is wrong.

He's already demonstrated this. The only problem is that you will not believe it until you have a generator parked in your driveway powering your home. Even then, you probably still won't believe it.

You're correct on one thing; I don't believe it. There have been a lot of charlatans that have produced graphs and prototypes and YouTube videos, but just like Mills have never had their work replicated on a widespread independent scale, for the simple reason that just like Mills their central claims are bogus.

Yes, you're sure he has, and you have a big chip on your shoulder; but you've already demonstrated your lack of understanding of some pretty basic physical principles, as well as various related engineering ones. Yet, when these are pointed out to you, instead of questioning your own conclusions, you dig further into them. I'm not trying to insult you; I'm trying to keep you from getting fleeced. When you can't admit you're wrong about things you clearly don't understand, like spacecraft navigation, that's a danger sign - especially when people like asking you for money for some alleged super-technology they've been making and breaking promises in for many years.

But let's suppose you're right, and in year or two my neighbors start getting cheap power units delivered right and left, and their power meters start spinning backwards continuously (and the waste heat starts peeling the paint off their homes, but never mind that). Of course I'd believe such unambiguous proof. As I've said, I wold be delighted to be wrong about this. But when will you acknowledge the whole thing is a scam? When the revolution hasn't come in five years? Ten? Twenty?

 

[michaelsuede]

I love how you just throw this out there "you've already demonstrated your lack of understanding of some pretty basic physical principles, as well as various related engineering ones" without any proof or substantiation.

You are the one who is patently and plainly wrong sir. You have nothing left to argue except ad homs.

 

[Darat]

PV is an established technology.

Masimo Semiconductor already has the concentrator PV cells developed and will be delivering the first PV dome on the 13th.

Mills doesn't have to wait for anything.

The claims are a tad diffuse but happy to take your word for it.

Now why has he waited until now to get these "PV cells" when he has had a power supply that could have been used back in 1996 (or earlier) with existing technology.

 

[sts60]

It's not an ad hominem fallacy to point out your lack of understanding in fields you brought up as a way to buttress your claims, especially after pointing out why some of those claims were wrong (in this case, your auxiliary claims about the speed of light). More importantly, I didn't say you were wrong because you didn't understand certain principles; I (and others) pointed out why you were wrong and cautioned you against redoubling your investment in such claims without questioning your own understanding.

I repeat: it's a danger sign when you stubbornly repeat your erroneous claims in areas you clearly don't understand - the spacecraft navigation one was one example. You didn't anticipate the counterexample, because you didn't grasp the consequences of your auxiliary claim (G varying "all over the place"), because you don't really understand the topic. If you can't deal with being wrong on a tangent, how can you ever reevaluate your buy-in on the main topic?

In any case, I've given you a realistic (according to your words) scenario in which I would admit I was wrong. Again, when would you admit this whole thing is bogus? Not the distractions of the conversion technology; I mean the core claim of hydrino energy production. When there's no independent deployment of functioning generators in five years? Ten? Twenty?

 

[Roboramma]

According to Mills, the waste heat will be about 250 kw per power plant, which is about the same as a Chevrolet Kodiak's engine puts out at peak power. An H1 Hummer puts out 224 kW. A BMW 7 series puts out 327 kW.

So yeah, it will heat your room up.

Which is why you don't put it in your bedroom.

You said it produces 1MW of power. Of this, 50 kW is converted to electricity. It puts out another 250 kW of waste heat.

Where does the other 700 kW of power go?

Or are we going to violate conservation of energy as well?

 

[MikeG]

You said it produces 1MW of power. Of this, 50 kW is converted to electricity. It puts out another 250 kW of waste heat.

Where does the other 700 kW of power go?

Or are we going to violate conservation of energy as well?

Makey-uppie figures indicate an efficiency of 5%, which is appalling. You could hook up a Stirling engine to the exhaust heat output, link it to a generator, and do better than the original claimed electrickery output. Hell you could feed the heat into a steam engine and do better.

 

[michaelsuede]

You said it produces 1MW of power. Of this, 50 kW is converted to electricity. It puts out another 250 kW of waste heat.

Where does the other 700 kW of power go?

Or are we going to violate conservation of energy as well?

It has produced up to one megawatt continuous power in testing.

Mills said they will run the bulb at 330 kw to start.

Mills said they will get about 11 to 20% conversion efficiency, producing around 50 kw of power depending on numerous factors. 50 kw is a ball park.

 

[MikeG]

It has produced up to one megawatt continuous power in testing.

Mills said they will run the bulb at 330 kw to start.

Mills said they will get about 11 to 20% conversion efficiency, producing around 50 kw of power depending on numerous factors. 50 kw is a ball park.

Like I said, makey-uppie figures. Why are we dealing with ball park numbers if this thing has been extensively tested? Why can't we just go to the physics publication it has been published in and read the exact data?

 

[RussDill]

I'm very curious how it is that people find themselves believing this stuff. Did they analyze the science and see that it is a possible machine to build? Well, no, because the claim is that it breaks currently known laws of physics. Have they replicated these new physics themselves through experimentation? nope. What about completely independent labs with a reputation for particle physics...nope, not that either. How about a flashy youtube video, like on those flexfunding indeogogo campaigns....nope, not that either. A track record of making similar products that turned out to actually work? Nope...not that either.

 

[Worm]

Perhaps I'm just cynical, but if you'd really invented free energy you wouldn't sell the device, you'd use it yourself and sell the energy.

 

[RussDill]

Oh geez, they are now claiming that they are converting hydrogen to dark matter.

ETA: "That new state of matter is from our spectroscopy measurements and analytical tests we've done over has shown that it's the identity of dark matter"

Anyone who knows even the bare minimum about dark matter and spectroscopy knows instantly the extreme quantity of bovine excrement this guy is pushing and how much he must be relying on the total lack of physics knowledge of his investors.

 

[marplots]

This thing is not fuel free - it converts hydrogen into hydrinos. That's a concern when you are going to start converting olympic-sized swimming pools worth of water. I like water.

I haven't yet seen how these hydrinos are supposed to be disposed of. Remember how great nuclear sounded until someone pointed out we have to store all the waste?

I don't want hydrinos getting into the environment, causing damage. What is he doing with them now?

 

[MikeG]

It seems that BLP (used to be Black Light Power), has been making precisely the same claims (commercially ready in the next 12 to 18 months) since 2008:

Since 1999, Robert L. Park, emeritus professor of physics at the University of Maryland and a notable skeptic, has been particularly critical of BLP. In 2008, Park wrote:

"BlackLight Power (BLP), founded 17 years ago as HydroCatalysis, announced last week that the company had successfully tested a prototype power system that would generate 50 KW of thermal power. BLP anticipates delivery of the new power system in 12 to 18 months. The BLP process,[35] discovered by Randy Mills, is said to coax hydrogen atoms into a "state below the ground state", called the "hydrino." There is no independent scientific confirmation of the hydrino, and BLP has a patent problem. So they have nothing to sell but bull ****. The company is therefore dependent on investors with deep pockets and shallow brains." – Park

Wiki.

 

[marplots]

It seems that BLP (used to be Black Light Power), has been making precisely the same claims (commercially ready in the next 12 to 18 months) since 2008:

Wiki.

Hope springs eternal.