Are all Trump supporters racists?

[ponderingturtle]

I'm not sure 'abandoned' is appropriate. Her platform contained detailed plans for reviving Rust Belt employment. It was just part of a general employment boosting strategy for everybody. My concern is that 'abandoned' is a synonym for 'treated as equal to those other demographics,' which actually reinforces the accusation of racism, unfortunately. Also, when this is pointed out, some critics say "Well she shouldn't have just put it on the website version of the platform, she should have spoon fed it to the white blue collar males in targetted advertising or something instead of giving them the intellectual challenge of doing online research to make their voting decisions." This sounds like the opposite of "She was treating them like they were dumb yokels," so this is one of the things that I try to understand: was she treating them like they were dumb, or was she overestimating their abilities? Fish or cut bait, y'know?

And had the downside of being focused on things that were actually possible not the fairytale entitlements promised to them by trump. Don't you understand they are entitled to these jobs that pay high wages regardless of the skills involved or the labor markets. Because capitalism is the enemy.

 

[blutoski]

And had the downside of being focused on things that were actually possible not the fairytale entitlements promised to them by trump. Don't you understand they are entitled to these jobs that pay high wages regardless of the skills involved or the labor markets. Because capitalism is the enemy.

Yes her proposals were essentially shifting those communities' economies into more advanced service industry and tech jobs, taking for granted that the original industries were not returning. In retrospect, this reality talk is not what the voter segment in question wanted to hear. It's cognitive dissonance, unfortunately.

Manufacturing had different challenges than resource extraction industries, and I think there's different solutions for each of those.

Resource extraction has lost labour force mostly to technology. I think there is a coal example above. Here in BC, we're seeing the same for forestry, mining, fishing. I was just in a lumbermill tour where the tour guide pointed out that automation has reduced the mill staffing by 95% over the last 30 years, while increasing output by a factor of four. So to restore the original staffing levels, the market needs to expand to eighty times its size, which is impossible, and anyway not going to happen just because corporate taxes are reduced by a fraction.

Those careers are just doing what they've been doing for 500 years. Machines make people more productive and since there's only so many safety pins beer or cars the world can consume at any price, this means layoffs. But, good news: the invisible hand of the market will find work for idle people. However, this is dependent on inventing entirely new industries, not expanding the existing ones. And new industries is dependent on entrepreneurs. And entrepreneurship is dependent on access to education and social/geographical mobility.

Having said that, here's the new problem: most of these new industries have not hired these layoffs from old advanced capitalized industries; but rather, they have opened shops overseas and hired foreigners. OK: the complainants have a point here, this is new versus 50 years ago. I don't think it's unreasonable to resent this trend, and I am not as pessimistic about returning a portion of those factories to the US through the result of some sort of free-market-hostile socialist command economy policy like tariffs. But I am pessimistic about the net economic gains for workers' standard of living.

Either way, blaming brown folk for getting work to feed their families instead of the CEOs who shipped the jobs overseas is the type of distraction that can only be fuelled by racism.

 

[Mumbles]

I wouldn't worry about the police. As a White man, I have more chance of being shot and killed by police than you. As police shoot Whites more often than Blacks. This war against cops is largely just propaganda of some hard Left groups. Don't fall for it.

I'll trust my experiences in life far before random people on the internet when it comes to protecting myself and my family, thank you very much. And my life experience tells me that nearly every adult black male has had to deal with out of control police, often police who become violent at the drop of a hat. And since Trump has made a campaign pledge to push to make this worse, I'll continue to work against him.

I realize you have been exposed to Leftist beliefs for quite some time now, but to equate Reagan with being racist is beyond the realm of reality. The man did not have a racist bone in his body.

I'm discussing his policies, not his skeleton.

I understand the frustration you feel. But don't judge Trump by what other's have said, judge him by his actions. We'll see exactly what he does for the Country, if he does nothing I'll join you in being frustrated and bitter. But let's wait and see. You never know.

I am judging him by his actions. He has, for decades, portrayed himself as a white supremacist, and I will treat him as such. I will also treat people who voted for him with caution, until I know them. As we've seen since he began his campaign, while not all of his supporters are loudmouthed bigots, a majority of them do believe racial stereotypes.

 

[The Don]

I think it's still tied into this topic Don , since we're basically talking about the election and how the differing views are seen by each side.

No, the topic is whether all Trump's supporters are racist. IMO they are not but they are tolerant of racism (which is probably what I've said in the first 2 or 3 pages).

btw it's "The Don" my username has nothing to do with my RL name.

 

[The Don]

Trump is not a racist.

If he isn't racist, he's done a great impersonation of one for 40+ years

He, and his business, was successfully prosecuted back in the 70's for not renting to black tenants.

His pronouncements during the Presidential campaign have been covered at length in this thread. It could be that they were hyperbole or rhetoric but again it goes back to a great impersonation of a racist.

 

[theprestige]

If he isn't racist, he's done a great impersonation of one for 40+ years

He, and his business, was successfully prosecuted back in the 70's for not renting to black tenants.

His pronouncements during the Presidential campaign have been covered at length in this thread. It could be that they were hyperbole or rhetoric but again it goes back to a great impersonation of a racist.

What's the most racist pronouncement he's made, that's been covered in this thread?

 

[The Don]

What's the most racist pronouncement he's made, that's been covered in this thread?

It's difficult to choose - why don't you decide ?

 

[uke2se]

So he didn't call all Mexicans rapists after all. Point taken. Chris B.

No, he just called all Mexican immigrant rapists.

 

[Mumbles]

Did I forget those times when Trump called on his followers to "monitor" voting places in "certain neighborhoods" in cities? Or his direct calls to "rough up" black protestors at his rallies (compare this to now Obama reacted to protestors)? Or the time he called a black supporter a "thug" (that most common of racial code words) and had him ejected from a rally?

Like I said, it's hard to remember all of the evidence of outright racism from the campaign alone.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I'll trust my experiences in life far before random people on the internet when it comes to protecting myself and my family, thank you very much. And my life experience tells me that nearly every adult black male has had to deal with out of control police, often police who become violent at the drop of a hat. And since Trump has made a campaign pledge to push to make this worse, I'll continue to work against him.



I'm discussing his policies, not his skeleton.



I am judging him by his actions. He has, for decades, portrayed himself as a white supremacist, and I will treat him as such. I will also treat people who voted for him with caution, until I know them. As we've seen since he began his campaign, while not all of his supporters are loudmouthed bigots, a majority of them do believe racial stereotypes.

Trump is a recent convert to Conservatism. Meaning, he was Democrat and a big Democrat donor for decades. Hillary Clinton was a guest at his wedding. Seems odd to me that only now is this "racist" background thing a thing. Seems rather difficult to accept that while he was a Democrat and party donor , he was a great guy.........yet all of a sudden when he shifts to Conservative, he's now sold as a long time racist and white supremie by the Left....

Are you at all concerned that you may be a little naive? Let's see it from YOUR point of view and say Trump is a racist. How long was he a racist as a Democrat vs how long he has been a racist as a Republican? Did you consider this at all? Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

If he isn't racist, he's done a great impersonation of one for 40+ years

He, and his business, was successfully prosecuted back in the 70's for not renting to black tenants.

His pronouncements during the Presidential campaign have been covered at length in this thread. It could be that they were hyperbole or rhetoric but again it goes back to a great impersonation of a racist.

You mean to say Trump was a racist when he was a Democrat and donor? Why only now do we hear about this? hmmmm? Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Just ... no.

In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.


Don't fall for it.

You forgot the percentage of Black population committing crimes vs the percentage of White population committing crimes........

A higher percentage of one race will ensure a higher mortality rate during criminal/cop conflicts. Whites are more apt to be shot by police than Blacks. You really need to get away from the sources that parrot "Hands up Don't shoot" Fantasy does not mix well with fact. Chris B.

 

[Mumbles]

Trump is a recent convert to Conservatism. Meaning, he was Democrat and a big Democrat donor for decades.

So?

Hillary Clinton was a guest at his wedding. Seems odd to me that only now is this "racist" background thing a thing. Seems rather difficult to accept that while he was a Democrat and party donor , he was a great guy.........yet all of a sudden when he shifts to Conservative, he's now sold as a long time racist and white supremie by the Left....

The answer is obvious. He was *always* a bigot, a sexual predator, a business failure, a dullard, and a narcissist. This "but he used to be a democrat" stuff is mere handwaving. You just weren't paying attention to him. I grew up near NYC, in Boston, and I've always considered him to be a terrible person - only the sex predator stuff was new to me.

Are you at all concerned that you may be a little naive? Let's see it from YOUR point of view and say Trump is a racist. How long was he a racist as a Democrat vs how long he has been a racist as a Republican? Did you consider this at all? Chris B.

Well, however long he was a democrat, versus however long he was a republican. This entire issue is mere handwaving - party affiliation tells us relatively little about whether a person is a bigot, compared to, as an example, whether or not they refer to random black people as "thugs" without evidence.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Sorry, y'all. I forgot to mention Trump's close partnership with white nationalist Steve Bannon, his nomination of white supremacist and civil rights opponent Jeff Sessions to the Attorney General post, his habit of retweeting white genociders, and his apparent signing on to voter suppression efforts that the GOP has been obsessed with ever since Obama was voted into office.

It's hard to keep up with all of the blatantly racist things Trump's done.

Let's agree to see it your way and say in fact these folks Trump associates with are racists. I don't believe that, but just as a discussion we'll go there.
If Obama had/has contacts with racists groups or people, would you likewise define Obama as a racist? Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

So?



The answer is obvious. He was *always* a bigot, a sexual predator, a business failure, a dullard, and a narcissist. This "but he used to be a democrat" stuff is mere handwaving. You just weren't paying attention to him. I grew up near NYC, in Boston, and I've always considered him to be a terrible person - only the sex predator stuff was new to me.



Well, however long he was a democrat, versus however long he was a republican. This entire issue is mere handwaving - party affiliation tells us relatively little about whether a person is a bigot, compared to, as an example, whether or not they refer to random black people as "thugs" without evidence.

But why only now do we hear this racism stuff about Trump? Not a peep while he was a Democrat.......Why? If it's true now then it was true then right?
Something smells funny to me. Chris B.

 

[uke2se]

But why only now do we hear this racism stuff about Trump? Not a peep while he was a Democrat.......Why? If it's true now then it was true then right?
Something smells funny to me. Chris B.

Quite a few people called him a racist during the Central Park 5 incident.

Perhaps you just weren't paying attention before?

 

[The Don]

You mean to say Trump was a racist when he was a Democrat and donor? Why only now do we hear about this? hmmmm? Chris B.

As uke2se pointed out, he was called on it during the Central Park 5 furore.

Of course he was legally called on it during the 1970's.

Of course he didn't spend quite so much time consorting with racists when he supported the Democratic Party

 

[Mumbles]

But why only now do we hear this racism stuff about Trump? Not a peep while he was a Democrat.......Why? If it's true now then it was true then right?
Something smells funny to me. Chris B.

I heard about it for decades. I also pointed it out when he was pushing his racist crap about Obama back in 2011 back when this was the JREF forum. Again, if you didn't hear about it, then you likely weren't paying attention.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I think he called for justice for the victim. He didn't call for lynching Blacks and Hispanics.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I heard about it for decades. I also pointed it out when he was pushing his racist crap about Obama back in 2011 back when this was the JREF forum. Again, if you didn't hear about it, then you likely weren't paying attention.

Questioning where Obama was born is racist? Why? Simply because he's a Black man? Was it also racist when he questioned where Cruz was born? Perhaps you are applying a racist label where no racism exists. Ever think about that?
Chris B.