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Oh but he didn't campaign on the £350 million for the NHS so he can't be held to that......
I can't see the EU allowing that deal unless free movement is also retained.
That deal is similar to the one Cameron was asking for in his negotiations prior to the referendum: UK keeps paying in, UK keeps EEC access, but puts a brake on free movement.
The EU couldn't offer anything meaningful on that issue prior to the referendum: if the EU still isn't prepared to give some ground on free movement then paying for EEC access is a non-starter.
Davis knows that and is just trying to muddy the water a little and spread confusion about Britain's negotiating position. This is a good idea before any negotiations - you don't want the opposing side to know your strategy.
The EU are also making confusing and contradictory statements before the negotiations as you would expect - they're all just doing their jobs.
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So far, the May government is following Cameron. It's policies toward Europe seem to be purely an extension of domestic politics. Europe tried to play along while the UK was a member but that can't continue. Unless the new government stops with the domestic posturing and starts negotiating it is bound for a hard brexit.
Contradictory statements like what?
Quite a list for £18.2bn a year. The budget shortfall is over five years, right? That's already what, four times the supposed saving, if we ignore the fact the 350 million a week was a lie to begin with.
McHrozni
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Sorry, missed a couple ...
So now the "£350m a week" has to cover:
What a shambles.
So now the "£350m a week" has to cover:
- The £122bn budget shortfall
- Additional funding for the NHS
- Refurbishing Buckingham Palace
- Maintaining farming subsidies
- Maintaining fishing subsidies
- Indemnifying manufacturers against negative impacts of Brexit
- £2bn a year for science and innovation
- Replace EU investment for our poorest regions
- Pay our EEA subscriptions
[*]Pay for the department of Brexiting
[*]Pay for the department of International Trade
[*]Pay for bodies to set and enforce rules currently handled by the EU
What a shambles.
Interesting result to say the least.
One bit of rubbish that the EU is spouting is that when we do leave, we'll owe them €60 billion as some sort of severance payment for commitments already made.
It's a ridiculous figure of course. Typical of the sort of nonsense the EU comes up with and another reason why we should leave ASAP.
It's a ridiculous figure of course. Typical of the sort of nonsense the EU comes up with and another reason why we should leave ASAP.
Don't you guys read the news or know how to Google?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/eu-wa...fee-in-brexit-negotiations-article-50-2016-11
http://uk.businessinsider.com/eu-wa...fee-in-brexit-negotiations-article-50-2016-11
People who make ludicrous claims are supposed to provide evidence themselves.
The article clearly states UK owes this money already. It's only connection with Brexit is that UK will have to fulfill it's obligations despite it.
McHrozni
In the same post you go from saying I've made a ludicrous claim to supporting the claim yourself!
The article clearly states that the opinion of the EU negotiator is that the UK owes the money already.
You missed out the important part that I've italicised. The EU negotiator, as is usual with EU bureaucrats, was spouting nonsense.
The article clearly states that the opinion of the EU negotiator is that the UK owes the money already.
You missed out the important part that I've italicised. The EU negotiator, as is usual with EU bureaucrats, was spouting nonsense.
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No, it doesn't. It cites the EU negotiator as the source of information, that's it.
It also makes clear that €60 billion is the upper gross limit of what UK could be liable for. It includes stuff like loan guarantees and investment in projects in UK, so the numbers is about as accurate at that 350m a day was - i.e. a lie.
If Pinocchio was a Brexiter we could use him as a source of inexpensive and sustainable timber.
McHrozni
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Non credunt, semper verificare
You are in this forum for how many years ? The one advancing the claim is the one which has to provide the evidence. Heck it is basic polite discussion to provide the link.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
Read on WHAT is the article about:
" in unpaid budget commitments, pension liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects"
That is very clear that it is past commitment which normally would not be rescinded.
Especially pension liabilities or loan guarantees.
Baring bankruptcy such liabilities are normally always held up, even in case of firm buyout. I see no reason or provision ina rt 50 making past liabilities suddenly gone.
The problem is it's never been done, and with any new legal thing with no precedent then the first case to come up is when all the little bugs in the system come out. Article 50 will not be immune from being pulled apart by legal-types. This is going to run and run...
Quite.
Domestic policy and the conflict in the Tory party.
So go after The Don and others to provide links for their lists of claims too.
Oh, that's right, you're only asking for link evidence when someone posts something that goes against your own predetermined opinion.
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