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Trump Claims Millions of Illegal Votes Cast

Ethan Thane Athen said:
And now Trump and Kellyanne are calling the Democrats and Hilary specifically (even though I don't believe she's actually commented?) 'cry babies' for not accepting the result when they didn't ask for the recount, the Greens did, and all the Democrats have said is 'We don't believe it will change the election, but if there is going to be a recount we want to exercise our right to be involved to ensure it's done properly.' WTF is wrong with that? they are specifically saying they don't expect it to affect the result.

Meanwhile, Trump claims millions of illegal votes (and run his campaign on the basis that the system was rigged) but says there's no point in a recount or any sort of investigation. The man is a complete tool.
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That is what people like about him apparently. It isn't like this is some shocking change of behavior.
 
catsmate said:
This. If the Trumpet really believed there were voting irregularities he should support a recount.
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Well, no. If, as alleged, there were lots of illegal votes cast, a recount will simply recount those same illegal votes, it won't do anything to remove them. How could it? Once a vote has been cast, there's no way to tell who cast it. That's an essential feature of the system.

But Noah is right. Trump shouted "squirrel!", and all the dogs are chasing their tales.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The man's literally insane. He's attempting to simultaneously claim the election was fair (because he won it) and fradulent (because he didn't win by as much as he'd like) so the results are simultaneously valid (because he's not conceding a defeat) and invalid (because he claims there were "millions" of improper votes). I know toddlers who make more sense, and they scream the house down if you serve them their blueberries on the Miss Piggy plate instead of the Peppa Pig plate.
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Why would you think it's insane if the strategy works?

This is like Obama's use of discredited statistics. The fact that the statistics were bull **** wasn't a bug, it was a feature. It accomplished something (and pretty much the same thing as here): it served as a distraction.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I know someone who was not allowed to vote in michigan because she has not yet gotten an michigan drivers license. Having a young child with Cystic Fibrosis means money is very tight and she couldn't afford to replace her florida drivers licience with a michigan one. So no voting for her.

So it worked in getting at least one person I know disenfranchised. But in large part it is working as intended, no one wants the poor to vote.
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This is from the Michigan.gov website.

The following types of photo ID are acceptable:

Michigan driver's license or state-issued ID card
Driver's license or personal identification card issued by another state
Federal or state government-issued photo identification
U.S. passport
Military ID with photo
Student identification with photo from a high school or accredited institution of higher learning
Tribal identification card with photo
The ID does not need your address.

Michigan does have a voter identification requirement at the polls. Voters are asked to present an acceptable photo ID such as a Michigan driver's license or identification card. Please note that voters who do not have an acceptable form of ID or failed to bring it with them to the polls still can vote. They simply sign a brief affidavit stating that they're not in possession of a photo ID. Their ballots are included with all others and counted on Election Day.
 
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I don't think he really believes that there is significant voter fraud. He simply cannot face being a loser at anything. He lost the popular vote so he has to come up with some reasoning as to why that was the case. It doesn't matter, but he is simply so used to having everything go his way, or at least spinning the narrative so that it does, that he simply cannot resist piling in to the whole 'won the electoral college but not the popular vote' stories.

He could easily just ignore them, but his ego won't allow that. He has to win everything. He has to be the best. Nobody else can succeed. Trump always wins. It's the attitude of an infant, but nobody ever told him it was wrong.
 
Meadmaker said:
Jill Stein, who is leading the recount effort, has, like Trump, also suggested the possibility of vote fraud, so perhaps some think I ought to be outraged at her as well.
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The biggest difference is that Trump alleges fraud, and Stein at best suggests it.

But does she suggest fraud? I just heard an NPR story that said otherwise. Are there any clear quotes from Stein regarding fraud?

Thanks.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Meanwhile, Trump claims millions of illegal votes (and run his campaign on the basis that the system was rigged) but says there's no point in a recount or any sort of investigation. The man is a complete tool.
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Wouldn't it be funny if they recounted the whole deal because of Trump's tantrum and ended up electing Hillary instead? :p (impossible, I know)
 
This is not a surprise. Trump must always come out on top. The fact that Hillary beat him in the popular vote irks him to no end. Conclusion: Illegal voters! That's the only way she could have beaten him.
 
Worm said:
I don't think he really believes that there is significant voter fraud. He simply cannot face being a loser at anything. He lost the popular vote so he has to come up with some reasoning as to why that was the case. It doesn't matter, but he is simply so used to having everything go his way, or at least spinning the narrative so that it does, that he simply cannot resist piling in to the whole 'won the electoral college but not the popular vote' stories.

He could easily just ignore them, but his ego won't allow that. He has to win everything. He has to be the best. Nobody else can succeed. Trump always wins. It's the attitude of an infant, but nobody ever told him it was wrong.
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That's the best possible spin.

The other way to look at it is that his fraud claims aren't really about the election that he just won, but about any future elections that don't go his way.
 
Suddenly said:
That's the best possible spin.

The other way to look at it is that his fraud claims aren't really about the election that he just won, but about any future elections that don't go his way.
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Or, as is usually the case with Republican claims of voter fraud, it's a pretense to attack voting rights.
 
phiwum said:
The biggest difference is that Trump alleges fraud, and Stein at best suggests it.

But does she suggest fraud? I just heard an NPR story that said otherwise. Are there any clear quotes from Stein regarding fraud?

Thanks.
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I know in Michigan in order to request a recount if the election is not sufficiently close, and it isn't, you have to allege evidence of "fraud or mistake". We'll see what happens. I think I read that today is the deadline for a recount request.


In the statements I have read, she has kind of danced around the edges. She doesn't outright allege fraud, but she notes voting oddities, such as a mismatch between results and published polls. I have never read any statement by her that is as strong as the statement made by Trump.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
With no voter ID laws, it is highly likely some votes were cast by illegal immigrants. Odd that I must show ID to buy a pack of smokes, yet I can go vote uninhibited by identification. Chris B.
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Prove it. Why do you think illegal immigrants would risk felony prosecution just to vote? A majority of citizens don't vote. And no ID doesn't mean anonymity. Voters must register in advance, sometimes months in advance, and their names are added to the voter rolls. When they appear to vote at their assigned polling place their names are checked off the list. If an illegal immigrant tried to vote, he would need to know the name and address of a registered voter AND would need to be sure that that person would not appear himself. Again, prove your claim.
 
Meadmaker said:
In the statements I have read, she has kind of danced around the edges. She doesn't outright allege fraud, but she notes voting oddities, such as a mismatch between results and published polls. I have never read any statement by her that is as strong as the statement made by Trump.
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Stein is looking for a way around the possibility that she had a hand in electing President Rapist. Even her most ardent (and obviously dumb) supporters have to be wondering if voting for Stein cost Hillary the election.
 
Bob001 said:
Prove it. Why do you think illegal immigrants would risk felony prosecution just to vote?
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Because it's not much of a risk.

And no ID doesn't mean anonymity. Voters must register in advance, sometimes months in advance, and their names are added to the voter rolls.
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Suppose that the election board finds the name of a non-citizen on the voter registration rolls. What happens? Does that non-citizen face criminal prosecution? No, he doesn't. Why not? Because it's essentially impossible to prove that he's really the one who registered. You can't be convicted for someone else fraudulently registering your name.

Suppose further that the election board finds that someone voted under the name of a non-citizen. What happens? Does that non-citizen face criminal prosecution? No, he doesn't. Why not? Because it's essentially impossible to prove that he's really the one who voted under that name. You can't be convicted for someone else fraudulently voting under your name.

The system has very little security. We should expect some abuse of the system because it's easy to get away with it, just like it's easy to get away with speeding.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nearly-200000-Florida-Voters-May-Not-Be-Citizens-151212725.html
 
seayakin said:
Beyond North Carolina, Alabama had implemented voter ID requirements and promptly closed DMV locations.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/alabama-dmv-closures-voting-rights/
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The law was passed in 2011.
It went into effect in June 2014
I believe the closings were over a year later.

Not exactly promptly closed.
These offices gave out 9,000 licenses in 2014 and now the county board of registrars will provide photo ID.
Offices that gave about 300 licenses a year were closed because the cost was prohibitively high in a time of budget constraints.
 
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