President Trump

Status
Not open for further replies.
ponderingturtle said:
That is the price of the election. He has called for a special session of congress to do exactly that.

You might just have to resign yourself to being a casualty of the election.
Click to expand...
Yes, I have resigned myself, Obamacare is toast. There is some hope for people with preexisting conditions though, at least he is making noises about it.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
The Nazis actually increased gun ownership rights for "ordinary citizens" (Jews and other "unreliables" were less than a percent of the population, so they wouldn't have made much of a difference).

The thing is, fascists are usually fairly popular among the population. Hitler had (as far as any historian can tell) genuine approval ratings no democratic leader would ever dream of. Probably, the most gun-owning poplace in the U.S. are pro-Trump, and stricter gun control would actually harm a fascist takeover.
Click to expand...

Hitler did some amazing things when he took office. He sort of demanded everyone work. Granted it usually was pathetic wages and the powerful industrialists loved it. They had been terrified of Hiltler when he took office and then discovered that Hitler's brand of socialism involved them with most of the power. Hitler had taken power in the middle of the depression. Germany had been suffering in economic turmoil and the horrible terms of the Treaty of Versailles. He took office and told the French to go screw themselves as Germany was no longer going to pay war reparations. And the German people loved that.

But everything revolved around the patriotic empowerment of Hitler and the Fatherland. Hitler was a great admirer of Sparta. Boys would be trained to be warriors. They went to camps and ate well and played sports.

I see so many parallels between Trump and Hitler. Hitler wasn't that smart but he understood power and people. Both are demagogues. But America in 2016 is not Germany in 1932.
Hitler was 43 when he took office. Trump 70. Hitler never had much money. Trump of course, never knew what it was like to do without anything. Hitler really was a man of the people, Trump only pretends to be.

Talking about Hitler on the Internet is so clichéd. Me, I can't help it as I have studied Hitler pretty intensively. I don't really worry that Trump is another Hitler, but I do worry that he has designs on being more than a president. Hitler created a template that many dictators have followed. I can't help noticing that Trump has used a few plays out of Hitler's playbook.
 
Marcus said:
Yes, I have resigned myself, Obamacare is toast. There is some hope for people with preexisting conditions though, at least he is making noises about it.
Click to expand...

There is no way to protect people with pre-existing conditions without the individual mandate or steep government subsidies.
 
newyorkguy said:
Not taking long for President-elect Trump to begin walking back some of his main campaign promises. The Wall may be a fence? Jailing Hillary:

But his surrogate Kellyanne Conway is warning Senator Harry Reid:

Reid had called Trump a "sexual predator" and said his campaign had been fueled by "bigotry and hate."

Reid responded to Conway's veiled threat:

Unbelievable.
Click to expand...
That's the thing - nothing about Trump is unbelievable.
 
thaiboxerken said:
There is no way to protect people with pre-existing conditions without the individual mandate or steep government subsidies.
Click to expand...

Then people with pre-existing conditions will be abandoned and the Trump White House will say that they'd have loved to keep that provision in if only Obamacare hadn't been so horribly, horribly flawed :rolleyes:

They'll keep on with the message that people who lose their coverage when Obamacare is repealed only have Obama to blame (for implementing such a flawed system) and if anything they should be grateful to Trump and his allies for trying, but sadly failing, to keep the one useful provision.
 
acbytesla said:
Germany had been suffering in economic turmoil and the horrible terms of the Treaty of Versailles. He took office and told the French to go screw themselves as Germany was no longer going to pay war reparations. And the German people loved that.
Click to expand...

FWIW the notion of suffering under the ToV is mostly propaganda. The Weimar republic suffered because of severe fiscal mismanagement and chronic political dysfunction. Hitler brought temporary stability, fiscal competence in the form of Hjalmar Schacht, and made people feel like they finally had a representative in the halls of power again.
 
Wolrab said:
Other than the deplorable racism against white people being stated as fact by many posters, I think my favorite stupid observation is that no college towns went red. Is this supposed to prove anything? Is that where the smart people live?
Click to expand...

It's false. I forgot who claimed this on the forum (Jrrarglblarg maybe? Sorry if wrong), but it takes very little time to notice it's plainly false.

Were it true, it would indicate the degree to which Trump puts off educated voters, because a college town is better educated than other towns. In fact, even though it's false as stated, it does look like Dems did better in college towns (just eyeballing the map, so don't take my claim too seriously).

Last I knew, and I have attended college in the last decade, college kids are being filled with far left propaganda. Safe spaces, blame whitey, and other such nonsense. Of course the students will vote blue, they are just tools. As they age, they realize that and vote accordingly.
Click to expand...

I can't speak about universities as a whole, but my campus is certainly not like that.
 
Last edited:
TubbaBlubba said:
FWIW the notion of suffering under the ToV is mostly propaganda. The Weimar republic suffered because of severe fiscal mismanagement and chronic political dysfunction. Hitler brought temporary stability, fiscal competence in the form of Hjalmar Schacht, and made people feel like they finally had a representative in the halls of power again.
Click to expand...

Well the inflation was intentional because germany never raised taxes during WWI and had huge debt, so they inflated away the debt. And ToV made a convenient excuse to the people hurt by it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
There is no way to protect people with pre-existing conditions without the individual mandate or steep government subsidies.
Click to expand...
They are talking about creating high risk pools, they would have to have government subsidies as the premiums would no doubt be steep. As to how it would be payed for, I don't know, but I don't think he is going to back off on getting rid of the individual mandate.
 
logger said:
Its not up to me when the apocalypse comes. Yes the left is corrupt, I'm really going to mis Wikileaks.
Click to expand...
Because Wikileaks is never going to try anything against Republicans/conservatives. So much for anti-secrecy.
 
The Don said:
Then people with pre-existing conditions will be abandoned and the Trump White House will say that they'd have loved to keep that provision in if only Obamacare hadn't been so horribly, horribly flawed :rolleyes:

They'll keep on with the message that people who lose their coverage when Obamacare is repealed only have Obama to blame (for implementing such a flawed system) and if anything they should be grateful to Trump and his allies for trying, but sadly failing, to keep the one useful provision.
Click to expand...

This is a possibility, but I don't think it's necessarily a given.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
FWIW the notion of suffering under the ToV is mostly propaganda. The Weimar republic suffered because of severe fiscal mismanagement and chronic political dysfunction. Hitler brought temporary stability, fiscal competence in the form of Hjalmar Schacht, and made people feel like they finally had a representative in the halls of power again.
Click to expand...

Yes, but it was good propaganda. It was the middle of the great depression. Hitler APPEARED STRONG. And people desire strength. It doesn't even matter that it may be phony strength. Hitler made the ToV and the French demons just like he did with the Jews and Gypsies. There is something about stomping on others that elevates one's self esteem. Shameful but true There's a reason Schadenfreude is a German word.

Trump epitomizes phony strength. He is all bluster and blowhard. He's no John Wayne or Gary Cooper. He's the neighborhood bully and we damn well better find someone to stand up to him.
 
Last edited:
trustbutverify said:
Then what his supporters really want, contrary to their slogan-shouting, is to be lied to. Fair enough.
Click to expand...
I think most of the people who voted for Trump are well past the point where lying is what distinguishes one politician from another.

People didn't vote for Trump in a vacuum. By the standard you say they should apply, I don't think Hillary measures up any better in their eyes.
 
theprestige said:
I think most of the people who voted for Trump are well past the point where lying is what distinguishes one politician from another.

People didn't vote for Trump in a vacuum. By the standard you say they should apply, I don't think Hillary measures up any better in their eyes.
Click to expand...

Well Trump's buddies have been spreading lies about her for more than 20 years, what do you expect?
 
acbytesla said:
Yes, but it was good propaganda. It was the middle of the great depression. Hitler APPEARED STRONG. And people desire strength. It doesn't even matter that it may be phony strength...
...
Trump epitomizes phony strength. He is all bluster and blowhard. He's no John Wayne or Gary Cooper. He's the neighborhood bully and we damn well better find someone to stand up to him.
Click to expand...

Trump is wavering like crazy now, though. Hitler was always clear about following through on his promises (to the people, not to other politicians), and his strength was not really phony - he had a immense resolve, determination and wilpower. He made clear his intention to abolish democracy and make Germany great again - he was less overt about invading Russia, but still pretty clear if you were in the right circles.

Trump does have Hitler's ability to lie with a brazen disregard for facts, but I don't think he has Hitler's prudency. I don't think Trump can make people feel like they got their vote's worth. Hitler always had a clear idea of what to do, and made a lot of that clear to the people. Trump doesn't seem to.

But we'll see. Maybe he's just pandering to Democrats across the aisle in order to gain wider support in face of their resignation. His radical satraps will probably keep his base happy, and a lot of his voters are probably happy about him backing down on some promises.
 
This may belong in another thread, but there are so many Trump threads I'm just picking this one.

Though it's probably not good for me, I'm starting my days looking for headlines of Trump doing (or more likely saying) something outrageous. CNN's top Trump transition story, as of maybe 5 minutes ago, is based entirely on Lesley Stahl's "60 Minutes" interview, which was taped Friday but aired Sunday. Granted, CNN is not the only media outlet doing this but it reminds me of a kitten chasing its own tail. I had a long career in media, and the first thing I notice is what Trump said in his "first televised interview" Sunday. Nowhere in the story did it acknowledge the interview was taped Friday.

But that's not my beef. It's this line paragraph:

It was a powerful appeal to a nation ripped apart by the divisive 2016 campaign. Trump's election has left Democrats angry and many minorities fearful about the future.
Click to expand...

"Powerful," "ripped," "divisive," "angry," "fearful." CNN is essentially telling readers what to think and feel (I almost always read CNN rather than watching clips). The story was so stale I can imagine an editor or rewrite person busily tweaking the piece making sure a checklist of words is included: powerful, divisive, angry, fearful.

But that's not even my objection. I would have done the same thing. It's the casual assumption that the campaign caused the divisiveness, instead of the divisiveness causing the campaign.

I want new words, fresh words, walking-back-the-walking-back words, but most of all I want the news based on what Trump said or did this morning, not Friday. The sane thing to do is realize that Donald goes into eclipse periodically and is not delivering bombshells 24/7, so get on with my life. Right. ;)
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom