a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
Is he going to keep his promise and lock her up? His conciliatory speech could be his first broken promise. Hillary haters will be devastated.
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SezMe
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McConnell has already said they (the Senate) are going to repeal the ACA. On this I'd say McConnell a) has more power and b) knows how to put his views into action. Trump will just be collateral damage.
SezMe
post-pre-born
Good gawd, something other than an emoticon. The world really has changed.
SezMe
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Yep, you guys own both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. But remember, Pottery Barn rules.
acbytesla
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They are going screw the poor and middle class like it hasn't been screwed in years. ACA, gone, anti union legislation for sure. Consumer and Environmental protection gone. Banking regulations, forgetaboutit. Grease up your asses America, you're going to need it. Estate taxes will be a thing of the past. Toll roads everywhere. They'll be privatizing the interstate highway system selling it all off. This will be all their greatest hits.
SezMe
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I don't find it to be a perplexing question. The hubris. The ego. The lying. The racism. The sense of entitlement. I think it is all baked in. WYSIWYG to the core.
rdaneel
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There is one thing I'm hoping for that could be a silver lining if it happens. It seems to me entirely possible that President Trump could end up making both McConnell and Ryan miserable.
SezMe
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And the rubes bought it.
Prediction: two years from now you'll be pissed at Trump for not doing a damn thing he said he would, except maybe dump the ACA.
phiwum
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Pretty sure a number of the states you list have signed on to this pact. I know MA has.
AlaskaBushPilot
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I'll take Trump as he comes. He's a bit of a wild card but first things first:
Obama just had Citibank name the appointed posts, as we can see from Wikileaks. So the banks just had a representative. They funded his campaign as they funded Hillary's now. She told them exactly what they wanted to know as per wikileaks Goldman-Sachs speeches.
Trump is going to name a cabinet and we'll see who they are. Newt Gingrich is the first red flag for any establishment radar. Especially Secretary of State. This position has been hyper-critical to the Military-Industrial-Security Complex.
State approves all the weapons deals. It (under Hillary especially) serves as the conduit for illegal arms transfers too, for covert resources to mercinaries and etc. Trump is not as wildly reckless as Hillary, but nowhere near my idea of a non-interventionist. He'd have to appoint Ron Paul to State.
But Gingrich? That's a rock that needs looking under.
Obama just had Citibank name the appointed posts, as we can see from Wikileaks. So the banks just had a representative. They funded his campaign as they funded Hillary's now. She told them exactly what they wanted to know as per wikileaks Goldman-Sachs speeches.
Trump is going to name a cabinet and we'll see who they are. Newt Gingrich is the first red flag for any establishment radar. Especially Secretary of State. This position has been hyper-critical to the Military-Industrial-Security Complex.
State approves all the weapons deals. It (under Hillary especially) serves as the conduit for illegal arms transfers too, for covert resources to mercinaries and etc. Trump is not as wildly reckless as Hillary, but nowhere near my idea of a non-interventionist. He'd have to appoint Ron Paul to State.
But Gingrich? That's a rock that needs looking under.
acbytesla
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Trump had already signaled he was going to make a Goldman Sachs executive Treasury Secretary.
Puppycow
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I don't really know who Omarosa is, but I take it she's someone who is famous because she was a contestant on Trump's reality TV show?
I don't doubt that Trump will try to settle scores with those he feels have slighted him.
Cain
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A few scattered thoughts.
First, regarding the "surge" it looks like Trump, at this point, received fewer votes than either John McCain or Mitt Romney (or Hillary Clinton for that matter). Even an aggressive deportation/labor camp policy cannot alter long-term demographics.
Unfortunately, the EC yet again favored the Republican. Four years ago Donald Trump was saying the EC was a "disaster for democracy." I always hope the Republican will win the popular vote, but only garner a minority of electoral votes. While perhaps optimistic, I still think the Electoral College could offer future advantages to Democrats.
As for the Skeptic Tanks of the world talking about white people, I see a problem there as well. According to the exit polls (if we believe the exit polls), Romney won a bigger percentage of the white vote than Trump. Trump outperformed Romney when it came to all minorities (Blacks, Latinos, Asians). Now one could say the white people voting for Trump were motivated by white identity politics, but the share of white people declined.
Trump did one percentage point better with men than Romney did against Obama (and slightly worse with women). According to the polls, men were up 1% relative to women in this cycle (but who knows how much rounding is involved).
Getting lost in all of this Trumpism is what anti-Trump Republicans have long been saying: Almost any other mainstream Republican other than Bush would have probably destroyed Clinton. Kasich, Romney, or Rubio.
Here are links to exit polls:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/national/president
First, regarding the "surge" it looks like Trump, at this point, received fewer votes than either John McCain or Mitt Romney (or Hillary Clinton for that matter). Even an aggressive deportation/labor camp policy cannot alter long-term demographics.
Unfortunately, the EC yet again favored the Republican. Four years ago Donald Trump was saying the EC was a "disaster for democracy." I always hope the Republican will win the popular vote, but only garner a minority of electoral votes. While perhaps optimistic, I still think the Electoral College could offer future advantages to Democrats.
As for the Skeptic Tanks of the world talking about white people, I see a problem there as well. According to the exit polls (if we believe the exit polls), Romney won a bigger percentage of the white vote than Trump. Trump outperformed Romney when it came to all minorities (Blacks, Latinos, Asians). Now one could say the white people voting for Trump were motivated by white identity politics, but the share of white people declined.
Trump did one percentage point better with men than Romney did against Obama (and slightly worse with women). According to the polls, men were up 1% relative to women in this cycle (but who knows how much rounding is involved).
Getting lost in all of this Trumpism is what anti-Trump Republicans have long been saying: Almost any other mainstream Republican other than Bush would have probably destroyed Clinton. Kasich, Romney, or Rubio.
Here are links to exit polls:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/national/president
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Noztradamus
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But you lost.
Puppycow
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Weird. Although the CNN one is from 2012. However, I don't think it is correct that "Romney won a bigger percentage of the white vote than Trump" according to the NYT data. Trump got 1% more of the white vote, but that may not be significant. Incredibly, Trump did 8% better among Latinos than Romney. Apparently much better among low income people and whites without a college degree. Women was almost unchanged, but men went more for Trump (or perhaps against Hillary). Some people had a hard time accepting that. I don't know if this election proves that "America hates women" but maybe it proves that America hates Hillary Clinton. Whether that is rational or not.
Hlafordlaes
Disorder of Kilopi
Quite willing to agree it is harder to parse what we are all saying these days. I have great respect for you and pls don't take my post as harshly as it may have been expressed.
I think I'll let guns as a topic lie dormant with such a full plate already in this thread.
What it means as I intended it is that the dangers of totalitarianism have been crystal clear since WWII, and the US used to know how to teach students about those dangers and make them recognizable in today's guises.
Fair enough. As to the point I was making about this being a different world, here is an article from today on Reuters, a brief read.
Trump won more Democrats than Hillary did Republicans.
More people voted for Trump in part because they disliked Hillary, than for Hillary because they disliked Trump.
In other words, Trump was elected on the basis of being the lesser evil.
McHrozni
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what makes you think Trump isn't as wildly reckless as Clinton? After all, Trump supported the invasion of Iraq AND intervention in Libya. (The only difference between Clinton and Trump in that regard is Trump's tendency to lie after the fact and claim he was against it.) Plus you have all his other screwed up ideas... killing the families of terrorists (a war crime), taking the oil of countries that the U.S. "helps".
So Trump will be just as eager to throw around American military weight as Clinton, only without the experience, intelligence and moral compass that other leaders have had.
ponderingturtle
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That is good because rural people are better whiter people than city people.
ponderingturtle
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A lot of them do know it is BS. For example many of his supporters don't think the wall was ever serious even though it is the corner stone of his campaign.
He is like the Bible he says so many contradictory things that everyone can choose to believe that he will actually support the percentage of things they agree with and not do the dumb things they don't agree with.
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