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Do I really have to explain this too? Go listen to rally speeches, nothing about policy.
Its amazing how your side puts her on a pedestal, funny thing is there isn't much difference between the two, which is why it was such a volatile campaign. Happy to educate you.
Perhaps you could take the time to examine the difference between pointing out an area where someone is ignorant, and calling that same person an idiot. If that is a distinction that eludes you, perhaps it is a topic about which you are ignorant.

Thank you, however, for generously granting me an entire "side".
 
Yes that's me, ready to retire at 43 and a WINNER. ;)
The beauty of it is, I'm not calling these people stupid, Trump is.

I'm not fully of the mind that millions who got played by one of the most ignorant people of all time, a demonstrated liar and con man, are stupid, but intelligence is certainly not their defining characteristic.
 
Ironically (remember Trump's constant refrain that the "system is rigged"), Hillary Clinton joins that small group of people who ran for president and lost despite winning more popular votes, roughly 219,762 more.
Popular vote:
  1. Clinton - 59,755,284
  2. Trump - 59,535,522

But she just didn't get the right votes. She lost Florida and Pennsylvania by a combined 188,006 votes. If she had won those two states she'd have been elected president.
 
Do I really have to explain this too? Go listen to rally speeches, nothing about policy.
Its amazing how your side puts her on a pedestal, funny thing is there isn't much difference between the two, which is why it was such a volatile campaign. Happy to educate you.

Bull. I read many of his speeches. I've never heard anyone ramble on with so little detail. "America, I'm the only one who can solve your problems. I'll make America great. Never how. I forgot, you guys believe a mythical guy in the sky can solve all your problems without telling anyone how, so why not believe the bile from the orange buffoon.
 
Ironically (remember Trump's constant refrain that the "system is rigged"), Hillary Clinton joins that small group of people who ran for president and lost despite winning more popular votes, roughly 219,762 more.


But she just didn't get the right votes. She lost Florida and Pennsylvania by a combined 188,006 votes. If she had won those two states she'd have been elected president.

I get Florida, that was always close. Every time ever I looked at the polling in Pennsylvania Clinton was up by 10 points.
 
Ironically (remember Trump's constant refrain that the "system is rigged"), Hillary Clinton joins that small group of people who ran for president and lost despite winning more popular votes, roughly 219,762 more.


But she just didn't get the right votes. She lost Florida and Pennsylvania by a combined 188,006 votes. If she had won those two states she'd have been elected president.

And if the situation was reversed how does one think the Donald would take it?

Concession phone call? No.
Multiple lawsuits? Yes
Calling for an end to the Electoral College? Yes
Never ever conceding? Yes.
 
Perhaps the best idea is to reign in those long term predictions and focus on the now? Panicky predictions are superstitious-like and serve no good purpose.

My opinion in relation to prediction is that the 'wall' will remain figurative, nazi white power attitudes will not prevail over the rational, the rational still exist within the USofA and continue to have a voice, America could do with a bit of self help rather than investing in trying to help the rest of the world with its problems...rebuild and strengthen what you have, become 'great' again...although I personally don't know when that ever happened...far as I can tell, only Britain ever had that title...but I get the sentiment and agree with its worthy principle...fix yourself and then help the world...that would indeed be Great.

Already Trump has said as much, in his speech last night after Hillary finished congratulating him via phone.

Early days. Do not panic.
 
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Trump is starting off by finally getting rid of the conspiracy of global warming perpetarting by scientists.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/09/trump_s_pick_to_lead_epa_transition_team_is_a_proud_climate_skeptic.html

I am reminded of Eric the Viking and Hy Brazil.

I think that is one area where I expect Trump to have a serious impact. Weakening environmental protections. Remember, most of these laws were passed because of environmental degradation and public demands the federal government take steps to protect the environment. Not because of the right wing meme that 'gubmint don't like business.' Also he is talking about weakening regulations over medical drugs. These are laws designed to protect consumers. There are many unscrupulous people out there that will gladly sell the public worthless medications if they see a profit.

He wants to scrap the Affordable Care Act and may be able to. Ironically, some the changes he wants to make were in the original legislation but were amended in order to get Republican support. It appeared then and appears now that the Republican Party is pretty much in step with the big insurance companies, medical providers and pharmaceutical firms. They liked the old way.

Also appointing the Supreme Court justices. Appointing justices like Roberts, Thomas and Scalia who are conservatives with a clear political agenda. That may eventually have an enormous impact on our society. I expect to see abortion rights and gay rights under attack.

Maybe worst of all, behind-the-scenes I expect Trump to try and game the system, it's what he has always done. And usually not too successfully.
 
Don't ascribe the views of the loudmouth few to a whole swath of people. I'm almost completely certain that neither racism nor homophobia have much of anything to do with the outcome of this election. Those aren't the issues at play here. A large number of states have already made strides for gay equality, in the face of a lack of progress from a liberal president. The racial issues currently at play in the US are already a topic of conversation, and will receive attention regardless of the skin color of the person in office (even if that skin is orange).

Your idea of "will receive attention" sounds outright dangerous, if not condescending. You are using the excuse that if one has done one unbigoted thing, one can no longer be or act a bigot.

There are other issues that many people view as being more pressing. In particular, there are a large number of gun owners who very likely voted against Clinton, simply because they perceive that she would aggressively and purposefully seek to infringe the second amendment. You might agree that gun rights should be tackled... but there are a very many Americans who very strongly disagree.

In response to unfiltered fear mongering, not fact.

Additionally, there is a very large portion of America that is completely dissatisfied with the financial state of our country. Government shut-downs, furloughs, and a constantly rising debt are things that many people find unacceptable. There's plenty of argument to be made that republicans have contributed to the financial situation as much as democrats have... but at the end of the day, it's the republican side that *claims* to want to get that debt under control; democrats haven't addressed the situation with any intent. In fact, many of the policies that democrats support are very specifically things that will cost more money, increase our debt, and increase taxes. Democrats might say they'll increase taxes on the wealthy... but what democrats continuously fail to hear is that most Americans don't want taxes to increase on anyone - they want the government to spend less money.

Well, econ is not your strong suit, I reckon.

There are a bunch of other issues, certainly. I don't follow them all. But at the end of the day, I think you guys are ignoring the voice of the people. You're insisting that all of Trump's supporters are actually pro-Trump (rather than anti-Clinton), and you're condescendingly declaring that they're all giant dummies, and that's why Clinton lost - it's not that people have things they care about that Clinton failed to address or that represent an opposition to the democratic platform - it's just that they're all stupid, that's all. :rolleyes: You end up acting as if the voice of all of those people doesn't matter, because you think they're stupid and what is important to them should be ignored, because you think you know better.

Sorry, but anyone who paid attention in 10th grade European History class knows enough. I studied that in the US. At public school. What, they only thumb-suck and pop opiates, now?

Quit blaming this failure on "people are too stupid... waaahhh!". Start trying to figure out what's actually important to people, and how important it is. Start trying to figure out where the democratic platform is failing to address those needs. Start trying to understand what alternative Trump is representing.

None. There is a global labor surplus. I believe this was discussed some time ago on ISF wrt to unemployment insurance and so on. Very different approaches will be needed. Right now, with structural issues unattended, you get the highly and increasingly disparate incomes.

That someone as asinine as Trump managed to win this election deserves a LOT more attention from you. Dismissing it like a child calling another a poopy-head isn't going to gain you any traction, nor is it going to aid you in the next election cycle. Treat this as the wake-up call that it is.

Given that the very real issues America faces actually relate to becoming a more pragmatic, fact-based, reasoned place, what do you suggest? The 21st century is decidedly not the 20th, even if it may face similar dangers, or worse. Trump is the imaginary Maginot Line against the dangers of the world. We all know how fighting and working on yesterday's assumptions can lead to catastrophic failure.

The game is geopolitics, power the currency. This currency is backed by cash and influence, only partially by muscle. Cash accrues best to those with large internal markets from which to gain the production volume and economies of scale in innovation and research to outcompete others. This is what the USA did in the second half of the 20th century. This is the 21st century, the largest market is no longer the USA, that old motor will no longer win all the races, even not for lack of trying. That new world is a result not just of trade agreements good or poor, but from contemporary market structure.

Now, USA, plan your future. My guess is that you could use friends of similar mind, exactly those you plan to push furthest away right now, exactly those who are in shock.
 
I think the most important question is who is going to host the White House Correspondents Dinner?
 
Lol

The right here has suffered all kinds of abuse and now my post is just too much for you. I'm never letting leftists forget this pivotal generational loss they have suffered, get used to it, because I'm enjoying it.

Wonder how many tears Tony has been slurping down? Were you upset at his rhetoric?
I said mildly psychotic. That was perhaps a mistaken impression. However, if you're enjoying yourself, your favourite entertainment is harmless, and I wish you the best of fun.
 
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