Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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newyorkguy said:
You're implying you have no worries or concerns about Trump whatsoever. Okay but it's very hard for me to understand how someone could say that and really mean it. Trump has seemed to have left a trail of victims in his wake. People who have trusted him have been been crapped on and that pattern has repeated itself for literally decades. How someone can ignore that is very hard for me to fathom.
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White people. He hasn't had anything negative to say about white, gun owning Americans. That's the 1 group that has escaped any form of insult from Trump.

ETA: I wanted to clarify. I have absolutely no idea what ethnicity or heritage TBD comes from, and that wasn't directed at him. I was merely just supplying a group of people that seem to have been insult free.
 
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newyorkguy said:
You're implying you have no worries or concerns about Trump whatsoever. Okay but it's very hard for me to understand how someone could say that and really mean it. Trump has seemed to have left a trail of victims in his wake. People who have trusted him have been been crapped on and that pattern has repeated itself for literally decades. How someone can ignore that is very hard for me to fathom.
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Checks and balances obviously.

Hillary and her despicable crew are con men.

Plus Hillary is obviously mentally ill.
 
The Big Dog said:
Checks and balances obviously.

Hillary and her despicable crew are con men.

Plus Hillary is obviously mentally ill.
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And you say absolutely no mental health issues with Trump at all? Nothing in the slightest you can think of that might be a little weird?
 
plague311 said:
And you say absolutely no mental health issues with Trump at all? Nothing in the slightest you can think of that might be a little weird?
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Even if that were so, that is where the checks and balances fits in.

The most frightening thing is that people might think that Hillary is not a con man.
 
The Big Dog said:
Checks and balances obviously.
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What checks and balances? The Republican Congress that will pucker up and kiss his ass? The majority conservative SCOTUS? The Military which Trump promises to transform into sycophants who will do his bidding and tell him what he wants?

The Big Dog said:
Hillary and her despicable crew are con men.

Plus Hillary is obviously mentally ill.
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Hillary and her crew are con men? LMAO. And what has Trump been his entire life? A con man who has cheated virtually every one he has come in contact with.
Christie who shuts down access to the busiest bridge in the nation as retribution because the Democratic mayor of that town wouldn't endorse him? Gingrich who is saddled with considerable ethical issues of his own.

Whatever Big Dog. We get it.
 
The Big Dog said:
Compared to Hillary's gang of thieves? The only thing that worries me is that a corrupt insider like Hillary would get elected.
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The Big Dog said:
I answered it. Re read it.
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Well there it is at the top of this post. I see 2 sentences about Clinton, and no mention of Trump. I will agree that you responded to the question. You certainly did not answer it.
 
The Big Dog said:
Checks and balances obviously.

Hillary and her despicable crew are con men.

Plus Hillary is obviously mentally ill.
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Since she's obviously a lizard person, and since we know so little about lizard people mental health, I don't see where you get off with such a claim. How can you not see how obvious this all is?
 
The idea seems to be, elect someone like Trump and he's a gamechanger. The elites and insiders have ruled too long. That's why the system isn't working. But what do we get to replace it?

Newt Gingrich as an example. He is a solid Trump backer and will probably have a lot of influence if Trump were to be elected. Gingrich had the idea that the laws on child labor should be relaxed. He said especially in low-income neighborhoods, most of the kids don't go on to college. Thus it could be valuable to them to start their working careers earlier. Maybe at 14. And expand the kinds of jobs they'd be permitted to hold. Gingrich is also opposed to unemployment insurance ("Why is the government paying people not to work?") and minimum wage laws.

What kind of a society would this be? It doesn't sound like the plan is to build a more civilized society, it sounds more like the plan is payback to all the groups conservatives and reactionaries don't like.
 
newyorkguy said:
The idea seems to be, elect someone like Trump and he's a gamechanger. The elites and insiders have ruled too long. That's why the system isn't working. But what do we get to replace it?

Newt Gingrich as an example. He is a solid Trump backer and will probably have a lot of influence if Trump were to be elected. Gingrich had the idea that the laws on child labor should be relaxed. He said especially in low-income neighborhoods, most of the kids don't go on to college. Thus it could be valuable to them to start their working careers earlier. Maybe at 14. And expand the kinds of jobs they'd be permitted to hold. Gingrich is also opposed to unemployment insurance ("Why is the government paying people not to work?") and minimum wage laws.

What kind of a society would this be? It doesn't sound like the plan is to build a more civilized society, it sounds more like the plan is payback to all the groups conservatives and reactionaries don't like.
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Maybe it's an example of cargo-cult culture. US progress was arguably most rapid during a period when there was racial segregation, child labour, immigrants living in ghettos, there was little or no employee or environmental protection. If only the US could return to those exact same conditions then they could enjoy the same rapid progress.

Of course that ignores the fact that the world is a much different place, that there isn't a million square miles of empty (first nation Americans do not count) country with abundant raw materials to exploit and that people of all ages, races and classed actually expect some kind of quality of life.
 
The Big Dog said:
Even if that were so, that is where the checks and balances fits in.
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You may want to check fate of last poster (WildCat) that tried "checks and balances will totally save us from candidate A, but somehow magically won't work against candidate B" argument.

newyorkguy said:
What kind of a society would this be?
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Probably something similiar to 18th century capitalism, just with modern decor. That one worked out oh so well, eh?
 
newyorkguy said:
I think you're saying you want Trump because he will destroy our system by getting rid of all the Washington insiders. I don't think that's very likely to happen but for the sake of argument say it is possible.
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Of course it's unlikely. Trump IS the establishment, too. He's a rich guy who benefits from the statu quo, just like the rest of them. He thinks of no one but himself, so the odds of him "shaking up the system" are very slim. And if he does, there's no telling _how_ he'll do it, since, again, he cares only for his own skin and has no idea how a government or state works. So at best, he's a self-centered, ineffective version of Hillary, and at worst, he's a total wild card. Why vote for him, again?
 
Tero said:
Courts would reject Weiner laptop evidence. Even an impeachment based on the info in it would be very tricky due to invasion of privacy. Hillary is done being Secretary of State so this is no longer work place/firing based, merely a witch hunt before election.
http://fortune.com/2016/11/01/fbi-clinton-email/
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The contention is that due to carelessness, classified documents ended up on a non-secure server, and may have propagated out onto non-secure devices, and from there possibly into enemy hands to the detriment of National Security.

A different take on "Fruit of the Poisoous Tree", but I think the concept fits.

The above allegations would surely trump any privacy concerns.
 
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