Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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Bogative said:
Is there really any doubt, though? He said in his internal memo to the FBI that investigators from another case brought emails found during their investigation to his attention, that's why he requested the search warrant for Wiener's laptop.

If there are not emails on Wiener's computer from the State Department then someone in the FBI is lying, either the investigators on Wiener's case or the director himself. And whoever issued the search warrant fell for the ruse as well. Seems awful risky with such a high profile case just to try to influence an election in favor of a candidate that's going to lose anyway.
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He said the emails found might be pertinent to the Clinton email investigation. That means they hadn't really looked yet.

So, yes, there is serious doubt.
 
I don't think there is much doubt that there are work emails on the computer. Huma admitted to the FBI that she forwarded emails from her state.gov account to her Yahoo account because it was easier to print that way.

The question is whether they contain evidence of criminal activity. I highly doubt it, especially not by Hillary.
 
uke2se said:
He said the emails found might be pertinent to the Clinton email investigation. That means they hadn't really looked yet.

So, yes, there is serious doubt.
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Tony Stark said:
I don't think there is much doubt that there are work emails on the computer. Huma admitted to the FBI that she forwarded emails from her state.gov account to her Yahoo account because it was easier to print that way.

The question is whether they contain evidence of criminal activity. I highly doubt it, especially not by Hillary.
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Pure speculation: If the FBI found that whatever was in the metadata could be related to the Clinton email investigation, I don't think that a "state.gov" address would have tickled that particular foot. The emails to and from "state.gov" aren't really of interest. They would have to have seen an address or two from the private server in order to make the connection to the Clinton investigation. So, I think it's obvious that there are indeed emails on this laptop from the private server. The only question is whether or not they are anything different from what they've already seen. I think the chances are greater that Huma Abedin gets in trouble than Hillary Clinton but that's still an open question surrounded by a bunch of "I don't know."
 
Here's what I don't get, yes you CAN backup emails to your hard drive. However, it's not something that a random person would do. They certainly wouldn't do it while backing up their contacts, that doesn't make sense. It's an involved process that, generally, requires third party software to backup a bunch of emails. The FBI said there's something like 650k emails? Who keeps 650K emails laying around? Certainly not me, and I have a **** ton of IT emails that I am required to hold on to for many reasons. I don't even have 10k emails laying around.

Something is off here and I can't wait until we get more information about this.
 
xjx388 said:
Pure speculation: If the FBI found that whatever was in the metadata could be related to the Clinton email investigation, I don't think that a "state.gov" address would have tickled that particular foot. The emails to and from "state.gov" aren't really of interest. They would have to have seen an address or two from the private server in order to make the connection to the Clinton investigation. So, I think it's obvious that there are indeed emails on this laptop from the private server. The only question is whether or not they are anything different from what they've already seen. I think the chances are greater that Huma Abedin gets in trouble than Hillary Clinton but that's still an open question surrounded by a bunch of "I don't know."
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Huma had her own email address that went through the domain registered on the server. Anything she sent or received from Hillary would have metadata related to the server. That's the point. Without anything more than metadata to go off of, Comey should have shut his mouth until he knew if the emails were anything more than "I will meet you at the next press event Hillary".
 
plague311 said:
From what I understand they didn't read the emails, they were going off of metadata. Two completely different things.
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uke2se said:
He said the emails found might be pertinent to the Clinton email investigation. That means they hadn't really looked yet.

So, yes, there is serious doubt.
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I should clear up that when I was responding to quadraginta saying "if it turns out there are, you mean" I thought he meant that there were not any emails at all on Wiener's computer when he actually meant classified emails. I'm aware that at the time Comey sent his letter to Congress no one in the FBI had yet read emails, only that there were emails on the laptop. Sorry for any confusion.
 
xjx388 said:
Pure speculation: If the FBI found that whatever was in the metadata could be related to the Clinton email investigation, I don't think that a "state.gov" address would have tickled that particular foot. The emails to and from "state.gov" aren't really of interest. They would have to have seen an address or two from the private server in order to make the connection to the Clinton investigation. So, I think it's obvious that there are indeed emails on this laptop from the private server.
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Probably, like Clinton mailing Abedin.

xjx388 said:
The only question is whether or not they are anything different from what they've already seen. I think the chances are greater that Huma Abedin gets in trouble than Hillary Clinton but that's still an open question surrounded by a bunch of "I don't know."
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Indeed - I don't believe it likely that there are classified emails from Clinton to Abedin in there. And that's what the criminal investigation was about, yes ?

But with the sheer number of emails, would the agents investigating Weiner really have broken the law and looked at the emails, and been able to determine that there was classified info ? What other kind of info woult prompt "re-opening" (or whatever) the investigation ?

There's a whole lot of IDK left, but none of it makes comeys decision or the FBI look very good, IMO.

I am, however, trying to wait for more concrete details.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Opinions expressed here may not be my own.


Although Comey has been extremely careless in his handling of very sensitive information, and potentially in violation of the Hatch Act, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. All such cases that have been prosecuted successfully involved clearly intentional and willful violation of law or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
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The Hatch Act is more an employment rule than a law. It's not a crime, there aren't really prosecutions for violating. No, you're bosses find out you're violating the law and fire you citing your violation of the law. If you challenge your dismissal, the government can point to the violation as justification.
 
xjx388 said:
Pure speculation: If the FBI found that whatever was in the metadata could be related to the Clinton email investigation, I don't think that a "state.gov" address would have tickled that particular foot.
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I don't think they looked at even the metadata of the emails without a warrant. I think they found that the computer contained emails belonging to Huma and they immediately knew that they needed warrant to look at that.

These are career investigators, they aren't going to risk their jobs by overreaching their existing warrant and looking into something that could get them fired. The mortgage company wants their money no matter who is in the Oval Office.
 
acbytesla said:
The Hatch Act is more an employment rule than a law. It's not a crime, there aren't really prosecutions for violating. No, you're bosses find out you're violating the law and fire you citing your violation of the law. If you challenge your dismissal, the government can point to the violation as justification.
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I took W.D. Clinger's post as a juxtaposition of Comey's comments about Clinton from the summer. One that deserves more recognition than it has been given, in fact.
 
plague311 said:
Here's what I don't get, yes you CAN backup emails to your hard drive. However, it's not something that a random person would do. They certainly wouldn't do it while backing up their contacts, that doesn't make sense. It's an involved process that, generally, requires third party software to backup a bunch of emails. The FBI said there's something like 650k emails? Who keeps 650K emails laying around? Certainly not me, and I have a **** ton of IT emails that I am required to hold on to for many reasons. I don't even have 10k emails laying around.

Something is off here and I can't wait until we get more information about this.
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Outlook will archive automatically and keeps everything in a local PST file.
 
Is it clear that all of the emails are Huma's? Maybe the 650k figure includes Weiner's.
 
plague311 said:
Here's what I don't get, yes you CAN backup emails to your hard drive. However, it's not something that a random person would do. They certainly wouldn't do it while backing up their contacts, that doesn't make sense. It's an involved process that, generally, requires third party software to backup a bunch of emails. The FBI said there's something like 650k emails? Who keeps 650K emails laying around? Certainly not me, and I have a **** ton of IT emails that I am required to hold on to for many reasons. I don't even have 10k emails laying around.

Something is off here and I can't wait until we get more information about this.
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Using MS Live the process was selecting the folders desired and then choosing the "Archive" option.

It didn't really seem all that involved, and unless you are counting the Live email client as a third party then there wasn't any other software involved. Although I think the process was much the same when on-line.

Since its been discontinued the only way to access MS accounts through Microsoft without paying for MS Office is on-line*, and as nearly as I can tell the archiving process is still the same.

Maybe other email arrangements are harder.

(*: I've tried a few alternative public domain email clients, and although they seem to be mostly serviceable they all seem to have small but irritating issues which have prevented me from wanting to use them regularly.)
 
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Dr. Keith said:
I took W.D. Clinger's post as a juxtaposition of Comey's comments about Clinton from the summer. One that deserves more recognition than it has been given, in fact.
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That was rather the point I was trying to make as well. Comey's and Clinton's positions in this seem remarkably similar.

Dave
 
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