2016 Presidential Debate III

Republicans despondent that Trump threw away final debate

Donald Trump’s rocky performance on the final debate stage did little to allay his party’s concerns that the GOP is headed for an electoral catastrophe up and down the ticket.

In interviews with over a dozen senior Republican strategists, not one said Trump did anything to change the trajectory of a contest that is growing further out of reach. And many said they were deeply distressed by Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the Nov. 8 election, an eyebrow-raising moment already dominating headlines.
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Question.

Was the half brother of Obama actually present at the debate?
Or did that all end with just an idea of inviting him?
 
erwinl said:
Question.

Was the half brother of Obama actually present at the debate?
Or did that all end with just an idea of inviting him?
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Not that it matters much but I have no reason to think he wasn't there.

I guess he did it to troll Obama, but there is enough irony here to go around:

The story behind President Obama’s half brother Malik, whom Trump invited to tonight’s debate

Malik Obama is exactly the kind of man that Donald Trump says he'd like to keep out of the United States. He's a Muslim. He comes from Kenya, a country that has been racked by unrest in recent years and has been the target of terrorists from Somalia, who have fashioned themselves as Islamists. He currently has between three and 12 wives — he won't say exactly how many — and, clearly, doesn't adhere to traditional American family values, however you might define them.

But Malik Obama is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and he's the half brother of the current U.S. president. Most importantly, however, he is an ardent supporter of Donald Trump. At the Trump campaign's request, Malik Obama will be in the audience of tonight's presidential debate in Las Vegas, allowing Trump and his faithful to collectively thumb their nose at President Obama and his favored successor, Hillary Clinton.

It wasn't always this way. Malik Obama was his half brother's best man when Barack Obama married Michelle. Barack Obama performed the same role at one of Malik's weddings.

When GQ profiled Malik in 2013, Malik Obama claimed that he and his half brother shared a knack for leadership because it is “all in the genes.”

Somewhere between 2013 and this year, though, Malik soured on Barack. Part of the reason for that may be that he feels spurned by his successful and popular half brother.

“My brother didn’t help me at all,” Malik told the New York Post, referring to a foundation he started in their shared father's name. “He wanted me to shut it down when I set it up. He hasn’t supported me at all.”

Inspired by Barack, Malik once tried to run for the position of governor in Siaya, the district of Kenya along the northern shores of Lake Victoria that his father hailed from. He got 1 percent of the vote. In the United States, Malik has worked mostly as an accountant for organizations in and around the D.C. area, including the American Red Cross, Lockheed Martin and Fannie Mae. He is registered to vote in Maryland. He'll be casting his ballot for Trump.
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Kind of a sad story, and I sort of feel for the guy even. His brother is the most powerful man on the planet, but little good it does him. I think his support for Trump is out of personal resentment toward his brother more than any sort of natural ideological affinity for Trump.
 
Good morning. What came through in all three debates is that Donald, had a one liner zinger response to the questions. Blamed anything and everything on someone else. Usually Obama and Clinton but also anyone who has said anything he doesn't like, like the women that are accusing him of sexual assault. Then go into rambling nonsense mode of a paranoid dictator. He not only doesn't understand any of the issues, he has made no attempt to learn about them. He seems to think that while Hillary was a senator or Secretary of state, that she could act alone, and do anything she wanted. It's her fault that he could get away without paying taxes. It's her fault that he can get illegal aliens to work for him. It's her fault that he is able to get his ties and steal from China, his suits from Mexico and so on. He has no understanding how a democratic system works. If he thinks a single senator can simply pass any law they want without going through the system, just how deluded is his understanding of the power of the President? I'm assuming he just writes off Obama as weak and that's why Obama couldn't just do whatever he wanted at any given time. If his behavior at these debates is an example of his brilliant negotiating skills he claims to have, he will get nothing done as president. He can stay on topic for about 15 minutes and then loses it. He has said in the past, if a negotiation isn't going his way, he will walk away from them. If he wasn't on National TV, he would have walked out after 15 minutes in each of these debates. Probably quoting Cartman from South Park, "Screw you guys. I'm going home." When Clinton said that Putin wanted Trump to win because he wanted a puppet in office, Trump's response had all of the eloquence of a 5 year old who just got insulted. "No, you're the puppet. You're the puppet" So many times his debating skills boiled down to "I know you are so what am I?" For a guy who questions others stamina, he clearly showed he has very little himself.
 
Puppycow said:
Not that it matters much but I have no reason to think he wasn't there.

I guess he did it to troll Obama, but there is enough irony here to go around:

The story behind President Obama’s half brother Malik, whom Trump invited to tonight’s debate



Kind of a sad story, and I sort of feel for the guy even. His brother is the most powerful man on the planet, but little good it does him. I think his support for Trump is out of personal resentment toward his brother more than any sort of natural ideological affinity for Trump.
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Ok. But if there was no attention to him during the debates, then it really didn't matter, did it?
Unless Trump really thought that just the thought of him being there, somewhere in the public, not saying anything, not being highlighted, just being there, or maybe not, would faze Hillary Clinton?

Says more about Trump than about anybody else.

But I believe that comment has been made before. :)
 
I guess ever since trying to get traction with the Birth certificate, Trump wanted to play the Obama-Half-brother card, and realized that this was his last chance.

I really think Trump pushed most undecided into the Clinton camp with his utterly uninformed views and plans about abortion.
 
It was also a testament to his ignorance that he is wondering why India grows at a faster rate than the US...
 
marplots said:
He didn't actually say that. What Trump said is that he would decide at the time whether to accept the results or not. Presumably, such a decision would be based on whether he thought there was fraud.
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But he already thinks (or at least claims) that the election is rigged, so... yeah...
 
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xjx388 said:
I get closer every day to considering a vote for Clinton and then I hear her say something completely insane: That there are good medical reasons for ending the life of a baby in the last stages of pregnancy. I would love to hear some of these stories she knows about where a baby had to be killed in order to save the life of the mother. Makes no medical sense.
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Never heard of cancer? You cannot treat a pregnant women for cancer. Waiting until after the pregnancy is over could result in it being no longer treatable at that point.
 
Molinaro said:
Never heard of cancer? You cannot treat a pregnant women for cancer. Waiting until after the pregnancy is over could result in it being no longer treatable at that point.
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They should be forced by the government to sacrifice themselves.

#PartyOfSmallGovernment
 
PhantomWolf said:
The most intimate and hardest medical decision of a woman's life should not be made for her by a bunch of old men that don't have a clue as to her condition or where she's at. Period.
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I was with you until you brought in menses. Doesn't seem at all necessary.
 
RE: "Suspense"

timhau said:
In other words, he's treating the elections like reality TV.
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Exactly. Clinton should've countered, "this is our presidential election, Donald. Not the season finale of The Apprentice."

Not only is Clinton going to "steal" a victory, but she's going to do it by winning 6%+ more votes. Millions of votes, not a fraction of a percent of votes in Florida.
 
Puppycow said:
I'm not a doctor or any kind of expert. But can you be 100% sure that there is never a legitimate medical reason to abort a baby in the last trimester?

Then there is a question of what if it is discovered that the baby has some sort of very serious condition like missing the higher brain?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/anencephaly.html



Are we to tell a woman who discovers in the sixth or seventh month of her pregnancy that the fetus she is carrying has anencephaly that she must carry it to term?

This is why I think there should be room for exceptions.
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Better the be born to a few hours of pain and suffering for the moral benefit of their doctors. Why else would doctors lying to patients in this kind of case be a protected religious right in many states?
 
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