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Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Sonia said:
The Sun. The Sun! As low as tabloid rags go. Have you no sense of decency, at long last?

It's a stinking rag, but if you hadn't linked to it, I would never have seen the interesting comment at the end.
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As HL Mencken said, never underestimate public taste. The SUN is the UK's top-selling paper. Whilst it is trashy, it has a good instinct for what the unwashed masses want to read about.

Try this for quality: Charles Mudede has written yet another excellent review:

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-knox-leaves-people-of-color-out-of-the-story
 
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Vixen said:
As HL Mencken said, never underestimate public taste. The SUN is the UK's top-selling paper. Whilst it is trashy, it has a good instinct for what the unwashed masses want to read about.

Try this for quality: Charles Mudede has written yet another excellent review:

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-knox-leaves-people-of-color-out-of-the-story
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Hahahahahaha! Charles Mudede!! "Yet another excellent review"!! Hahahahaha!

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Vixen said:
From Wrap:

http://www.thewrap.com/luke-cage-far-more-media-mentions-than-westworld-amanda-knox/

This is based on statistical market research figures and seems to suggest you and Casper are deluded if you think you are the 'majority' opinion.
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No, no, no,
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We're not talking about the coordinated flooding of "customer" reviews by the pro-guilt obsessive mob. We're talking about actual proper opinions expressed by actual proper reviewers who work for actual proper media organisations.

(And no, online vanity bilge such as "The Stranger" most certainly doesn't count as an actual, proper media organisation.)
 
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Vixen said:
As HL Mencken said, never underestimate public taste. The SUN is the UK's top-selling paper. Whilst it is trashy, it has a good instinct for what the unwashed masses want to read about.
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And once again,
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, you seem blissfully unable to perceive that this is Pisa clearly trying to spin the situation (in which he's been exposed as a narcissistic, low-rent hack) into something else, and that therefore his version of events is absolutely not to be taken at face value.

It is, however, most interesting indeed that Pisa claims to have received daily personal briefings from Mignini, before and during the trial process. If true, it says quite a bit about both PoS individuals.
 
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My gosh, God Ergon is working overtime trying to smear the Netflix documentary! It must be consuming him in terms of time and effort. Has he run out of seriously ill children to con with his disgusting mumbo jumbo....?
 
Long time anti Knox/Sollecito commentator Charles Mudede has crawled out of the woodwork and put pen to paper.
He had this wee tidbit ( and I am sure he will rue being so truthful :D)

Guiliano Mignini said to me when I visited Perugia in 2013, “and that it was an another African name Rudy Guede, everyone told us to drop the case against Knox. This was here in Italy. People were telling me to let her and Raffaele go and just to focus on the African guy. That’s interesting, isn’t it?”
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http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-knox-leaves-people-of-color-out-of-the-story
 
Annella said:
Long time anti Knox/Sollecito commentator Charles Mudede has crawled out of the woodwork and put pen to paper.
He had this wee tidbit ( and I am sure he will rue being so truthful :D)

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-knox-leaves-people-of-color-out-of-the-story
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Haha! Trust Mudede to play the race card from the bottom of the deck - it's his MO, after all. Interesting that Mignini did so too, if this account is to be believed (and given that Mudede has a clear agenda in this regard, I wouldn't take his recollection at face value). Interesting too, of course, that Mignini met with Mudede. Has Mignini's vanity and publicity-seeking got no end.....?

In any case, the reason why people (both within and outside Italy) would have been telling Mignini to drop the case against Knox and Sollecito and prosecute Guede alone has nothing whatsoever to do with the colour of anyone's skin. It's entirely to do with the three facts that a) all of the reliable, credible evidence points solely at Guede, and none of it points at Knox or Sollecito; b) all the reliable, credible evidence is wholly compatible with Guede as the sole perpetrator; and c) Knox only knew Guede on nodding terms, and Sollecito had never met him at all, so the very idea that Knox and Sollecito would team up with Guede to commit this murder is nonsensical on its face.
 
Ok, so I'm kind of arguing with some dude on Twitter (Pat A. @pataz1). Anyway, you know how hard it can be when your the one that's not the expert... I told him I was going to go to my skeptics board and get some help with the experts.

So first question. He says.
Cell phone logs were used to argue #AmandaKnox was not at #raffaeleSollecito's when she received text message from patrick.
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"According to the sentence, this [SMS to patrick] was not written from Raffaele's house." #amandaKnox
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Is this true.
 
I think there was a technical report which proved which cell towers were accessible from the various locations. But more importantly, Knox was at Raffaele's house the morning of the 2nd when she made all the phone calls with Filomena (prior to the 12:34 call from the apartment), and those all used the same tower, and we know she was at Raff's because she was simultaneously using his apartment internet where she logged into gmail and her Seattle friend's facebook which was recorded in the ISP logs.

You can waste your time developing an encyclopedic knowledge of this case but it wont do you any good with the true believers lol
 
Annella said:
Long time anti Knox/Sollecito commentator Charles Mudede has crawled out of the woodwork and put pen to paper.
He had this wee tidbit ( and I am sure he will rue being so truthful :D)

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...-knox-leaves-people-of-color-out-of-the-story
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LondonJohn said:
Haha! Trust Mudede to play the race card from the bottom of the deck - it's his MO, after all. Interesting that Mignini did so too, if this account is to be believed (and given that Mudede has a clear agenda in this regard, I wouldn't take his recollection at face value). Interesting too, of course, that Mignini met with Mudede. Has Mignini's vanity and publicity-seeking got no end.....?

In any case, the reason why people (both within and outside Italy) would have been telling Mignini to drop the case against Knox and Sollecito and prosecute Guede alone has nothing whatsoever to do with the colour of anyone's skin. It's entirely to do with the three facts that a) all of the reliable, credible evidence points solely at Guede, and none of it points at Knox or Sollecito; b) all the reliable, credible evidence is wholly compatible with Guede as the sole perpetrator; and c) Knox only knew Guede on nodding terms, and Sollecito had never met him at all, so the very idea that Knox and Sollecito would team up with Guede to commit this murder is nonsensical on its face.
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I also want to know if any of these people pay any attention at all to the evidence for false confessions?
 
Caper said:
Ok, so I'm kind of arguing with some dude on Twitter (Pat A. @pataz1). Anyway, you know how hard it can be when your the one that's not the expert... I told him I was going to go to my skeptics board and get some help with the experts.

So first question. He says.




Is this true.
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In short, it's not true. The police "experts" got things partly wrong, and the convicting courts also didn't understand the technical issues. It's entirely technically possible, based on base station coverage data, for Knox to have both received Lumumba's text (the one telling her not to come into work that evening) and sent her reply to Lumumba (the "see you later" one) from within Sollecito's apartment.

Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately trying to deceive.
 
It's a hilarious study in low-intellect confirmation bias to see how various pro-guilt morons are now trying to interpret the short snatch of video from the Netflix documentary, in which Kercher was being filmed by Knox (on Knox's camera which also had a video function) at the Perugia Chocolate Festival. In the short clip, Kercher laughs and says - in an entirely good-natured, self-effacing, mock-embarrassment way that is so common in such a situation - something along the lines of "Oh, don't film me!".

The morons are now trying to suggest that Knox was somehow "ambushing" Kercher with the camera, against her (Kercher's) will, and that Kercher's "Don't film me" response was the serious act of an angry and annoyed Kercher, but that the evil, callous, predatory Knox kept filming Kercher regardless of Kercher's wishes.

Seriously, most pro-guilt commentators are clucking deranged. But little episodes such as this merely serve to act as handy, vivid illustrations of just how deranged, deluded and poisoned they truly are.
 
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Caper said:
Ok, so I'm kind of arguing with some dude on Twitter (Pat A. @pataz1). Anyway, you know how hard it can be when your the one that's not the expert... I told him I was going to go to my skeptics board and get some help with the experts.

So first question. He says.

"According to the sentence, this [SMS to patrick] was not written from Raffaele's house." #amandaKnox
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Is this true.
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I'm doing this from memory so apologies if it is wrong, so emptor caveat.....

IIRC this was the reasoning Judge Nencini used at the 2013 trial to "prove" that Amanda had left the apartment.

But - here's the deal - Nencini didn't use this factoid about which cell tower processed the Lumumba SMS-text to prove that Knox had left the apartment to go wreck mayhem back at the cottage.

Why? Because even in Nencini's bizarre recreation, Knox then made it back to be seen by Jovana Popovic, the Serbian medical student who was an acquaintance of Raffaele Sollecito but was not known to Amanda Knox. Popovic was at the apartment to say she no longer needed the ride to the train station.

So why did Nencini make a big deal about this factoid about the cell-tower used for the SMS-text to Lumumba, when it added nothing to any "proof" that she'd left the apartment AFTER Popovic saw her?

Because it proved that Knox was a liar.

When one goes through Nencini's factoid-evidence, piece by piece, to see if it's reconstruction sustains a guilty verdict, one runs into a myriad of stuff like this. Which is why........

...... The Italian Supreme Court said in annulling the conviction, and exonerating the pair:

9.4.3. It can easily be observed that the conclusion that there was a lack of an
evidentiary framework consistent and sufficient to support the prosecution’s
hypothesis regarding the more serious case of murder certainly reverberates on the
residual, secondary accusations, listed here, d) theft of mobile phones and e)
simulation of a crime.

10. The intrinsic contradictory nature of the evidence, emerging from the text of
the appealed verdict, in essence undermines the connective tissue of the same,
leading to its annulment.

In fact, in the presence of a scenario marked by many contradictions, the
referral judge should not have come to a verdict of guilt.....​
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At the end of the day, the criminal issue under question is not whether Knox is a liar; esp. a liar about relatively trivial issues. The Supreme Court found that this factoid, even if true, was simply one of those residual, secondary accusations which added nothing to the main case.

Let's at least first provide some proof that someone other than Rudy Guede was involved in the murder, so that "proving" that Knox was a liar is even interesting!!!

This is the problem with the 147-character world of Twitter. On points like this all Twitter is good for is: "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not", "She's guilty", "No she's not"..... ad nauseam.
 
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Here's Raff's apartment ISP logs: http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...i-DAmbrosio-computer-Sollecito-Macbookpro.pdf

Amanda used facebook to access her University of Washington friend's profile at 12:22, the same time she is talking to Filomena on her cell phone from a tower that the PGP claim is cottage only.

I actually spent some time a while ago thoroughly analyzing all the testimony from the witnesses on the 2nd and all the cell phone logs from all the sources (Amanda, Raff, Filomena, Filomena's friends).

I was actually amazed at how thoroughly unsupported many of the initial PGP memes were (Dropped called with Filomena, 112 call timing, Filomena friends arrived before 112 call, Filomena told Amanda to call the police, Amanda wasn't at Raff's, suspiciously short duration calls to Meredith, etc etc).

They were just making stuff up out of thin air. But it doesn't matter because their belief is a matter of faith and intuition and not any reasoning about the available evidence.
 
LondonJohn said:
It's a hilarious study in low-intellect confirmation bias to see how various pro-guilt morons are now trying to interpret the short snatch of video from the Netflix documentary, in which Kercher was being filmed by Knox (on Knox's camera which also had a video function) at the Perugia Chocolate Festival. In the short clip, Kercher laughs and says - in an entirely good-natured, self-effacing, mock-embarrassment way that is so common in such a situation - something along the lines of "Oh, don't film me!".

The morons are now trying to suggest that Knox was somehow "ambushing" Kercher with the camera, against her (Kercher's) will, and that Kercher's "Don't film me" response was the serious act of an angry and annoyed Kercher, but that the evil, callous, predatory Knox kept filming Kercher regardless of Kercher's wishes.

Seriously, most pro-guilt commentators are clucking deranged. But little episodes such as this merely serve to act as handy, vivid illustrations of just how deranged, deluded and poisoned they truly are.
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Remember that the prosecution in the 2014 trial said that Knox killed Kercher because Rudy left a turd in the other roommates toilet and the Nincini court bought the theory, proving that the Italians will believe anything tin the quest to burn an American witch.
 
sept79 said:
None that puts them in the victim's bedroom. It's sort of hard to murder someone from the hallway or another room, don't you think ?
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I am sure that the Netflix doc is changing perceptions.
This one talks about the tweet storms aimed and Magnini and Pisa;
http://moviepilot.com/p/mignini-vs-pisa-real-villain-amanda-knox-documentary/4111465
sample tweet;
Watching #AmandaKnox" on Netflix. Giuliano Mignini is a sexist buffoon who doesn't even understand how criminal forensics work.
And it quotes one of the best doc lines;
Knox said it best herself when she said:
"There is no trace of me in the room where Meredith was murdered. And there's no reliable trace of Raffaele in the room where Meredith was murdered. But you're trying to find the answer in my eyes, when the answer is right over there. You're looking at me. Why? These are my eyes. They're not objective evidence."
things look rough for the Vixen pals.
 
Looks bad for the PGP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at this..
http://moviepilot.com/p/amanda-knox-truthers-guilty-innocent/4111460
In many ways, these forums do serve a purpose. Reading over them, its safe to say that the Netflix documentary was a simplistic rendering of the events; a piece of entertainment that, although not pro-Knox, sympathised with her, and made Pisa and Mignini out to be idiots. It was biased. This case warrants not only a mere 90 minute documentary, but an TV series to go through all of the evidence, of which there are tens of thousands of legal documents. These websites can be seen to aim to paint a fuller picture of what happened. Yet, it is not just the truth they are fixated on:
Their Obsession With Meredith Kercher Is Creepy
Meredith Kercher's death was a tragedy, and her family deserved justice.
There are no two ways about it. But true justice can only be achieved by convicting the right person by weighing up the evidence and making the correct decision. Amanda Knox was vindicated, eventually, by an Italian supreme court, due to a lack of sufficient evidence pinning her to the case. Nevertheless, these "truther" websites are so fixated upon getting justice for Kercher, they rely on emotive arguments about her that are — apologies for being blunt — totally irrelevant to the case.


I am thinking that in a few hours everyone will be jumping on the Look at these Creepy Sites bandwagon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS SOOOO NEAT
 
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