Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Has there been any suggestion in PIP-dom that the glaring errors in Nencini's ruling were an act of sabotage from a man who did not in fact believe AK & RS to be guilty, but was acting as Chieffi had effectively ordered him to?

Go back to Feb 2014 and there was some talk of this - the Nencini report was complete Rubbish, but more than that.

Why include glaring errors like declaring that RS's DNA was found on the knife? But was that stupidity or a Machiavellian plot?

 

[Vixen]

So, it's a PR problem. Got it.

“What a fuss about an omelette! How abominably unjust to persecute a man for such an airy trifle as that!” ~ Voltaire.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". Evelyn Beatrice Hall.

 

[Vixen]

Go back to Feb 2014 and there was some talk of this - the Nencini report was complete Rubbish, but more than that.

Why include glaring errors like declaring that RS's DNA was found on the knife? But was that stupidity or a Machiavellian plot?

It was a typo. Sometimes Occam's Razor works.

 

[acbytesla]

I am not saying it is impossible, I am saying it is improbable. I actually have a range of Weider ladies dumbbells of various weights (which I gave to my son, not having used them for yonks). He recently gave them back to me to take to the charity shop, so they are there in the corner. I picked up one, and it was incredibly heavy - I'd certainly have trouble throwing it. I assumed it was the 5kg ones, but to my shock, they were only 3kg!

No wonder when the boulder was passed around the juror judges, they gasped and comented on how extraordinarily weighty it was.

Seriously, no sane burglar would think of lobbing that in the dark above his head to 12'4" (or 3.78m). These are police measurements from the ground to the window.


In any case, it has been proven that the boulder was thrown from inside Filomena's room, by experts in missile trajectory. There is a clear fresh indentation on the inside shutter and the missile landed under the chair under the desk against the adjacent wall.

Which one of us is 'intellectually dishonest'?

Oh as if you would know. There was no need for Rudy to shot put that rock from below the window. An easy underhanded lob from the parking lot would be perfect. It's quite dishonest to suggest that something so easy wasn't done. Your view starts by suggesting an improbable toss and you ignore the easy toss. Now none of us know exactly how it was done, but it is obvious that there was an easy option so why ignore it?

 

[Vixen]

I note Bill Williams continues to evade my question. Can we assume he condones his fellow Knox supporters sending pictures of Vaseline jars to the Kercher family?

 

[Bill Williams]

I note Bill Williams continues to evade my question. Can we assume he condones his fellow Knox supporters sending pictures of Vaseline jars to the Kercher family?

Note away!

You have a whole list of subjects you won't touch. You pull this one out to evade expressing an opinion on a death threat!!! You are using the Kerchers, when no less than Andrea Vogt has implied you should stop. Why do YOU keep dragging the Kerchers into public discussion when they should be left alone?

It's you doing it.

It would be easier to respond if you were to send a PM for info, but you simply wish to change the subject.

This request of yours is an awkward attempt at avoidance.

There are a whole host of questions outstanding for you. Do you think the death threat's real problem was as a PR nightmare for PQ........

Who, by the way, did the right thing by deleting it.

If you started answering questions put to you, you'd be in a far better position to ask them in return.

You know the questions. Have at it.

 

[toto]

Have you seen the size of the average male (or female) shotputter?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s.....69i57j0l5.6182j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for proving my point about upper body strength. Rudy is slender and willowy - a typical basketball profile - there is no way he'd have the enormous strength to lever himself up onto the sill without a grip, as the professional rock climber did in the tampered video, or at least it's unlikely anyone would exert such life and death effort to raid a temporary student dwelling. In any case, none of the valuables were touched.

I thought you had conceded that relatively speaking, it wasn't that heavy:
You said:
"No, it's hardly a shot put. why even Amanda herself could have thrown it from the car park, being a titch, standing on tiptoes".
9th April 2016, 08:17 AM

 

[bagels]

It was a typo. Sometimes Occam's Razor works.

Was his time analysis that altered the flow of time depending on what was necessary to support his conclusion also a typo?

Nencini made it very easy for the Supreme Court to overturn him. Some might say too easy, but speaking of razors... enter Hanlon's razor stage right.

 

[Vixen]

Note away!

You have a whole list of subjects you won't touch. You pull this one out to evade expressing an opinion on a death threat!!! You are using the Kerchers, when no less than Andrea Vogt has implied you should stop. Why do YOU keep dragging the Kerchers into public discussion when they should be left alone?

It's you doing it.

It would be easier to respond if you were to send a PM for info, but you simply wish to change the subject.

This request of yours is an awkward attempt at avoidance.

There are a whole host of questions outstanding for you. Do you think the death threat's real problem was as a PR nightmare for PQ........

Who, by the way, did the right thing by deleting it.

If you started answering questions put to you, you'd be in a far better position to ask them in return.

You know the questions. Have at it.

I see. So Bill Williams' loyalty to rogue pro-Knoxers - who delight in sending poison pen messages including pictures of Vaseline jars to the Kercher family - are sovereign over the code of ethics Bill Williams professes to uphold.

We note his faux rage at a 'hate' post on TJMK and hypocrisy in not disassociating himself from his own group's poison pen brigade.

 

[Bill Williams]

I see. So Bill Williams' loyalty to rogue pro-Knoxers - who delight in sending poison pen messages including pictures of Vaseline jars to the Kercher family - are sovereign over the code of ethics Bill Williams professes to uphold.

We note his faux rage at a 'hate' post on TJMK and hypocrisy in not disassociating himself from his own group's poison pen brigade.

Deflection from the original issue of a death threat, noted. "Let's talk about something else, anything else."

The use of the Kercher name, while claiming they should be left alone, is the loudest hypocrisy of all. Take heed of what Andrea Vogt said about a year ago, when there was an attempt by a PGP to drag the Kercher name back into the news:

......alleging wide-ranging corruption and fraud in the Meredith Kercher case. News flash: There are few new revelations in this complaint, which is little more than a speculative rehashing of data already in the public dominion. By dragging the case yet again before the courts, some show they can’t stop picking at the scab of this very painful wound, which will only worsen the scar. The Italian justice system had its chance to uncover the truth. It had eight years. It failed miserably. At the end of the day, there are two conflicting final rulings in the Court of Cassation, which is Italy’s highest court. The section that heard Rudy Guede’s case ruled that Guede committed a crime along with two others (whom he named in a letter as Knox and Sollecito). The section that heard Knox and Sollecito’s case ruled that Rudy Guede committed the crime with two others: not Knox and Sollecito (and under this reasoning, Italy’s court is apparently not embarrassed to admit that whoever committed this heinous crime eight years ago is still at large).

Either way, it is a great miscarriage of justice. Italy failed Meredith Kercher.

 

[Vixen]

I thought you had conceded that relatively speaking, it wasn't that heavy:
You said:
"No, it's hardly a shot put. why even Amanda herself could have thrown it from the car park, being a titch, standing on tiptoes".
9th April 2016, 08:17 AM

Well spotted. Obviously, if it wasn't Rudy who located the boulder, it was Amanda or Raff. There is a vanishingly remote chance it was thrown six feet across the car park. Doable. Throwing a heavyweight ahead instead of above is easier, especially if you have two free hands. However, there are no shards of glass on the ground outside, and no sign of any foliage disturbance on the ground below the window, so we can safely disregard this scenario as a 'what if'.

 

[Vixen]

Deflection from the original issue of a death threat, noted. "Let's talk about something else, anything else."

The use of the Kercher name, while claiming they should be left alone, is the loudest hypocrisy of all. Take heed of what Andrea Vogt said about a year ago, when there was an attempt by a PGP to drag the Kercher name back into the news:

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I rest my case.

Bill Williams supports scoundrels.

 

[Vixen]

Oh as if you would know. There was no need for Rudy to shot put that rock from below the window. An easy underhanded lob from the parking lot would be perfect. It's quite dishonest to suggest that something so easy wasn't done. Your view starts by suggesting an improbable toss and you ignore the easy toss. Now none of us know exactly how it was done, but it is obvious that there was an easy option so why ignore it?

Unfortunately for you and your theory, there was no glass found below, outside.

It is a fact the boulder was lobbed from inside Filomena's room.

End of.

 

[LondonJohn]

Well spotted. Obviously, if it wasn't Rudy who located the boulder, it was Amanda or Raff. There is a vanishingly remote chance it was thrown six feet across the car park. Doable. Throwing a heavyweight ahead instead of above is easier, especially if you have two free hands. However, there are no shards of glass on the ground outside, and no sign of any foliage disturbance on the ground below the window, so we can safely disregard this scenario as a 'what if'.

Now THAT is a textbook moving of the goalposts! Well done! Well done indeed!!

 

[LondonJohn]

Unfortunately for you and your theory, there was no glass found below, outside.

It is a fact the boulder was lobbed from inside Filomena's room.

End of.

Yeah..... you need to revise your definition of "fact"

(And you also might want to take on board that the reason why no glass was found on the ground below the window just might have been because a) the inept police abjectly failed to look properly, and didn't even photograph the area properly, and b) within hours of the discovery of the body, the police were using that very area to make phone calls and smoke, and thus grossly compromising the scene.)

 

[LondonJohn]

I see. So Bill Williams' loyalty to rogue pro-Knoxers - who delight in sending poison pen messages including pictures of Vaseline jars to the Kercher family - are sovereign over the code of ethics Bill Williams professes to uphold.

We note his faux rage at a 'hate' post on TJMK and hypocrisy in not disassociating himself from his own group's poison pen brigade.

While I'm not prepared to inject myself into this particular issue, I would point out that there's a MASSIVE difference between posting a distasteful image on twitter and making an implicit death threat against a named individual. They are both wrong, of course, but one is many, many orders of magnitude more wrong than the other. To the degree that one may be viewed as cruel and insensitive, while the other may well constitute a serious criminal offence.

 

[bagels]

Unfortunately for you and your theory, there was no glass found below, outside.

It is a fact the boulder was lobbed from inside Filomena's room.

End of.

This post literally doesn't make sense. Your point is the opposite of what you think it is.

If the rock was thrown from inside to outside...then there would be glass outside.

Can the PGP think in coherent thoughts when it comes to this case? Like ever?

 

[Bill Williams]

I rest my case.

Bill Williams supports scoundrels.

The reasoning is this:

Raise an issue to divert from the subject.....

In refusing to address the main issue, speculate on what the other does or doesn't believe.....

When pressed to address the ignored issue, declare victory......

All the while maintaining the diversion.

And using the victims of crime as a rhetorical device, all the while claiming to have their best interests at the fore.

Please quit exploiting victims of crime to score points on a thread.

 

[LondonJohn]

This post literally doesn't make sense. Your point is the opposite of what you think it is.

If the rock was thrown from inside to outside...then there would be glass outside.

Can the PGP think in coherent thoughts when it comes to this case? Like ever?

I think the standard pro-guilt "argument" on this one is that the evil Kanox and knifeboy Sollecito opened the left half of the window into the room, then threw the rock (or hit it) against the outer pane of the window - in which case most of the glass would have either been propelled sideways across the inside of the room (since the pane was at right-angles to the window frame) or straight downward onto the floor of the room.

But unfortunately for the pro-guilt argument, the evidence is in fact wholly consistent with the rock having been thrown from the outside with the window closed. In that scenario, most of the glass would have fallen vertically down onto the broad stone exterior window sill (which is exactly where several large pieces of glass were in fact discovered), with only very tiny shards of glass being propelled backwards onto the ground below the window (since this was very thin single-pane glass, which thus exhibited a very low "trampoline effect" of glass springing back in the direction of the propelled object).

And we know for sure that the police totally botched the investigation of the outside ground below the window. Not one close-up photo was taken of this ground, only a ludicrously cursory examination was made of the ground (with none of the careful sifting of soil/grass that would be essential for discovering the very small glass particles), and the police laughably had to rely on second-hand oral anecdotal testimony in court. And of course even on the afternoon of the discovery, the police were already using this very area for taking cigarette and phone breaks. They would almost certainly have trampled any glass deep into the ground, or deposited it onto their own shoes and transported it elsewhere. Yet another obvious example of the grotesque ineptitude and malpractice endemic in this police investigation, unfortunately.

 

[Vixen]

While I'm not prepared to inject myself into this particular issue, I would point out that there's a MASSIVE difference between posting a distasteful image on twitter and making an implicit death threat against a named individual. They are both wrong, of course, but one is many, many orders of magnitude more wrong than the other. To the degree that one may be viewed as cruel and insensitive, while the other may well constitute a serious criminal offence.

It is a criminal offence to make a death threat in the UK. The post might be a criminal offence IF it was a death threat. However, of course, it wasn't. It was poor taste and deserved to be removed, but nowhere did it threaten to kill anyone.