Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

[BobTheCoward]

Except the large, brand name company can lower its price low enough and take the hit long enough to drive the competition out, and then jack the price back up again. See Wal-Mart and to a lesser extent, Starbucks.

In short, you're still wrong. But this thread is about Junior. If you need folks to explain business, government, and markets, you should try another thread.

You are absolutely wrong. There is little evidence that firms engage in those activities and are able to maintain barriers to entry that prevents new entrants.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I'll take a stab and say no.

There seems to be a growing feeling that news presenters should be commenting on every piece of news that they report or show. I agree with your implication that this is not true unless it's a news commentary program and/or they're talking to "experts." In fact, constant commentary is exactly what we shouldn't want in a straight news program, and I say this whether the presenter is someone who would (either because of personal opinion or network opinion) agree with my views or not.

Just because at least half the things that come out of Trump's mouth are lies doesn't mean they shouldn't be presented somewhere without editorializing. As always, it's the responsibility of those watching to decide what to believe, hopefully based on facts and cogent analysis...and there's no end of analysis (cogent and otherwise) available to us, especially here in a world with the internet.

Exactly.

 

[Donal]

You are absolutely wrong. There is little evidence that firms engage in those activities and are able to maintain barriers to entry that prevents new entrants.

As I said, there are other places for your misinformation to be corrected. This is about Junior's falsehoods, not yours.

 

[Donal]

I'll take a stab and say no.

There seems to be a growing feeling that news presenters should be commenting on every piece of news that they report or show. I agree with your implication that this is not true unless it's a news commentary program and/or they're talking to "experts." In fact, constant commentary is exactly what we shouldn't want in a straight news program, and I say this whether the presenter is someone who would (either because of personal opinion or network opinion) agree with my views or not.

Just because at least half the things that come out of Trump's mouth are lies doesn't mean they shouldn't be presented somewhere without editorializing. As always, it's the responsibility of those watching to decide what to believe, hopefully based on facts and cogent analysis...and there's no end of analysis (cogent and otherwise) available to us, especially here in a world with the internet.

Is it editorializing to point out that he is, in fact, factually wrong? I mean, the news is supposed to be informational, not promotional.

 

[BobTheCoward]

As I said, there are other places for your misinformation to be corrected. This is about Junior's falsehoods, not yours.

Your sad excuse for an insult does not cover up the truth that you mistake a myth as fact.

 

[sunmaster14]

Your sad excuse for an insult does not cover up the truth that you mistake a myth as fact.

You might even say it's a mythtake.

 

[Donal]

Your sad excuse for an insult does not cover up the truth that you mistake a myth as fact.

OK, you are determined to derail this. I'm not engaging you after this. Go ahead and bloviate and whatever you need to do to tell yourself you are right. Make your ego great again.

And sunmaster14, do you know when Junior will be donating the $5 million to charity he promised?

Or release the tax returns he believes are vital for a presidential candidate?

Or providing the super duper, earth shattering evidence he received from his investigators in Hawaii?

 

[NoahFence]

You might even say it's a mythtake.

How pythy.

 

[BobTheCoward]

OK, you are determined to derail this. I'm not engaging you after this. Go ahead and bloviate and whatever you need to do to tell yourself you are right. Make your ego great again.

And sunmaster14, do you know when Junior will be donating the $5 million to charity he promised?

Or release the tax returns he believes are vital for a presidential candidate?

Or providing the super duper, earth shattering evidence he received from his investigators in Hawaii?

Says the person who was insultingly dismissive?

Simply put, you are extremely misled in your economic and market knowledge.

 

[sunmaster14]

OK, you are determined to derail this. I'm not engaging you after this. Go ahead and bloviate and whatever you need to do to tell yourself you are right. Make your ego great again.

And sunmaster14, do you know when Junior will be donating the $5 million to charity he promised?

I'm thinking never.

Or release the tax returns he believes are vital for a presidential candidate?

Probably after the election if he wins, and probably never if he doesn't.

Or providing the super duper, earth shattering evidence he received from his investigators in Hawaii?

Pretty sure it's never.

The good thing, however, is that iff Trump becomes President, the press will become interested in pursuing the President's scandals, both real and alleged. It's been 8 years since they were.

 

[Babbylonian]

Is it editorializing to point out that he is, in fact, factually wrong? I mean, the news is supposed to be informational, not promotional.

Yeah, it's editorializing. If they want to clarify something, it's easy to alter the format to allow for that in a way that doesn't make the presenter the arbiter of fact versus fiction. However, the idea that, again, a "straight" news program (one or two people reading news stories and showing video clips) should have the presenter(s) commenting on the stories they're presenting is silly when, again, there are plenty of formats and avenues for such commentary.

"Here's what Presidential Candidate Donald Trump said today in a speech given in Dallas, Texas."
<play video>
"In Hoboken, New Jersey, Hillary Clinton gave a speech on health care."
<play video>
"In other news..."

There is nothing wrong with presenting the news like that. Inserting anything else is for another kind of show.

 

[sunmaster14]

How pythy.

I stole it from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

 

[acbytesla]

You are absolutely wrong. There is little evidence that firms engage in those activities and are able to maintain barriers to entry that prevents new entrants.

WOW! You're mistaken. It happens all the time. Its called dumping. Carnegie did it with steel at the turn of the 19th century. John D. did it with oil. China has been doing it with solar panels and steel. It depends very much on the industry though. I've worked for a firm that would buy competitors as opposed to lowering it's prices when any company that would enter the market that would undercut it's prices.

 

[acbytesla]

I'm thinking never.

Probably after the election if he wins, and probably never if he doesn't.

Pretty sure it's never.

The good thing, however, is that iff Trump becomes President, the press will become interested in pursuing the President's scandals, both real and alleged. It's been 8 years since they were.

This is a good thing? Don't worry, they'll be trying with Hillary too.

 

[Donal]

I'm thinking never.



Probably after the election if he wins, and probably never if he doesn't.



Pretty sure it's never.

The good thing, however, is that iff Trump becomes President, the press will become interested in pursuing the President's scandals, both real and alleged. It's been 8 years since they were.

So, you have no concern over integrity, honesty, business acumen (which you even admit is not really applicable to the presidency), relevant experience, knowledge of foreign affairs, and basic human decency.

Are you just supporting Junior because you want to troll the US?

 

[BobTheCoward]

WOW! You're mistaken. It happens all the time. Its called dumping. Carnegie did it with steel at the turn of the 19th century. John D. did it with oil. China has been doing it with solar panels and steel. It depends very much on the industry though. I've worked for a firm that would buy competitors as opposed to lowering it's prices when any company that would enter the market that would undercut it's prices.

We have a perception and a myth that happened. But when we have gone back to try and prove it, the research just doesn't reach those conclusions.f for example, it is a myth standard oil was a monopoly. Evidence appears that they had a large market share that started evaporating to market forces before any legal action.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Says the person who was insultingly dismissive?

Simply put, you are extremely misled in your economic and market knowledge.

He's right, it's off topic start a new thread if you are that bothered by it.

 

[Upchurch]

The man is a HERO, in my home town of Dallas! Love him more every day. Get'em Mark!

Well, not with all of Dallas.

There is only one serious candidate on the presidential ballot in November. We recommend Hillary Clinton.

We don't come to this decision easily. This newspaper has not recommended a Democrat for the nation's highest office since before World War II — if you're counting, that's more than 75 years and nearly 20 elections.

[...]

Trump's values are hostile to conservatism. He plays on fear — exploiting base instincts of xenophobia, racism and misogyny — to bring out the worst in all of us, rather than the best. His serial shifts on fundamental issues reveal an astounding absence of preparedness. And his improvisational insults and midnight tweets exhibit a dangerous lack of judgment and impulse control.

 

[BobTheCoward]

He's right, it's off topic start a new thread if you are that bothered by it.

So he gets to spout garbage as fact, claim an opponent doesn't know anything, insult, then hide and refuse to debate? Seems very on topic.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Well, not with all of Dallas.

I think he was referring to Cuban, not Trump. Still not everyone likes him, but most people do.