The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: A "100% perfect prediction" delusion

I made a 100% perfect prediction.

30 August 2016 Bjarne: A "100% perfect prediction" delusion since your predictions do not match observations.
Fantasies are not predictions.
An ignorant fantasy about "TRUE speed" is not a prediction.

The idiocy of predicting a "1750 km/s" difference when the speeds of satellites are measured to centimeters per second should be obvious.

 

[Bjarne]

*sigh*

You know full well a poster challenged a specific thing you did in the equation. Instead of responding to their perfectly legitimate concern you insulted them. If you're this thin-skinned on this forum then you're going to be eaten alive if you attempt to engage with actual physicists in a professional capacity.

My mission is not to "challenged a specific thing" but to challenge 235129851385123521581298523512375218375129351203952103952038591238512938753 things

Therefore my mission is not always to get lost in details..

 

[Bjarne]

Again it is in no way unique nor even a prediction. You say "faster", "slower" and "expected" without any explicit quantitative reference for those comparative and projective terms. Again until you can establish those quantitative references you don't have a prediction, unique or otherwise.

I made a 100% perfect prediction.

You shall except the exact oppesite time dilation, relative to TRUE speed, and measured from Earth.

The ONLY challenge is to figure out TRUE speed.

Moving 45 degree north will decrease true absolute speed 50%
Lets say the expected SR effect is based on 7000 km/s
Therefore true speed will be reduced to 3500 km/s
Addition true speed is also 3500 km/s
And therefore it is all pretty simple, these 2 effects will cancel out

Moving 67,5 degree north =75 % true speed reduction, - 75% of 7000 km/s = 5250 km/s - based on that speed the SR time dilation will be exact oppesite as expected..
The remaining difference (1750 km/s) will based on that speed, results in expected time dilation .

Moving 100% north, will reduce true speed with 7000 km/s and excactly in that moment you will expect total oppesite time dilation as expected.

This is excactly so quantitative effective as if I would say tomorrow at 12 a clock, a stone will fall down from the moon. and at 12,30 a ½ stone will fall from the moon.

Now how big the stone is, and was before and was for 100 years ago and why it happen and not happen bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla more quantitative math and bla bla bla bla happen or not jhappen bla bla bla

Is really not important...

What is important, don’t get any of these stones in your head, because you would then look really smashed out.

So now watch up for the stones, and don't bla bla too much..

 

[Bjarne]

30 August 2016 Bjarne: A "100% perfect prediction" delusion since your predictions do not match observations.
Fantasies are not predictions.
An ignorant fantasy about "TRUE speed" is not a prediction.

The idiocy of predicting a "1750 km/s" difference when the speeds of satellites are measured to centimeters per second should be obvious.

This only clearly demonstrate with 3463418135128951278527 % certianty that you have not ready anything about the theory.

You have to use the speed to calculate time dilation.. I thought farmes in NZ knew that.

 

[Reality Check]

thought farmes in NZ knew that

The delusion that is RR theory is well known to farmers in NZ ! They just need to read what you have posted to know with 100% that you are deluded about a 100% perfect prediction.
A 100% perfect prediction is a valid calculation using valid physics and valid mathematics to make a prediction and then finding that it matches the observations. You have never done any of that.

The RR fantasy appearing on 15 October 2009 here, continued ignorance of high school level science and digging a pit of fantasies from Bjarne (134 items of ignorance, fantasy, delusion and lies in this thread alone!).

1. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie about SR being based on the Lorentz equation. Anyone can read the fact that SR is based on its 2 postulates from which it derives the Lorentz equation.
2. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: The repeated lie about curvature of spacetime never being proven correct - experimental tests of GR only works with curvature of spacetime !
3. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: The ignorant assertion that curvature of spacetime is related to the Lorentz equation. The curvature of spacetime is derived from the equivalence principle.
4. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: It was Minkowski who invented "space-time"!
5. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: Lots of lies and delusions about "MTR" starting with the lie that it is a modified theory of relativity. The RR delusion has nothing do with an ignorant picture of SR.
6. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie about an image having calculations of the perihelion precession of Mercury.
7. 30 August 2016 Bjarne: A "100% perfect prediction" delusion since your predictions do not match observations.

 

[Daylightstar]

My mission is not to "challenged a specific thing" but to challenge 235129851385123521581298523512375218375129351203952103952038591238512938753 things

Therefore my mission is not always to get lost in details..

That's nice, but you are in no position to challenge anything in science.

 

[Daylightstar]

I made a 100% perfect prediction.

You shall except the exact oppesite time dilation, relative to TRUE speed, and measured from Earth.

The ONLY challenge is to figure out TRUE speed.

Moving 45 degree north will decrease true absolute speed 50%
Lets say the expected SR effect is based on 7000 km/s
Therefore true speed will be reduced to 3500 km/s
Addition true speed is also 3500 km/s
And therefore it is all pretty simple, these 2 effects will cancel out

Moving 67,5 degree north =75 % true speed reduction, - 75% of 7000 km/s = 5250 km/s - based on that speed the SR time dilation will be exact oppesite as expected..
The remaining difference (1750 km/s) will based on that speed, results in expected time dilation .

Moving 100% north, will reduce true speed with 7000 km/s and excactly in that moment you will expect total oppesite time dilation as expected.

This is excactly so quantitative effective as if I would say tomorrow at 12 a clock, a stone will fall down from the moon. and at 12,30 a ½ stone will fall from the moon.

Now how big the stone is, and was before and was for 100 years ago and why it happen and not happen bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla more quantitative math and bla bla bla bla happen or not jhappen bla bla bla

Is really not important...

What is important, don’t get any of these stones in your head, because you would then look really smashed out.

So now watch up for the stones, and don't bla bla too much..

You're essentially just putting numbers one after the other, almost like numerology. Your meaningless little idea has no quantitive basis in reality, so no, you have not made a valid prediction.
You are simply making unusable statements.

 

[Daylightstar]

This only clearly demonstrate with 3463418135128951278527 % certianty that you have not ready anything about the theory.

You have to use the speed to calculate time dilation.. I thought farmes in NZ knew that.

You so called theory is a declaration of incompetence and ineptitude. It demonstrates in glorious detail to the reader that it can not be taken seriously.

And no one does, as you know.

 

[halleyscomet]

The future will judge whether I used enough time to understand schizophrenics relativity , - or you used enough time to understand modified theory of relativity.



Your opinion right now is nothing worth.

*Yawn*

Is this what your act has been reduced to? Endlessly repeating the lie that you've made a prediction when you've done nothing of the kind?

You're getting BOOORING. You're scientifically illiterate and uninformed and taking about things even a layman can see you don't understand in the slightest. You need to VARY your act to keep things interesting.

Now monkey, change your dance up a bit or you're going to lose my interest.

 

[Bjarne]

*Yawn*

Is this what your act has been reduced to? Endlessly repeating the lie that you've made a prediction when you've done nothing of the kind?

You're getting BOOORING. You're scientifically illiterate and uninformed and taking about things even a layman can see you don't understand in the slightest. You need to VARY your act to keep things interesting.

Now monkey, change your dance up a bit or you're going to lose my interest.

Even in kindergarten, children are not that childish, by the way which bush do you come from ?

 

[halleyscomet]

Even in kindergarten, children are not that childish, by the way which bush do you come from ?

What? Did you think people were in this thread for actual scientific discussion with you? You're completely clueless about the science you claim you understand. You're comedy relief, a joke. Your "theory" is ignorant garbage and you are, by your own admission, too lazy to do the research to learn what you're talking about.

You haven't even READ Einstein's work. His seminal papers aren't exactly long reads. How do you expect to be taken seriously when you can't even be bothered to read the research you claim you understand better than any scientist in history?

You will never motivate yourself to do the work you need to do to understand Special or General Relativity.

Now, get back on your high horse so you can insult me and call me childish for having the audacity to tell you the truth. While it would be impressive if you demonstrated personal growth and learned something from me, you've made it very clear you prefer to be my clown. Now, put on your greasepaint and dance.

 

[The Man]

I made a 100% perfect prediction.

You shall except the exact oppesite time dilation, relative to TRUE speed, and measured from Earth.

The ONLY challenge is to figure out TRUE speed.

Moving 45 degree north will decrease true absolute speed 50%
Lets say the expected SR effect is based on 7000 km/s
Therefore true speed will be reduced to 3500 km/s
Addition true speed is also 3500 km/s
And therefore it is all pretty simple, these 2 effects will cancel out

Moving 67,5 degree north =75 % true speed reduction, - 75% of 7000 km/s = 5250 km/s - based on that speed the SR time dilation will be exact oppesite as expected..
The remaining difference (1750 km/s) will based on that speed, results in expected time dilation .

Moving 100% north, will reduce true speed with 7000 km/s and excactly in that moment you will expect total oppesite time dilation as expected.

This is excactly so quantitative effective as if I would say tomorrow at 12 a clock, a stone will fall down from the moon. and at 12,30 a ½ stone will fall from the moon.

Now how big the stone is, and was before and was for 100 years ago and why it happen and not happen bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla more quantitative math and bla bla bla bla happen or not jhappen bla bla bla

Is really not important...

What is important, don’t get any of these stones in your head, because you would then look really smashed out.

So now watch up for the stones, and don't bla bla too much..

So exactly as I asserted before you are simply claiming the relative speed will not be as expected. This is why the quantitative input is of such value it helps reveal the actual nature of the claim. Again this isn't a change of, or difference in relativity, but simply a difference in speed.

How did you arrive at your figures? As you seem to claim the object would not actually move (other than with your CBR frame) when directed north.

You also assert "And therefore it is all pretty simple, these 2 effects will cancel out". Indicating you don't think there will be any resulting influence from your true speed change.

Anyway you have at least confirmed that what you are claiming is simply a change or difference in relative speed from what would be expected.

Finally your assertion of "The ONLY challenge is to figure out TRUE speed." is not accurate as you have already asserted your preferred frame of reference to be co moving with the CBR.

 

[Peregrinus]

My mission is not to "challenged a specific thing" but to challenge 235129851385123521581298523512375218375129351203952103952038591238512938753 things

Therefore my mission is not always to get lost in details..

There are no 4's or 6's and too few 7's in your numerical salad. And there is no rationality in your blatherings. Further, there's a vast distinction between not getting lost in details and in obdurantly shunning them.

 

[Daylightstar]

...
How did you arrive at your figures?
...

Homegrown with tha Flyby Manure.

 

[halleyscomet]

This reveals you haven't read the theory...
Now very short....

Special Relativity.
No relativistic effect will take place when moving straight north, - (relative to ecliptic) but the opposite will be the case.

One parameter to measure this is time dilation.
Instead of expected faster time, a clock will instead tick faster.
This is because relativistic transformation is a process, where both matter and space is involved.

Let’s say the Earth’s follows dark flow, at the speed 600 km/s, and you moves opposite on board the ISS, - at 7 km/s .
Now your true speed is only 593km/s, and therefore SR will here instead show the opposite effect, - as you expect according to SR.

You will only achieve the effect predicted by the prevailing theory if you somehow move faster than the Earth, seen from an absolute perspective.

The reason for the effect predicted above is; -

• That matter and elastic space is elastic connected through elastic space.
• When E will increase due to true speed, M will also increase, and matter will be deeper involved in the elastic connection between space and matter.

Opposite if true speed will be reduced, all relativistic effects will also be reduced, which mean SR now give the complete opposite result.

It is due to falling understanding the matter / space connection process that have blinded a whole world to believe that the theory of relativity was infallibly.

All you need is the math based on the Lorentz Equation, - read the paper, - all you need is in this case simple kindergarten math, and its all in the paper.

The keyword for SR is how the total energy of a moving object is contributing to local strengthen the matter / space connection, or if you prefer the local “tension of space”, near and inside the object.

General Relativity.
In general Relativity it is different.
Now it is only about how space and matter interact with each other, under different circumstances.

In this case it is not the object itself that due to its own total energy variation is causing any relativistic change, but only the environment that differs depending on how deep inside a field of gravity an orbiting object get..

We already know that the influence of GR and SR are opposites..
The theoretical aspect is; - the more matter “compete” to pull elastic space, - the more difficult it is for a particle to be “involved” is the elastic nature of pace, and therefore less M and less E.

This mean the deeper inside a gravitational field an object moves, the more you must expect speed increment anomalies.

Regardless whether you like the last interpretation, its not changing the fact that GR and SR are (normally) opposites, and again you can use the Lorentz equation to calculate the GR-influences.

The best possible way to scientific test that part of the theory is; - flyby manure.
It’s very simple, - the deeper you inside a gravitational field a space probes get, - the more you shall expect speed increment anomalies.

I think that if the circumstance’s for the Galileo 5 & 6 test is OK, - and the test probably done, - we will also very soon see speed increment anomalies connected with these Space probes, which will be enough to explain any "perihelion precisions anomalies of these space probes" - and therefore the hypothetical curved space is dead..

So Galileo 5 & 6 test could easy be the starting gun to bring down , let me say 50% of GR. – Notice only half of GR is sick..

It is the exact same principle / law of nature responsible for the perihelion anomaly of mercury. This anomaly is also caused due to different matter / space connection, when approaching the Sun.

Which mean, you do no longer need Einstein’s theory, to explain the cause of gravity.

That's still too vague to constitute a prediction that can be tested.

You've repeatedly mentioned a specific experiment that will be done in the ISS in the near future.

What range of results are the scientists expecting that would be consistent with General Relativity?

What range of results are YOU expecting that would support your theory yet not be consistent with General relativity?

What equations do you use to reach those conclusions?

 

[phunk]

I made a 100% perfect prediction.

You shall except the exact oppesite time dilation, relative to TRUE speed, and measured from Earth.

The ONLY challenge is to figure out TRUE speed.

Moving 45 degree north will decrease true absolute speed 50%
Lets say the expected SR effect is based on 7000 km/s
Therefore true speed will be reduced to 3500 km/s
Addition true speed is also 3500 km/s
And therefore it is all pretty simple, these 2 effects will cancel out

Moving 67,5 degree north =75 % true speed reduction, - 75% of 7000 km/s = 5250 km/s - based on that speed the SR time dilation will be exact oppesite as expected..
The remaining difference (1750 km/s) will based on that speed, results in expected time dilation .

Moving 100% north, will reduce true speed with 7000 km/s and excactly in that moment you will expect total oppesite time dilation as expected.

This is excactly so quantitative effective as if I would say tomorrow at 12 a clock, a stone will fall down from the moon. and at 12,30 a ½ stone will fall from the moon.

Now how big the stone is, and was before and was for 100 years ago and why it happen and not happen bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla more quantitative math and bla bla bla bla happen or not jhappen bla bla bla

Is really not important...

What is important, don’t get any of these stones in your head, because you would then look really smashed out.

So now watch up for the stones, and don't bla bla too much..

This would have been seen a long time ago in a variety of experiments that have already been done. Particle accelerators for example would have different results based on their orientation.

 

[John Nowak]

This only clearly demonstrate with 3463418135128951278527 % certianty that you have not ready anything about the theory.

I think this post pretty much sums up why it would be a 100% waste of time to ready about your theory.

 

[Bjarne]

You've repeatedly mentioned a specific experiment that will be done in the ISS in the near future.

What range of results are the scientists expecting that would be consistent with General Relativity?

GR-Time dilation will be the same for GR and Modifed Theory of relativity. (MRT), - MRT asserts that time (and everything else) is stretched proportional.. therefore the time dilation aspect is unchanged..

What range of results are YOU expecting that would support your theory yet not be consistent with General relativity?
What equations do you use to reach those conclusions?

If you have calculated one Lorentz factor, you have calculated them all, just manipulate and meter will be time, and so soon you really understand this you will also easy understand how redshift will be blueshift, - and gravity will be dark energy..

This is why I have tried to tell you, it is all about the Lorentz transformation..

It is in fact incredible easy what went wrong

 

[halleyscomet]

This would have been seen a long time ago in a variety of experiments that have already been done. Particle accelerators for example would have different results based on their orientation.

The important detail is Bjarne has a religious belief, not a scientific thesis. He has certain beliefs about how the universe functions and, because that's the extent to which he comprehends science, he thinks actual physicists operate the same way. That's why his efforts at a mathematical support of his belief system are so comically inept. He seems to really believe that's how real scientists use math, as window dressing to the words that describe the images in their imagination, so he uses it the same way.

That's why it makes perfect sense that he's never worked though the implications of his religious belief in relation to things like particle colliders and GPS satellites. True, he can come up with an on-the-spot excuse when challenged, but he's not proactively using his ideas to explore the universe and probe its mysteries. He isn't testing his beliefs against various real-world observations to determine if he's right or not. He isn't REALLY tying to expose the secrets of nature, but to prove himself right.

 

[halleyscomet]

GR-Time dilation will be the same for GR and Modifed Theory of relativity. (MRT), - MRT asserts that time (and everything else) is stretched proportional.. therefore the time dilation aspect is unchanged..



If you have calculated one Lorentz factor, you have calculated them all, just manipulate and meter will be time, and so soon you really understand this you will also easy understand how redshift will be blueshift, - and gravity will be dark energy..

This is why I have tried to tell you, it is all about the Lorentz transformation..

It is in fact incredible easy what went wrong

There you go again.



Harping on the same old, same old debunked nonsense. It's not MY job to run calculations to prove YOUR belief system correct, it's YOUR job to do it. I shouldn't be surprised. You are the person who BRAGS about being lazy and not understanding anything beyond kindergarten math.

Seriously. It's like you're TRYING to bore us by repeating the same act again and again. Do the math or stop harping about it. That greasepaint has already worn off your face and looks ragged and tired.