The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Bjarne]

Then show is the math to prove it.

Oh, wait, you tried and all we got was a spreadsheet of mangled equations you appear to have selected at random.

Even you or a rockets scientist would do you own calculation; it is unavoidably that you clearly will understand, that in a stretching space universe, the relativistic caused variation of the radius of Mercury, is enough to account for the perihelion anomaly..
I have shown approximated data already, these will be refined, - I think you should calculated it yourself, then you would know what we really are talking about..

 

[halleyscomet]

Even you or a rockets scientist would do you own calculation; it is unavoidably that you clearly will understand, that in a stretching space universe, the relativistic caused variation of the radius of Mercury, is enough to account for the perihelion anomaly..

I have shown approximated data already, these will be refined, - I think you should calculated it yourself, then you would know what we really are talking about..

That's not how science works. You're the one making the claim. It's your responsibility to prove it right. If you can't be bothered to do math you insist is trivial nobody else is going to do it for you.

You may be the laziest conspiracy theorist I've ever encountered.

 

[Bjarne]

So do the math, what distance do you get with a clock that ticks out less time?

Hint: the answer is in the question.

When the speed of light is 1 m/s and you measure the travel time to 100 second, - the photon must have moved 100 meter.
Now if you sister say she only measured the travel time to 50 s. - the distance is only 50 meter

So now is the photon and path the photon have travel (the universe) both Schizophrenic ?

Or is the ruler just a innocent variant ?

Anything else you need help for ?

 

[The Man]

The very first step is only to keep the possibility open, what if space is stretching, not curving. Anyone can calculate (so good they can) - the fact is it cannot be denied this have huge consequences for our worldview..

Again a curved space has well defined properties and can't be confused with a flat space (stretched or not). Again "space" is this sense just meaning a general mathematical "space" since in relativity it is space-time that is curved. The possibility you have to keep open is that it is just you who is confused.

 

[halleyscomet]

When the speed of light is 1 m/s and you measure the travel time to 100 second, - the photon must have moved 100 meter.
Now if you sister say she only measured the travel time to 50 s. - the distance is only 50 meter

So now is the photon and path the photon have travel (the universe) both Schizophrenic ?

Or is the ruler just a innocent variant ?

Anything else you need help for ?

Seriously?

When asked for the math to support any aspect of your science denial that's the best you can come up with?

Where DID you get your science education? Were you home schooled? Did you go to an exceptional poorly run religious school?

 

[The Man]

When the speed of light is 1 m/s and you measure the travel time to 100 second, - the photon must have moved 100 meter.
Now if you sister say she only measured the travel time to 50 s. - the distance is only 50 meter.

So the distance for your sister is less not more as it would be if, well, "stretched"?

What would your sister say about the distance you report?

So now is the photon and path the photon have travel (the universe) both Schizophrenic ?

Nope not Schizophrenic just that coordinate values depend on the coordinate system used. Even Galilean relativity with fixed clocks and rulers shows that.

Or is the ruler just a innocent variant ?

As a ruler is just something of some distance its length will also be reported differently by some observers using different frames of reference. Look what happens to your 100 meter ruler above and who reports the others distance as being smaller or larger.

Anything else you need help for ?

I just hope this has finally helped you. Again remember that each is at rest with their own rulers and clocks and it is the others rulers and clocks they will report as being different.

 

[Daylightstar]

AH, that one is easy:
Curved space: Verified fact.

You mean

• No evidence
• Conflict with quantum physic
• Conflict with science (black holes)
• NASA employéer, - no gravitational lensing observed

...

Bjarne, can space curve around matter like for instance planets and even around individual atoms?

 

[The Man]

The only objective result they get is measured time.

Since they will report different times it is subjective not objective and specifically subject to the coordinate system (reference frame) used.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Ignorant statements about SR or GR make you a crank

Funny I was thrown out of a scientific forum for claiming exactly like that...

You may have been thrown out of a forum, but more likely for the incoherent nonsense that you posted in a thread that derailed away from science.
Is the speed of light always 299 792 458 m / s

Exactly. And every time it starts going in the direction of science, one of the members here pushes it back. Thread closed

29 August 2016 Bjarne: Ignorant statements about SR or GR where rulers vary makes you a crank.
29 August 2016 Bjarne: "fanatic intolerant and brainwashed" remarks make you a crank.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Ignorance even in red does not make you look any smarter about SR or GR

No amigo...

29 August 2016 Bjarne: Ignorance even in red does not make you look any smarter about SR or GR.

Some "kindergarten" physics for you. An observer traveling at a speed relative to a ruler will measure the ruler to be shorter than an observer at rest with respect to the ruler. The length of rulers vary in SR ! GR is an extension of SR - the length of rulers vary on GR!

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Argument from an ignorant image about the orbit of Mercury

http://science27.com/forum/mercurian.jpg

29 August 2016 Bjarne: Argument from an ignorant image about the orbit of Mercury!
What we have is a application of your RR delusion to the perihelion of Mercury to get an irrelevant number which is not the perihelion precession of Mercury !
The perihelion precession of Mercury is 574.10±0.65 arcsec/Julian century not kilometers .

 

[Reality Check]

Well, first off your first value would be negative for the equation given.

We do not even have to look at the numbers to see that Bjarne's image is so utterly ignorant that it is delusional, The Man. Look at the units and see that nowhere is a "arcsec/Julian century" which is the units of a perihelion precession.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: A lie about calculating 80% of the perihelion anomaly of Mercury

... is enough to demonstrate the cause of 80% of the perihelion anomaly.

That is a lie, Bjarne, because the perihelion precession of Mercury is observed to be 574.10±0.65 arcsec/Julian century with an anomaly of 43 arcsec/Julian century and you calculate no perihelion precession values at all!
29 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie about calculating 80% of the perihelion anomaly of Mercury when you calculate no perihelion precession values at all.

29 August 2016 Bjarne: A fantasy that calculating 80% of any observation means that his RR delusion is correct because he can add a "change of the free fall geodesic path" delusion.
GR calculates a value for the perihelion precession of Mercury that is 99.91% correct !

 

[The Man]

We do not even have to look at the numbers to see that Bjarne's image is so utterly ignorant that it is delusional, The Man. Look at the units and see that nowhere is a "arcsec/Julian century" which is the units of a perihelion precession.

Wait, I thought it was arcsec/julienne fry!!! Makes more sense now, thanks.







Seriously though, I didn't notice that so thanks.



http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/grel.html

 

[Reality Check]

Yes excactly like a schizophrenic insane, ....

This sounds like the really dumb argument from ignorance or incredibility that because time dilation and length contraction exist that SR/GR is "schizophrenic".
Two observers at test wrt each other and in the same gravitational field will agree on the measured length of rulers and the ticking of clocks. This is not "schizophrenic" to rational, knowledgeable people.
Add velocity (SR) and the observers will measure each others rulers and clocks to be different. This is not "schizophrenic" to rational, knowledgeable people.
Add gravity (GR) and the observers will measure each others rulers and clocks to be different. This is not "schizophrenic" to rational, knowledgeable people.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne:A lie - curvature of spacetime was never "stretching space"

The point is that stretching space was misunderstood and became curvature of space.

29 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie about the history of GR - curvature of spacetime was never "stretching space".
You have never cited any scientist or theory before Einstein and GR in 1915 with a "stretching space" theory of gravitation. The curvature of spacetime is basically derived from considering the equivalence principle.

For interested people, I recommend the videos of Leonard Susskind's lectures on GR at Stanford University. There are 12 1.5 hour long lectures including student questions which can be educational.

 

[Reality Check]

Now if you sister say she only measured the travel time to 50 s. - the distance is only 50 meter

No - we would say that you are lying about what the sister says by missing out vital information, Bjarne.
If the sister is traveling at a different velocity then she will measure her brothers times and so distances (that 100 meters) as half her distances. This is time dilation !
If the sister is in a vastly different gravitational field then she will measure her brothers times and so distances (that 100 meters) as half her distances. This is gravitational time dilation !

 

[Perpetual Student]

When the speed of light is 1 m/s and you measure the travel time to 100 second, - the photon must have moved 100 meter.
Now if you sister say she only measured the travel time to 50 s. - the distance is only 50 meter

So now is the photon and path the photon have travel (the universe) both Schizophrenic ?

Or is the ruler just a innocent variant ?

Anything else you need help for ?

These comments are nothing less than farcical. You are flailing around with these half-baked notions with no coherent model, no observational or experimental support and no mathematics. You have demonstrated that you have no idea how a scientific statement is structured and have shown an embarrassing lack of understanding of physics.

 

[Bjarne]

Again a curved space has well defined properties and can't be confused with a flat space (stretched or not). Again "space" is this sense just meaning a general mathematical "space" since in relativity it is space-time that is curved. The possibility you have to keep open is that it is just you who is confused.

Notice that length contractions not is a consequence of SR or GR, it is a consequence of the Lorentz equation
Length contraction was known in the late 1800.

So Einstein begun to speculate and constructed a theory based on the already known mysterious Lorenz Equations, .
The fact is that the so called "curvature of space" aspect is never proven to be correct,. It was and is still nothing but speculation. – I am not saying this to provoke anybody, but only because this is a fact.

The curvature of space concept is only an attempt to try to solve mysterious consequences of Lorentz equation. Nothing more than this

I think you are unaware of the fact that time dilation also already was a consequence of the Lorenz equation, even before the theory of relativity.

Einstein believed his speculation could explain what really happen – in the real world – to achieve that he invented, - the so-called, - "curvature space".
He combined the 2 already known distance and time dilemma and invented “space-time”..
Again... the distortion of time and distance was known 25 years before his theory, therefore Einstein did not have any kind of patent, trying to explain this fact.

Dear dear dear “The man” – and other man and beast,........ a stretching space theory is also build on the Lorentz equation, and also build on the same time-distance distortion, - it also include length contraction, and time dilation.

The only difference is only WHAT SPACE REALLY DOES

The consequences based on a modified theory of relativity (MTR) based on stretching space, - compared to the and the well-known curvature concept is….. that MTR....

• Is logic digestible, especially for unspoiled students.
• It build on a NONE schizophrenic and therefore none insane worldview.
• It is not causing any HUGE conflict with quantum physic,
• It is not causing problems with other aspect of science such as so called black holes.
• It is not claiming that gravitational lensing; MUST exist (which now is denied by a high ranging NASA astrophysicist that claims such is never detected.
• It allow a simple and natural explanation, what dark energy really is, - just the opposite, - release of stretching space.
• It even explains why so called dark energy (release of gravity) is “”accelerating””
• It makes it possible to connect space to the strong nuclear interaction.
• It makes it possible to understand gravity as a side effect of the strong force and therefore united
• It can explain the perihelion anomaly only based on Newtonian classic physic.
• It reveals that NASA have swept the pioneer anomaly under the blanket.
• It clear and simple explain why space probes are accelerating when approaching close to the Earth
• It can predict a SR – ISS test anomaly
• It can predict and prove that Dark Flow is true.
• And my friend it opens the universe to you in many many other ways, you and many fools are not willing to understand for no reason compared to the HUGE amount of problems connected to the prevailing understanding..

 

[dasmiller]

Bjarne, in your quest for a polar-orbiting spacecraft, have you looked into Ulysses? It's in a near-polar orbit around the sun, roughly at the same radius as Jupiter, so rather than orbit into the 'dark flow' for maybe an hour at a time like ISS, Ulysses would have been fighting (or being pushed by?) the 'dark flow' for a full 3 years before it finally switched direction relative to the dark flow.

And yet I find no reference to a "Ulysses anomaly."