Trakar
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The thermohaline circulation has being "upplayed" in all these analysis of a warming world. The themohaline circulation is the ultimate evidence of how intricate and delicate equilibrium is. Now that we have kicked the chessboard, stertors and the occasional convulsion are to be expected.
Well, for most of modern history (as short as that epoch is) we have seemingly had a very regular and steady global thermohaline circulation pattern. However, as much of my climate understanding and focus is devoted to, and derived from, paleoclimate research, this has not always been the case. It is probably rare to completely lose all thermohaline circulation, but the disruption of global circulation patterns appears to rather frequently (over longer timeframes) degrade to focus more around the system of local and regional circulation systems that seem to isolate themselves somewhat from each other and aren't near as efficient or effective at global transfer and dispersal of heat energy. These don't tend to be long-term stable, but they can cause a lot of biosystem disruption while they exist.
I'm seeing in those graphics the SH increasingly ditching surplus heat, as the mixed layer in the Southern Ocean can reach dephs up to 650m during Winter and the combination of sea ice creation with their brine columns sinking, the strong winds with 20 to 30 feet waves everywhere every time, and the continuous arrival of temperate water by means of Brazil, Mozambique and East Australia currents makes the region a food processor in a planetary scale...
That wind trend is curious as well, are you talking about tropical or sub tropical winds, or the far southern seas? Are we seeing a strengthening of the polar gyres which are driving these winds, or, in your opinion, is this a consequence of some other factor? There was a lot more talk of this back at the beginning of the decade (2010-2011).
Denialists centred on the "pause" just to drive attention away from the massive developments in the climate system. They earned 15 years for their lobbying patrons (and many of them did it for free! how stupid can they be?). The only consolation is there are now many candidates repeating the stupid bits, but the money is no longer coming to them.
That's public policy (AKA politics), and to be quite frank with you, I've given up hope for successful, substantive AGW action. I'm just still intrigued by the science and as long as I can keep myself distracted with the science, I don't have to spend all my time grieving for the unnecessary loss of life, waste of national resources and damage to the planet's biosystem that is the result of our own short-sighted ignorance and arrogance.
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