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Milwaukee Riots

"Dindu"? What the heck? Are they inventing racial slurs without consulting me, again?

I protest.
 
Instead of just talking about old racist points that have been refuted again and again, let's do something useful:

in the Baltimore thread, just before Milwalkee blew up (as in, earlier that day), some of us were discussing how policing in general is done in the US. My view was that the solution is ultimately going to have to be more proactive than just waiting until mass protests or riots, and then sending in the DoJ to find exactly what every black person in the city had been saying for years - namely that the police were violent and abusing towards them, and cared far more about numbers than about crime.

So, I decided to look a bit into Milwaukee, and discovered - to no shock of my own - that people have been complaining about their police for years. In fact, it had gone so far that none other than Jesse Jackson himself led a rally, in response to the killing of Dontre Hamilton, a mentally ill man who was asleep in a park when an officer fought and killed him.

Granted, I'm looking at this from Maryland, so I'm sure local people could provide additional insights on the ground.
 
marplots said:
It's in the OP.

I finally googled it. The images it brings up are pretty disgusting.
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Ah. Of course he would use it. I don't bother reading his racist crap, so I missed it.

ETA: I really should have. I mean, I really should have! "Dindu thug"!? HAHAHAHAHA, Thank you, skeptic, for giving me ammunition for the next time someone claims that nobody uses "thug" as a code word for the old Black Brute stereotype!
 
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Mumbles said:
Instead of just talking about old racist points that have been refuted again and again, let's do something useful:

in the Baltimore thread, just before Milwalkee blew up (as in, earlier that day), some of us were discussing how policing in general is done in the US. My view was that the solution is ultimately going to have to be more proactive than just waiting until mass protests or riots, and then sending in the DoJ to find exactly what every black person in the city had been saying for years - namely that the police were violent and abusing towards them, and cared far more about numbers than about crime.
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It isn't like this DOJ reports mean anything though. Has there been any substantive reform in Fergison after the way the cops there openly admitted their violations of citizens constitutional rights to the DOJ?
 
ponderingturtle said:
It isn't like this DOJ reports mean anything though. Has there been any substantive reform in Fergison after the way the cops there openly admitted their violations of citizens constitutional rights to the DOJ?
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It's a mixed record even while taking extra money from taxpayers- and it usually takes years, with the findings being step one. After that is the consent decree, which Ferguson finally accepted last March, after their council hemmed and hawed over it.

I simply have no idea how this decades-long problem could take anything less than years to solve, in any case. But since the federal government helped to create it without need for decrees and microscopic focusing (ie. the Crime Bill, selling off military equipment to any local police force), I figure they can also help to fix it without that sort of nonsense.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Surely there must be a thread already? But I did not see one. Apologies if I missed it but I'm on my phone and searching is not optimal.

The diverse denizens of Milwaukee are rioting on behalf of the latest cop-evading, arrest-resisting dindu thug with a long rap sheet. They sure know how to keep their powder dry and go to bat for truly deserving civil rights heroes. Of course, that's implying that there's ever an appropriate case to use as justification for burning stores and dragging white women out of passing cars to beat for explicitly anti-white reasons.

I've seen no evidence that this demographic is compatible with an ordered, civilized, or safe society. I've seen a whole lot of evidence that they aren't.

Milwaukee has been Detroit-ified and made unrecognizable by demographic changes and they are the same changes which, without any exceptions that I'm aware of, always have the same impact on any American city or neighborhood in which they take place: they become dysfunctional, crime-ridden hell holes in which victimization if you're white and try to walk through is virtually guaranteed.

Thoughts?
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Lets see, you're talking about a small area on the north side, that has been having serious problems for years. Yet, Shakespeare in the park is going on near where the riots happened, in a park that's in yet another black neighborhood & the only problem we've had is a few cigarette butts left on the stage.

My wife & I live in a mostly black neighborhood in Racine (a little ways south of Milwaukee) has been out walking at all times of night sometimes with a white female friend, & the only problems they've had is a cou0le of guys teying to pick them up & a cop who assumed they must be there to buy drungs & wouldn't leave them alone until my wife walked back to our apartment & opened our door with her key. Not much has happened for Dave & Tony either. (Older white guys in wheel chairs.)other than a cop with the durh thing again & a local alcoholic who keeps thinking Dave's van is his (despite the vans being totally different.)

What those idiots in Sherman Park are doing is moronic & I hope they get caught & go to jail but once again you're trying to blame the entire Black race for the actions of a few & you're failing.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
100 years ago!?!



I'd love to hear which rights were violated in the Milwaukee incident.

What's become clear at this point is that the vast majority of black communities in the US are complete and utter failures by just about any metric. As I mentioned upthread, it's a pretty tough job to explain it as racism or oppression in the Milwaukee case.
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It snapped because of a long time of complaining about the police department & nothing being done. Still wrong but it's not like this one incident was the sole reason for the riot.

Also, how many black communities have you been too? I mean I live in a black community, grew up in one, most of my extended family lives in one now, never had anything like what's happening in Sherman Park now. How many have you visited?
 
marplots said:
"Dindu"? What the heck? Are they inventing racial slurs without consulting me, again?

I protest.
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At first I thought it sounded Indian (from India) to me. I'd never heard of it until I read this thread. just now.

I really don't think its offensive per se, although I find some of the imagery it brings up in Google disturbing and disgusting, but IMO its probably no worse that calling someone a "gunna".
 
smartcooky said:
At first I thought it sounded Indian (from India) to me. I'd never heard of it until I read this thread. just now.

I really don't think its offensive per se, although I find some of the imagery it brings up in Google disturbing and disgusting, but IMO its probably no worse that calling someone a "gunna".
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You have to take context into consideration. I think it is clear the OP used "dindu" as a racial slur.
 
332nd said:
It snapped because of a long time of complaining about the police department & nothing being done. Still wrong but it's not like this one incident was the sole reason for the riot.

Also, how many black communities have you been too? I mean I live in a black community, grew up in one, most of my extended family lives in one now, never had anything like what's happening in Sherman Park now. How many have you visited?
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The thing its that determined rioters are not going let truth stand in the way of their rioting. While there may be have been ongoing and previous issues between the black community and the police, in this case, the officer concerned was fully justified in shooting the suspect.

"The officer involved in the shooting was a black police officer, and he had his body camera on at the time of the shooting. The suspect, Sylville Smith, 23, was indeed black, but he wasn’t shot while just running away.

After reviewing the shooting footage, Milwaukee Chief Edward Flynn said, 'The individual did turn toward the officer with a firearm in his hand.' Chief Flynn added that Smith was 'raising up with the gun at the time that he was shot by the officer."

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/bodycam-sylville-smith-milwaukee-shooting/
 
dudalb said:
You have to take context into consideration. I think it is clear the OP used "dindu" as a racial slur.
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However, it not exclusively racist like the n word. There are plenty of white bad guys who "dindu nuffin"! Prisons are full of them!!
 
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332nd said:
It snapped because of a long time of complaining about the police department & nothing being done. Still wrong but it's not like this one incident was the sole reason for the riot.

Also, how many black communities have you been too? I mean I live in a black community, grew up in one, most of my extended family lives in one now, never had anything like what's happening in Sherman Park now. How many have you visited?
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inorite?

Truth is, my old stomping grounds of Roxbury had somewhat similar problems with the police. A large part of what helped was getting buy-in from the city government - starting with Ray Flynn, and really picking up under Tom Menino.

And I recall nothing of the magnitude that we're seeing now, even during the Charles Stuart case back when, as we see so often now, police were going wild to the point of strip-searching people in public.

The difference was that the overtures towards police reform, environmental cleanup, and so on, were accepted by the city, rather than getting slapped down as some violent confession of war. And the end result was that police and local activists worked *together* to solve crimes, tell criminals that they had to clean up their acts, and so forth.

Were there issues? Of course. I personally witnessed a bussing company just dumping human waste into a storm drain. There were arguments over what to do with Dudley Station. But these problems can be resolved to the satisfaction of...most. and it doesn't require police beating people for sitting on their own porches, nor letting violent drug dealers run rampant.
 
ponderingturtle said:
It isn't like this DOJ reports mean anything though. Has there been any substantive reform in Fergison after the way the cops there openly admitted their violations of citizens constitutional rights to the DOJ?
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Ferguson PD was tiny, though. About 50 officers, I think. Probably not enough to have any overall ripple effect.

Milwaukee PD is about 1900 officers, according to Wiki. Even though this shooting was apparently totally justified, I expect the DOJ to use the incident to try to force changes.
 
smartcooky said:
The thing its that determined rioters are not going let truth stand in the way of their rioting. While there may be have been ongoing and previous issues between the black community and the police, in this case, the officer concerned was fully justified in shooting the suspect.
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How could you possibly know this, so early into the investigation?
 
Mumbles said:
How could you possibly know this, so early into the investigation?
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We have had widespread rioting moments after incidents, where most of the rioters can't possibly know anything about the actual incident.

I think it's pretty clear that we have quite a bit of rioting just to riot.

Possibly even quite a bit of social network organized rioting just to riot.

Possibly even organized by deliberately false messages?
 
smartcooky said:
because of the part of my post you deliberately ignored.
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I read your entire post.

I also favor on the side of the cop in this particular case. The guy who was shot sounds like a read piece of scum.

Do you have the body cam recording? Is it perfectly clear?

The answer to the first is "no". It has not been released, and even the man speaking on it only saw a still image, by his own word.

The answer to the second is also a likely "no". And that's the nature of video. They simply don't capture everything from every angle, like a reconstruction on Bones or some other show.

So, I reiterate my question. How could you possibly know this, so early into the investigation?
 
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