The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Bjarne]

Confirming that you are wrote a lie by writing the lie again is bad, Bjarne.
5 August 2016 Bjarne: Repeats the lie about Etstahiou's quote by cutting the first word that he stated before was "As" !

A dumb request to Google for what we already have - Planck maps the dawn of time - George Efstathiou full interview!
He starts with a description of the inflationary phase (a patch of spacetime expanding rapidly).
He goes on to Planck being "designed to give use some experimental information which can tell us what happened at these very early times".
At 1:20 "The results, our first results from Planck agree spectacularly well with this idea", i.e. inflation.
At 3:09 he states that Planck data confirms inflation and that the data is good enough to look at what drove inflation.
At 3:39 he starts on the puzzles in the data.
At 5:10 He is asked a question and his reply starts with the difficulty of statistically quantify large scale differences between theory and observation with our one universe..
At 5:40 he says "Umm. But the if we see um these strange patterns that are not expected you know in inflationary theory, the simplest inflationary theories, and so there's a real possibility that we have an incomplete picture. Ehm it may be that eh we've been fooled, that inflation ehm didn't happen".
At 7:00 he is asked "Do you think that these Planck results will blow open the theory". His reply is "Its a possibility. There were hints of problems from the WMAP satellite..."
At 7:21 "With Planck we have so much precision that the small scale picture is really very, very secure. And there the theory agrees brilliantly well but when you get precise information on small scales, you can quantify better, much more securely, you can quantify the anomalies on large scales and that is where we have got a, you know, potential problem with the Planck results."

I had thought that the extract in the short video was just badly edited but now I suspect that it mislead on purpose by cutting out the middle of the statement:
"Umm. But the if we see um these strange patterns that are not expected you know in inflationary theory, the simplest inflationary theories, and so there's a real possibility that we have an incomplete picture. Ehm it may be that eh we've been fooled, that inflation ehm didn't happen".

The RR fantasy appearing on 15 October 2009 here, continued ignorance of high school level science and digging a pit of fantasies from Bjarne (82 items of ignorance, fantasy and delusion in this thread alone!).
2 August 2016 Bjarne: A delusion that evidence that the inflationary model is invalid would be announced in a YouTube video.
2 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie by quote mining Professor George Etstahiou - cutting out a word he knows was spoken.
2 August 2016 Bjarne: Ignorance about inflation which is not "that the universe started with a singularity".
3 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie based on ignorance of the evidence that is the basis for [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)"]inflation and its confirmed prediction.[/URL]

See all this from a larger perspective my dear
Your paradigm is more shaken than ever before
It can all collapse ever second
George Efstathiou encourages all to help´, to explain what's going on

I have proposed an alternative that solves a wide range of really big problems with our paradigm

You that is so clever and has gone so long at the university, what is your contribution?

How do you think these challenges can be solved?

Only a coward runs away when it really counts

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Repeats the delusion of "Your paradigm is more shaken than ever before"

See all this from a larger perspective my dear

The wider perspective, my dear, is the Planck maps the dawn of time - George Efstathiou full interview that shows that you are lying about what he stated.
5 August 2016 Bjarne: Repeats the lie about Etstahiou's quote by cutting the first word that he stated before was "As" !

5 August 2016 Bjarne: Repeats the delusion of "Your paradigm is more shaken than ever before"
5 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie about an alternative to solve imaginary "really big problems".

There are issues with inflation and the Planck data as George Efstathiou described in the full interview. You have not proposed anything to fix them or even shown that you know what they are.

The RR fantasy appearing on 15 October 2009 here, continued ignorance of high school level science and digging a pit of fantasies from Bjarne (82 items of ignorance, fantasy and delusion in this thread alone!).
2 August 2016 Bjarne: A delusion that evidence that the inflationary model is invalid would be announced in a YouTube video.
2 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie by quote mining Professor George Etstahiou - cutting out a word he knows was spoken.
2 August 2016 Bjarne: Ignorance about inflation which is not "that the universe started with a singularity".
3 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie based on ignorance of the evidence that is the basis for [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)"]inflation and its confirmed prediction.[/URL]

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: List the "really big problems" in inflation (that "paradigm")

I have proposed an alternative that solves a wide range of really big problems with our paradigm

5 August 2016 Bjarne: List the "really big problems" in inflation (that "paradigm") and show that you have a scientific solution to each of them.
No fact less fantasies about an RR delusion please. As you put it:

How do you think these challenges can be solved?

Only a coward runs away when it really counts

 

[The Man]

Mass distribution of our universe is limit
Most likely we live in a multiverse, such must logical be without limit.

Your assertion was "a limit size." not "Mass distribution" and was about this "The universe" not "a multiverse". Dishonesty will not help you.

No because then it will be longer, the universe is not "longer" when mass is stretching space.

Yes, stretching stuff makes it longer. Don't want it to be longer then don't claim it is "stretching"

In depend on the context where "lost" is used.

Your context and text was that your tension was released everywhere. Again if that is not what you want to say, then just don't say it.

A gravitational wave (release of space tension) is in its nature unstoppable.

Who said anything about stopping a gravitational wave?

But an opposite effect (reborn of gravity) can counteract such process of space-tension release.

OK, so you just said your "unstoppable" wave is, well, stoppable.

I am sure this too will confuse you, too, -- so let’s better stop , you don’t want to understand anything and that’s fine.
This is last time I try to help you, next time I will ignore you pretending of seeing contradiction everywhere, that doesn’t exist, except in your head.

I'm not confused and again threatening increased deliberate ignorance on your part is in no way compelling.

Matter = absorbed space, or compressed space.
Near matter space is stretching towards matter, due to the "lose" /absorption.
I am sure this too will confuse you, too, -- so let’s better stop , you don’t want to understand anything and that’s fine.
This is last time I try to help you, next time I will ignore you pretending of seeing contradiction everywhere, that doesn’t exist, except in your head.

Actually units of mass (matter) include Newton Second² Meter^-1. You are more then welcome to show how you quantitatively arrive at such units just from "absorbed space, or compressed space"

No I explained you the cause of cosmological gravitational shift

You're the only one who brought up Doppler shift. Again if you don't like it then don't do it

I never said that..

Yes you did, in reference to Doppler shift which again only you brought up.

When you will lose a penny, falling into a sewer, you have lost the penny, but the city you live, the country you live in, and the earth or the universe did not lost that penny, either did the multi universe.
So our universe can lose gravity, but a multi universe that most likely is infinite, will not lose it..
I am sure this too will confuse you, too, -- so let’s better stop , you don’t want to understand anything and that’s fine.
This is last time I try to help you, next time I will ignore you pretending of seeing contradiction everywhere, that doesn’t exist, except in your head

We were not talking about gravity in the "multi universe" but gravity in this universe. Try to maintain at least some focus.

I have explained this above.
And I am sure that even though I would explain it to you 1272535 times, you will still not want to understand it
I am sure this too will confuse you, too, -- so let’s better stop , you don’t want to understand underthings and that’s fine.
This is last time I try to help you, next time I will ignore you pretending of seeing contradiction everywhere, that doesn’t exist, except in your head

No, you didn't explain anything but simply tried to pawn off your old gravity from this universe onto a "multi universe". It doesn't help you where it comes from as your propagating at the speed of light change can't overtake emissions before, has already passed for emissions after and travels with emission at the same time as the wave is passing. It has no effect in that direction. The only effect it can have is to blue shift emissions that cross it from the other direction, due to the change in potential. Confusion and deliberate ignorance, as well as threats of increasing such, are weapons you wield extremely poorly.

Remember what I wrote about the penny you lost...
I am sure this too will confuse you, too, -- so let’s better stop , you don’t want to understand anything and that’s fine.
This is last time I try to help you, next time I will ignore you pretending of seeing contradiction everywhere, that doesn’t exist, except in your head

Remember, I wrote about the lack of red-shift from your "wave". I have no doubt you will continue to ignore the assertions made here, even your own, and continue to just confuse yourself with Doppler shift, lost pennies and a "multi universe" (with or without "Mass distribution").

You mean whether I had the universe into a laboratory ?
I am sure this too will confuse you, too, -- so let’s better stop , you don’t want to understand anything and that’s fine.
This is last time I try to help you, next time I will ignore you pretending of seeing contradiction everywhere, that doesn’t exist, except in your head

No I mean the tension experiment I mentioned before. Here it is again.

I don't think you understand how tension or stress actually work. So here is an experiment for you..


Get a hanging scale like this...

https://www.grainger.com/product/3N...8237!&ef_id=V4PU6AAAAcnB3JKm:20160804155336:s

Tie a length of rope or string to each end. Tie the other end of one of the lengths to an anchor point and pull on the other free length. Note the tension and response of the scale.

Reverse the scale so the other end is anchored and the opposite free. Again note the tension and response of the scale as you pull on the free end.

Now just leave both ends free and pull on them both at the same time. Again note the tension and response of the scale as you pull on both ends. In this case you can even pull with more force in one direction than the other. Which in this configuration would cause the the set up to move in the direction of the greater force.

What you will find is that it doesn't make any difference to the scale, the tension or the stress whether you pull on one end, the other or both (even unbalanced), there is just a total tension.

 

[The Man]

Now lets say 380.000 years later the strong force and gravity is reborn. This will start the oppesite effect.. But because space is still not tension free at that time, its not a simple situation to deal with.

I thought this 380,000 year value looked familiar. That is actually when the universe became transparent to EM radiation (recombination epoch). About 378,000 years after the big bang and corresponding to a temperature of 4000 K. This is when the cosmic background radiation was emitted.

"gravity is reborn" or separates from the other forces at the end of the Planck epoch. Only 10^-43 seconds after the big bang and corresponds to a temperature of about 10³²K.

"the strong force" "is reborn" or separates form the electroweak force at about 10^-32 seconds after the big bang corresponding to a temperature of around 10²⁸K to 10²²K

Electromagnetic force separates from the weak force at about 10^-12 seconds and 10¹²K.

So by Bjarne's idea and his own accounting his "gravity is reborn" gravitational wave has already traveled 380,000 light years before the CBR is even emitted. His wave can't cause any change in the CBR even just by his own accounting. Again, as already asserted before, even if we are generous and suppose his "gravity is reborn" gravitational wave is generated at the same time as the CBR it still doesn't help as it simply travels with the CBR causing no potential difference (and thus no shift) between the emitter and the observer, in the direction of propagation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe

 

[Bjarne]

The wider perspective, my dear, is the Planck maps the dawn of time - George Efstathiou full interview that shows that you are lying about what he stated.

Lol

 

[Bjarne]

5 August 2016 Bjarne: List the "really big problems" in inflation (that "paradigm") and show that you have a scientific solution to each of them.
No fact less fantasies about an RR delusion please. As you put it:

How do you think these challenges can be solved?

It shows you have not read the paper, or very much of what I really write

 

[Bjarne]

I thought this 380,000 year value looked familiar. That is actually when the universe became transparent to EM radiation (recombination epoch). About 378,000 years after the big bang and corresponding to a temperature of 4000 K. This is when the cosmic background radiation was emitted.

Lol

"gravity is reborn" or separates from the other forces at the end of the Planck epoch. Only 10^-43 seconds after the big bang and corresponds to a temperature of about 10³²K

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superstition

"the strong force" "is reborn" or separates form the electroweak force at about 10^-32 seconds after the big bang corresponding to a temperature of around 10²⁸K to 10²²K

superstition

Electromagnetic force separates from the weak force at about 10^-12 seconds and 10¹²K.

superstition

So by Bjarne's idea and his own accounting his "gravity is reborn" gravitational wave has already traveled 380,000 light years before the CBR is even emitted.

Something you understood correct

His wave can't cause any change in the CBR even just by his own accounting.

Why should it ?

Again, as already asserted before, even if we are generous and suppose his "gravity is reborn" gravitational wave is generated at the same time as the CBR it still doesn't help as it simply travels with the CBR causing no potential difference (and thus no shift) between the emitter and the observer, in the direction of propagation.

No one ever wrote suck Lol

 

[Bjarne]

Your assertion was "a limit size." not "Mass distribution"

Why do you not like the mass distribution in our universe ?

"The universe" not "a multiverse".

A water drop is also the ocean, but not all of it.

Yes, stretching stuff makes it longer. Don't want it to be longer then don't claim it is "stretching"

Lets say you have a 1 meter rubber band. now I cut ½ meter off it and eat it, still you have 1 meter rubber band..

No this is not the biggest mystery in the universe, a rubber band can stretch, and still only be 1 meter, after ´cutting ½ meter - so can space after matter have consume som of its elastic nature.
So now you is ready to start from the beginning
Please return to page 1 and read all the theory again..

Yes, stretching stuff makes it longer. Don't want it to be longer then don't claim it is "stretching"

As I wrote above, this is kindergarden school lessons..
Have you been sick to that lesson ?

Your context and text was that your tension was released everywhere. Again if that is not what you want to say, then just don't say it.

Kindergarden schools is also important.

Who said anything about stopping a gravitational wave?

Why not ?

OK, so you just said your "unstoppable" wave is, well, stoppable.

It seems you is a bit confused ... again..
Kindergarden schools is also important.
Rubberband cutting is important knoglege to learn more about.

I'm not confused and again threatening increased deliberate ignorance on your part is in no way compelling.

We were not talking about gravity in the "multi universe" but gravity in this universe. Try to maintain at least some focus.

You cannot limit gravity to a universe, if the universe is part of a multi univers

And now please take the rubber-band-lesson and read everything again based on a new understanding, then you will be 99,999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% less confused I hope

 

[Daylightstar]

tik tak ..... august 2016 ..... nothing.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Lets say you have a 1 meter rubber band. now I cut ½ meter off it and eat it, still you have 1 meter rubber band..

No this is not the biggest mystery in the universe, a rubber band can stretch, and still only be 1 meter, after ´cutting ½ meter - so can space after matter have consume som of its elastic nature.

It takes energy to stretch a rubber band. Where does the energy come from?

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

It takes energy to stretch a rubber band. Where does the energy come from?

Hans

From the strong force
Or if you prefer from the interaction
Stretching space is always how energy is conserved

 

[The Man]

Lol

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superstition


superstition


superstition

Actually calculations based on the relative strengths of the forces (for the temperatures) and how fast the fireball would cool (for the time).

Something you understood correct



Why should it ?

Great, so you don't think your notions should result in a red-shift of the CBR. We agree then. Why are you professing these notions again?

No one ever wrote suck Lol

Sure I did, here it is again...

Come to think of it if the background change is propagating with (in the same direction and same speed as) the emitted EM radiation then there would be no background difference between the source and the receiver. There would be no shift in that direction so this propagating change at the speed of light can't even result in just red-shift in that direction. EM radiation emitted the other way would always be blue shifted as it would be always going from a higher potential to a lower.

And again...

Did you try the experiment? If you did you would find that total tension 'dominates', doesn't matter if it is old or new. Again releasing tension is not the opposite of tension it is just less total tension. The opposite of tension is compression. Again your propagating at the speed of light decrease in tension doesn't result in any red shift as your change in tension travels at the same speed. However it would result in a general blue shift in the other direction that we do not find.

 

[The Man]

Why do you not like the mass distribution in our universe ?

Your mass distribution assertion was not "mass distribution in our universe" but "in a multiverse". Before that it was a size limit in this universe. Why can't you keep just your own assertion straight?

A water drop is also the ocean, but not all of it.

No, one drop does not an ocean make. You claim so yourself by asserting "but not all of it". Why can't you keep just your own assertion straight?

Lets say you have a 1 meter rubber band. now I cut ½ meter off it and eat it, still you have 1 meter rubber band..

If you have a "1 meter rubber band" and "cut ½ meter off" you now have a 1/2 meter rubber band whether you eat what you cut off or not.

As your assertion involves stretching don't you think your experiment should involve and examine the results of stretching as well?

Take your 1 meter rubber band and mark it at say 1 cm intervals. Now stretch your rubber band and what happens to the distance between those marks?

No this is not the biggest mystery in the universe, a rubber band can stretch, and still only be 1 meter, after ´cutting ½ meter - so can space after matter have consume some of its elastic nature.
So now you is ready to start from the beginning
Please return to page 1 and read all the theory again..

Do the experiment above and see what happens to the rubber band when you stretch it. It has never been a mystery that you simply want to ignore what happens when something is stretched. Evidently so much so that your test above didn't even include stretching.

As I wrote above, this is kindergarden school lessons..
Have you been sick to that lesson ?

Kindergarden schools is also important.

You mean your lesson with eating and no stretching? Attempts at kindergarten taunts won't help you. Looking at what happens to, and to distance marked on, your rubber band before and after it is stretched might. Again if you don't like the results of stretching then don't include it as you didn't in your "lesson".

Why not ?

Why not what? Why didn't someone say something about stopping a gravitational wave? I'd expect for the same reason neither of us had said anything about stopping a burglary, it wasn't the topic being discussed.

It seems you is a bit confused ... again..
Kindergarden schools is also important.
Rubberband cutting is important knoglege to learn more about.

Stretching would be more important to learn more about when your assertions require such stretching and you seem to be simply ignoring the results of such.

You cannot limit gravity to a universe, if the universe is part of a multi univers

Great so now your old gravity in this universe can't change as that would be a limit of gravity in this universe. Again please get back to us when you can at least agree with just yourself.

I own a car, others own cars as well. So we obviously live in a multi-car universe. Things can happen to my car and not to others and likewise happen to others and not mine. Alternately some things can happen to all cars. That some things aren't limited to specific cars doesn't mean we can't consider what is happening to one car now. It is actually part of its limits as a individual car, similar to the limits of an individual universe in a multiverse.

When you actually work out what your quantitative multiverse to universe gravitational limits are, do please let us know. You have much work to do.



Not that it matters much anyway as it doesn't matter where your old gravity comes from it is your method of change that fails in any red-shift.

And now please take the rubber-band-lesson and read everything again based on a new understanding, then you will be 99,999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% less confused I hope

Again actually include stretching and what happens as a result in your lesson about, well, stretching and you might learn something. Heck, the results of stretching would get you a red-shift. However, you seem more concerned about just denying expansion rather than just examining the implications of your notions or just a stretched rubber band.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Double post,

 

[MRC_Hans]

From the strong force
Or if you prefer from the interaction
Stretching space is always how energy is conserved

Energy from a force? This is pathetic. Even from you. You aren't even trying any longer.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Energy from a force? This is pathetic. Even from you. You aren't even trying any longer.

Hans

The strong nuclear force, is conserving its energy by absorbing and interacting with space.
Gravíty - the stretch of space, is a side effect..

 

[Steve001]

The strong nuclear force, is conserving its energy by absorbing and interacting with space.
Gravíty - the stretch of space, is a side effect..

Superstition.

 

[Bjarne]

Superstition.

Holistic , coherent theoretical / hypothetical physics

 

[Steve001]

Holistic , coherent theoretical / hypothetical physics

Fancy words, but still superstitious.