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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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To quote, "A review of the documentary situation is important, because it reveals the edifice of guesswork and baseless assumptions upon which the extermination legend (of the jews, ad nauseum) is built. The Germans had an extraordinary propensity for recording everything on paper in the most careful detail, yet among the thousands of captured documents of the S.D. and Gestapo, the records of the Reich Security Head Office, the files of Himmler's headquarters and Hitler's own war directives there is not a single order for the extermination of Jews or anyone else."
 
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HDenier said:
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"I believe that this webpage shows what the book I have contains in terms of prints from the full negatives of the 4 Birkenau photos."

No LemmyCaution, the pictures show nothing, would be laughed at and thrown out of any righteous court of law....
The pictures are always taken in "secret", have you always noticed that?..
People standing outside apparently deaf, cant hear the screams of those being gassed, don't see any body's removed....Why? Because nobody was gassed as these moron posters a leading you to believe...

You can show pictures of anything and the say that it was before a gassing, what nonsense and gullibility and for this skeptics forum and nobody sees the nonsense except a few ones who can think?
Keep showing your nonsense, you empower me and probably a few others to stand firm for the truth...
The stuff you show is truly embarrassing.
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Actually, no, I've not noticed that Holocaust photos are always made in secret. I showed you some made at Liepaja, for instance, that were not. These photos however had to be as Sonderkommando were not permitted to do photography in Birkenau. Do you have contrary evidence? What is your explanation, not claim, with evidence for how these photos came to exist?

You will notice that the 4 images I showed are not like the one you showed and claimed to be a composite. That's because the original negative differs to the cropped print you used.

Anyway your evidence for where the negatives came from, who worked on the prints, when and where?
 
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Good article about the Jews and communist link
http://links.org.au/node/4122

Some good info on forged documents also
http://whale.to/b/holocaust_fakery.html

JR
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Your first link does not answer the questions I asked you. They are simple questions and you should be able to answer them without linking to longish articles. Also, I asked you to list the forgeries made by Jews. That's what you claimed. But your link merely claims a few forgeries, all of the claims IIRC debunked at Holocaust Controversies. You posted about forgeries created by Jews. Please, go ahead and list what you had in mind. With proof.
 
The Jews as a work force......

From Did Six million Die booklet page 5

The question of labour is fundamental when considering the alleged plan of genocide against the Jews, for on grounds of logic alone the latter would entail the most senseless waste of manpower, time and energy while prosecuting a war of survival on two fronts. Certainly after the attack on Russia, the idea of compulsory labour had taken precedence over German plans for Jewish emigation. The protocol of a conversation between Hitler and the Hungarian regent Horthy on April 17th, 1943, reveals that the German leader personally requested Horthy to release 100,000 Hungarian Jews for work in the "pursuit-plane programme" of the Luftwaffe at a time when the aerial bombardment of Germany was increasing (Reitlinger, Die Endlösung, Berlin, 1956, p. 478). This took place at a time when, supposedly, the Germans were already seeking to exterminate the Jews, but Hitler's request clearly demonstrates the priority aim of expanding his labour force. In harmony with this programme, concentration camps became, in fact, industrial complexes. At every camp where Jews and other nationalities were detained, there were large industrial plants and factories supplying material for the German war-effort - the Buna rubber factory at Bergen-Belsen, for example, Buna and I. G. Farben Industrie at Auschwitz and the electrical firm of Siemens at Ravensbrück. In many cases, special concentration camp money notes were issued as payment for labour, enabling prisoners to buy extra rations from camp shops. The Germans were determined to obtain the maximum economic return from the concentration camp system, an object wholly at variance with any plan to exterminate millions of people in them. It was the function of the S.S. Economy and Administration Office, headed by Oswald Pohl, to see that the concentration camps became major industrial producers.

Of course the needed workers were the Jews that didn't leave when asked to in 1938 and afterward.
They don't say much about their contribution to Hitlers work force it's obviously embarrassing to them.

JR
 
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Actually, no, I've not noticed that Holocaust photos are always made in secret. I showed you some made at Liepaja, for instance, that were not. These photos however had to be as Sonderkommando were not permitted to do photography in Birkenau. Do you have contrary evidence? What is your explanation, not claim, with evidence for how these photos came to exist?

You will notice that the 4 images I showed are not like the one you showed and claimed to be a composit. That's because the original negative differs to the cropped print you used.

Anyway your evidence for where the negatives came from, who worked on the prints, when and where?
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LemmyCaution, I don't have to prove anything, YOU HOLOHOAXTERS DO....YOU believe the hoax story, not me...I don't have to explain your lies, I just tell you the truth. Those "secret" pictures are just pictures of people doing whatever they are doing. They are NOT going to any fable Gas chamber....I could say they are wating to get tickets to a play for God's sake...EVERYTHING YOU HOAXERS SHOW you think is is proving YOUR 6 million BS. You take innocent pictures and say, oh look, a women pushing a baby carriage.....going to the gas chambers...you have no context, no who what why or where, YOU ASSUME, thus making an ass of yourselves. ..

Everything you show is pictures taken out of their contect, PERIOD....They prove NOTHING.
YOU trying to make them tell a false story is hilarious, it really is....

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Cleon said:
It is. You may not be aware of it, but it is.


Please. We're busy bringing down Trump. We don't have time to bother with two-bit Zundel wannabes.
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I'm glad to see you (Jews) have quite a lot of power to take down a political opponent. You're 2% of the population you have that much power?
And you Jews say you don't wield any power....
Good thing about it is, you're not embarrassed to say so.
And you're pretty good at censoring people that expose your HoloHoax lies.

JR
 
HDenier said:
LemmyCaution, I don't have to prove anything, YOU HOLOHOAXTERS DO....YOU believe the hoax story, not me...I don't have to explain your lies, I just tell you the truth. Those "secret" pictures are just pictures of people doing whatever they are doing. They are NOT going to any fable Gas chamber....I could say they are wating to get tickets to a play for God's sake...EVERYTHING YOU HOAXERS SHOW you think is is proving YOUR 6 million BS. You take innocent pictures and say, oh look, a women pushing a baby carriage.....going to the gas chambers...you have no context, no who what why or where, YOU ASSUME, thus making an ass of yourselves. ..

Everything you show is pictures taken out of their contect, PERIOD....They prove NOTHING.
YOU trying to make them tell a false story is hilarious, it really is....
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The way this works is that when you make a claim, if you want others to believe it, you most certainly do have to prove it.

You claimed that the Birkenau photo was a composite using a photo from Ohio.

I told you the proof you need to provide for anyone to start taking your claim seriously.

Provide it - or no one should believe your claim.

Simple.

The "assume"/"ass" saying probably dates back to the 19th century. And it is irrelevant. I am not making assumptions. I am asking you for evidence.
 
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JimRizoli said:
I'm glad to see you (Jews) have quite a lot of power to take down a political opponent. You're 2% of the population you have that much power?
And you Jews say you don't wield any power....
Good thing about it is, you're not embarrassed to say so.
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Oh, yes, we have all the money and all the power. That's why Barbra Streisand is so popular.

And you're pretty good at censoring people that expose your HoloHoax lies.
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And yet, here you are. You're so bad at fighting our agenda we actually prefer you to keep blathering on. :)
 
Jim, three quick questions (there is so much more to come) for you to avoid: if you believe that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis as communists - and by far most members and activists of the German Communist Party were not Jews - only a tiny minority of the communists in Germany were Jews - 1) why then were all Jews persecuted, and 2) why were all Germans, since most party members and activists were German, not persecuted?

Also, 3) why were French, Dutch, Polish, Hungarian, Greek, Lithuanian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, and other Jews persecuted, if the Nazis were only trying to punish people who were "treasonas" and in rebellion in Germany?
 
JimRizoli said:
Yes that is true....When a group of people rise up against their country of origin to do harm then what comes their way is expected....
Most of the Jews were Communist in their thinking, they hated Germany for their wealth and prosperity, ( because they were stopped from stealing it from them again) and were part of the rebellion against Germany. So Hitler was justified in what happened to the jews I'm just sorry more weren't taken out, as the false HoloHoax story states. So you Holohuxsters say millions were killed....LOL I wish that was the case....we wouldn't have the problems now in the world sucking the blood and money out of us today. There really is no nice way of saying it. Pardon me for my frankness but that is just how I feel.


JR

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Atleast you're honest about being a vile anti-semite.
 
You Jews are out patrolling ALL the online sites to make sure you can control the conversation.
Most people come and go here because they can't deal with your nonsense.
We have no problem dealing with your nonsense because we have been dealing with it for years. We look at it a pure silliness. To think you can fool so many people with nonsensical numbers and misinformation.

Now for some important info on that 6 million nonsense....
Even though the figure is IMO high here it just shows that you 6 million lie isn't true.

'SIX MILLION' UNTRUE ACCORDING TO NEUTRAL SWISS

It is clear, therefore, that the Germans could not possibly have gained control over or exterminated anything like six million Jews. Excluding the Soviet Union, the number of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe after emigration was scarcely more than 3 million, by no means all of whom were interned. To approach the extermination of even half of six million would have meant the liquidation of every Jew living in Europe. And yet it is known that large numbers of Jews were alive in Europe after 1945. Philip Friedmann in Their Brother's Keepers (N.Y., 1957, p. 13), states that "at least a million Jews survived in the very crucible of the Nazi hell," while the official figure of the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee is 1,559,600. Thus, even if one accepts the latter estimate, the number of possible wartime Jewish deaths could not have exceeded a limit of one and a half million. Precisely this conclusion was reached by the reputable journal Baseler Nachrichten of neutral Switzerland. In an article entitled "Wie hoch ist die Zahl der jüdischen Opfer?" ("How high is the number of Jewish victims?", June 13th, 1946), it explained that purely on the basis of the population and emigration figures described above, a maximum of only one and a half million Jews could be numbered as casualties. Later on, however, it will be demonstrated conclusively that the number was actually far less, for the Baseler Nachrichten accepted the Joint Distribution Committee's figure of 1,559,600 survivors after the war, but we shall show that the number of claims for compensation by Jewish survivors is more than double that figure. This information was not available to the Swiss in 1946.

Of course the reparations figure is more than doubled the payments that had to do with the original 6 million lie....
Beef up the numbers and you get more money in claims....do you think the Jewish handlers were that stupid to put in the original death figures of under a 500,000
killed (high end)...no way! Just another Jew ponzi scheme before the famous Madoff top them all....

JR
 
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You Jews are out patrolling ALL the online sites to make sure you can control the conversation.

JR
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Knowing there are about 17 millions Jews in the world all Jews must be working 24 hours a day and seven day a week to make this become true... :D
 
JimRizoli said:
You Jews are out patrolling ALL the online sites to make sure you can control the conversation.
Most people come and go here because they can't deal with your nonsense.
We have no problem dealing with your nonsense because we have been dealing with it for years. We look at it a pure silliness. To think you can fool so many people with nonsensical numbers and misinformation.
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Typical ranting denier, assuming everyone who doesn't swallow their vile racism is a Jew.

For the record, I'm not Jewish... my heritage is German/Polish Catholic. In fact, members of my own family in Germany and Poland died or suffered greatly at the hands of the Nazis. What about the people killed in the Euthanasia program... was that made up by Jews too?
 
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Degeneve said:
Knowing there are about 17 millions Jews in the world all Jews must be working 24 hours a day and seven day a week to make this become true... :D
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It's exhausting, but that sweet paycheck we get every week from the ADL makes it all worthwhile. :)
 
There was a comment made about false documents.....
There were plenty....Since you HoloHuxsters don't read the true materials and books..
Hopefully not too long for those mentally challenged.

P.20-1 Did Six Million Really Die booklet

Spurious testimony at Nuremberg which included extravagant statements in support of the myth of the Six Million was invariably given by former German officers because of pressure, either severe torture as in the cases cited previously, or the assurance of leniency for themselves if they supplied the required statements. An example of the latter was the testimony of S.S. General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski. He was threatened with execution himself because of his suppression of the revolt by Polish partisans at Warsaw in August 1944, which he carried out with his S.S. brigade of White Russians. He was therefore prepared to be "co-operative".
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JR
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You Holohoaxers say a lot but in actuality say Nothing. You show links to pictures that could have come out of anyones album but you lead in with the headlne line....going to a gas chamber....You show a picture link of people who look like they are undressing and claim the pictures were done "in seceret"..lol...of course they were..lol.. and the next thing you want us to believe they went to the gas chambers. I would suppose these next victims didn't hear anything . screams, see anything, like people being pulled out of a gas chamber, they see nothning because NOTHING HAPPENED.

You can't explain how a gas chamber works, who was part of the clean up crew, who cleaned up the feces, the spittle, the blood, the urine of all this torture...because it never happened.....

Stories of people being deloused get turned into stories of homicidal gassings. The real gas chambers, the fumigation chambers SAVED PEOPLES LIVES, those were the gas chambers you all are trying to turn into your holohax but you forgot that some of us aren't dum asses
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