Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[Roger Knights]

You seem confident that Disney would quickly act to correct any lies that Byrne would have told about them. I would suggest that these Disney guys aren't paying attention and aren't reading all the Bigfoot stuff. If so, it's probably because they don't give a damn about Bigfoot and are unwilling to spend more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

I didn’t use the word “quickly,” or imply it. And I didn’t imply Disney would have “acted” (i.e., been proactive) in correcting any mis-statements of Byrne. I only said that in answering inquiries from the public or its employees, it would disclaim any whoppers Byrne had made, and that indirectly these disclaimers would reach the public.

Disney had, probably, over 1000 employees. Byrne’s book sold over a hundred thousand copies. Some of those employees would have read it and asked their bosses if it was true about the company’s experts giving support to the authenticity of the PGF. And some outside readers of the book, including book reviewers and members of the Hollywood FX community, would have written Disney, or called it, or contacted “their people” (Disney’s animators), asking the same question. Byrne and Green, would have taken a huge risk if they’d made stuff up. Awareness of this risk would or should have restrained their doing so.

 

[Roger Knights]

Patty might suddenly become much less than outstanding if she had to bend over, squat, pick up and carry an object or person, climb, etc. . . . It could in fact be that Patterson's costume was mostly useless for them for anything other than walking and looking from far away.

Below is a link to ten of my PhotoBucket PGF images, courtesy of M.K. Davis, of Patty bending, plus two pages of accompanying text. In the 3-hour, all-star, March 14, 2007 Tom Biscardi interview, Heironimus denied bending or stooping (he didn’t have a computer following M.K. Davis’s GIFs), but Biscardi assured him it was in the film. He said, “Either you fell down, or you halfway almost fell down.” (Biscardi is a Heironimus proponent.)

http://s7.photobucket.com/user/RogerKni/library/BF Patty Bending

Unfortunately, Patterson took his finger off the trigger before she completely fell, and so we don’t see her struggling to her feet, which would have been demanding for a mime in a well-padded suit with waders, etc.—and authenticating for the PGF. (Patterson was filming this segment from the bed of the creek, shooting over a 3-foot embankment (per McClarin) and he probably lost her in the viewfinder when she fell.)

 

[William Parcher]

MK Davis sees Patty bending over and you see it too? Roger, you have eaten the peyote. Spit it out!

 

[Resume]

What bending, where?

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Gotta say, nowhere do I see Patty bending in any of those pictures...

 

[BayWatcher]

Was she bending over, peering into the blood-filled creek?

 

[GT/CS]

Patterson told BH to walk like an ape so he slouched. Is that what you refer to as bending?

 

[Roger Knights]

MK Davis sees Patty bending over and you see it too? Roger, you have eaten the peyote. Spit it out!

What bending, where?

Gotta say, nowhere do I see Patty bending in any of those pictures...

(My fingers were stopping a GIF (or something) while I took a screenshot)

This is the next (fuzzier) frame, with about a 75-degree bend. The brown smudge above the two white blotches is the head; the blotches are the butt.

Patterson told BH to walk like an ape so he slouched. Is that what you refer to as bending?

Patty is only slightly slouched in her ordinary walk. Mostly it is her head and neck that are bent noticeably—her torso is bent about 10 degrees, per my SWAG. The bend in the last image above is about 75 degrees—her head is less than a foot above her butt.

 

[Resume]

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[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/RogerKni/BF%20Patty%20Bending/PattyPooping_zps36104b02.png[/qimg]
(My fingers were stopping a GIF (or something) while I took a screenshot)
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This is the next (fuzzier) frame, with about a 75-degree bend. The brown smudge above the two white blotches is the head; the blotches are the butt.



Patty is only slightly slouched in her ordinary walk. Mostly it is her head and neck that are bent noticeably—her torso is bent about 10 degrees, per my SWAG. The bend in the last image above is about 75 degrees—her head is less than a foot above her butt.

Nnnn no.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

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[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/RogerKni/BF%20Patty%20Bending/PattyPooping_zps36104b02.png[/qimg]
(My fingers were stopping a GIF (or something) while I took a screenshot)
[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/RogerKni/BF%20Patty%20Bending/Pattysbuttzoomout_zps50bbaf94.jpg[/qimg]
This is the next (fuzzier) frame, with about a 75-degree bend. The brown smudge above the two white blotches is the head; the blotches are the butt.



Patty is only slightly slouched in her ordinary walk. Mostly it is her head and neck that are bent noticeably—her torso is bent about 10 degrees, per my SWAG. The bend in the last image above is about 75 degrees—her head is less than a foot above her butt.

The fact that you posted a picture of a guy using binoculars is rather fitting, because you'd need a pair of those, and maybe some shrooms, to be able to see any kind of bending going on in that mess of a picture, lol.

Can you do a Sweaty Yeti and get some Crayolas out for me? I need to see where this apparently bending Bigfoot is...because at the minute, I just see a blur of what might as well be bollocks, Roger.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Nnnn no.

Oh, good. So it's not just me, then? Thought I was due an appointment at the opticians for a second.

 

[dmaker]

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[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/RogerKni/BF%20Patty%20Bending/PattyPooping_zps36104b02.png[/qimg]
(My fingers were stopping a GIF (or something) while I took a screenshot)
[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/RogerKni/BF%20Patty%20Bending/Pattysbuttzoomout_zps50bbaf94.jpg[/qimg]
This is the next (fuzzier) frame, with about a 75-degree bend. The brown smudge above the two white blotches is the head; the blotches are the butt.



Patty is only slightly slouched in her ordinary walk. Mostly it is her head and neck that are bent noticeably—her torso is bent about 10 degrees, per my SWAG. The bend in the last image above is about 75 degrees—her head is less than a foot above her butt.

I'm sorry, but what are those images supposed to depict? Talk about ambiguous. The one might as well be an elephant eating a peanut.

 

[Roger Knights]

Here's another view, without my fingers. The preceding frames show her first walking normally, then beginning to bend, supporting the authenticity of the final bent-over frames. This frame and the next ones are a bit blurred, but not too badly. Gimlin said she fell to her elbows.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Here's another view, without my fingers. The preceding frames show her first walking normally, then beginning to bend, supporting the authenticity of the final bent-over frames. This frame and the next ones are a bit blurred, but not too badly.

[qimg]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/RogerKni/BF%20Patty%20Bending/MKDEndwalk1_zps2ef51977.png[/qimg]

I think this is a case of wishful thinking, Roger...

I certainly don't see anything here at all.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Gimlin said she fell to her elbows.

Gimlin said a lot of things...

So did Roger.

And barely any of it was without some sort of contradiction.

 

[Roger Knights]

Here's another view, without my fingers. The preceding frames show her first walking normally, then beginning to bend, supporting the authenticity of the final bent-over frames. This frame and the next ones are a bit blurred, but not too badly. Gimlin said she fell to her elbows.

Nnnn no.

You’re right. I measured the angle on Figure B in Krantz’s Bigfoot / Sasquatch Evidence, page 113. The forward lean of the torso, measured along the back, is 20 degrees and the forward lean of the back of the neck is 35 degrees.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

You’re right. I measured the angle on Figure B in Krantz’s Bigfoot / Sasquatch Evidence, page 113. The forward lean of the torso is 20 degrees and the forward lean of the back of the neck is 35 degrees.

Roger, please feel free to provide a detailed description of where exactly in that frame you see Patty bending over. I barely even see a Patty, never mind one that's bending over...

We can take very little from this.

 

[Roger Knights]

Patterson told BH to walk like an ape so he slouched. Is that what you refer to as bending?

First, a minor point: The word “slouch” is not used in Heironimus’s description in Long’s book, or in any of his transcribed interviews. Here’s what Heironimus said Patterson said: “Crouch down a little bit more like a gorilla.” (TMoB, p. 346)

But Patty’s normal forward bend in walking, 20 degrees at the back of the torso and 35 degrees at the back of the neck, is much exceeded in these frames. My guess is that the back is bent 75 degrees or more. It’s plainly in that ballpark. PS: If she's not bending, where's the rest of her?

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

But Patty’s normal forward bend in walking, 20 degrees at the back of the torso and 35 degrees at the back of the neck, is much exceeded in these frames. My guess is that the back is bent 75 degrees or more. It’s plainly in that ballpark.

Let's not play a game of Silly Buggers here, though, we already know that measuring bits and bobs of the figure in any of those frames is a fools errand.

The frame that you have in your PhotoBucket account with the supposed finger-flexing is a great example of how pointless a task it is.

It's a distorted copy of a copy (etc etc) of a person in a costume, and so any measurements are frankly a waste of effort, imo.

But if we are to humour ourselves with any analysis, then we could ask why Patty seems to be wearing a diaper beneath her fur which is strikingly similar to Gemora's ape-suit butt-pads.

Is that a natural feature on every Sasquatch, or just Patty?

 

[Roger Knights]

BTW, In a previous comment I wrote:

Page 114: Greg Long: “What would he build?”
Jerry Merritt: “Things out of mowers and rigs. And just saddles, made his own saddles.
Page 126: Jerry Merritt: “One time he took McClellan Army saddles, rebuilt them, and made little western saddles out of ’em. He actually used ’em on those horses.”
Page 249: Greg Long: “He was good at leather crafts.”
Page 459: Greg Long: “He worked in leather.”

My interpretation is that Patterson picked up a few McClellan saddles cheap, maybe at an army/navy surplus store, and added pommels to them, converting them into Western saddles. The pommel is needed for roping. That wouldn’t have required any leatherworking ability. Maybe he did a few other changes, but not likely anything complex.

I found another quote that supports my interpretation that Patterson wasn’t a saddle maker.

Heironimus: ”I knew he [Patterson] was able to fix saddles.” (TMoB, p. 344)

I suspect that he was referring to Patterson’s saddle-conversion job. So Long’s comments are unsupported by the evidence so far.