The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Reality Check]

Its not possible because even though,...

A rather incoherent post, Bjarne, so you need to try writing it again in better, clearer English.

As written it sounds like the simple fact that telescopes detect light (the EM spectrum). Well duh !

The fact is we can compare todays and yesterdays EM spectrum. We do it all of the time, e.g. COBE, WMAP and Planck data. Astronomers look at the light from the Sun and compare it to light from labs analyzed decades or even centuries ago. That for example was how helium was discovered.

Yesterday is not gone. Every light-year a star is away from us is a year into the past.

 

[Bjarne]

A rather incoherent post, Bjarne, so you need to try writing it again in better, clearer English.

As written it sounds like the simple fact that telescopes detect light (the EM spectrum). Well duh !

The fact is we can compare todays and yesterdays EM spectrum. We do it all of the time, e.g. COBE, WMAP and Planck data. Astronomers look at the light from the Sun and compare it to light from labs analyzed decades or even centuries ago. That for example was how helium was discovered.

Yesterday is not gone. Every light-year a star is away from us is a year into the past.

And this is why I wrote , - quote...

We have to live with the fact that you cannot compare todays and yesterdays differences, - the only exception is how the EM specter was yesterday..

Mother cow know this also include 1 billion or 13 billion years ago

 

[Bjarne]

3 August 2016 Bjarne: A lie based on ignorance of the evidence that is the basis for inflation and its confirmed prediction.

Followed by the usual delusions.

Which evidence do you have except bla bla bla bla bla bla

 

[Bjarne]

That is a fantasy, Bjarne, and the stupidity of thinking that any rational person here would look at that video which is part of the deluded Thunderbolts series of videos.

That video is from Edward Dowdye, Jr who is a retired electrical engineer; a creationist; has never worked on plasma experiments; has the delusion that SR and GR can be replaced by classical physics; is stupid enough to speak at a Electric Universe conference and is not brave enough to publish his work in scientific journals.

3 August 2016 Bjarne: Cannot understand that a video from a deluded person is not valid science published in the scientific literature!

You are lýing (again)
Edward Dowdye, is not creationist;
Why are you insulting people like that ?

 

[Bjarne]

Gravitational redshift is very, very small - there is a division by c².
Cosmological redshift is big.

The thing to be aware of is that a list of fantasies and ignorance is not science.

The better thing to be aware of is not to lie: There are no "ESA / Cambridge" statements that say "the inflation theory is in big trouble".

The universe is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very Big

And the gravity / tension of space of the universe is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very Big, - too

 

[Bjarne]

It is a fact that "such alarming holes in our paradigm" is a delusion, Bjarne, ?[/URL]

Its a fact that you where lying, when you wrote that George said "if"

 

[Bjarne]

That is a fantasy, Bjarne, and the stupidity of thinking that any rational person here would look at that video which is part of the deluded Thunderbolts series of videos.

That video is from Edward Dowdye, Jr who is a retired electrical engineer; a creationist; has never worked on plasma experiments; has the delusion that SR and GR can be replaced by classical physics; is stupid enough to speak at a Electric Universe conference and is not brave enough to publish his work in scientific journals.

3 August 2016 Bjarne: Cannot understand that a video from a deluded person is not valid science published in the scientific literature!

If light was observed to bend further away from a star, why do you then not show us the evidence, instead of insulting Edward Dowdye

The fact is that it is only possible to measure near the surface of a star..

 

[The Man]

Its not possible because even though, the space tension transformation is different today compared to yesterday, - its a fact that yesterday is gone.

What "space tension transformation"? Do you actually have one? Don't forget that today is tomorrow's yesterday, so it ain't gone yet.

So boiled down to the content of a nuts shell, its only about witch other option to explain the new WMAP do you really have..
To my opinion only one perfect replacement.

Well, show us your "space tension transformation" and we'll see just how "perfect" it might be.

We have to live with the fact that you cannot compare todays and yesterdays differences, - the only exception is how the EM specter was yesterday..

Why can't you compare differences?

So the EM Spectra is all the quantitative stuff you have, and that's it..

Actually your "space tension transformation" would be quantitative if you had such.

So in the end of the day, its all about interpretation

No, you even assert that it isn't. By you're own assertion above there should be a "space tension transformation". By all means please do let us know when you have that worked out and please do show your work.

 

[Bjarne]

Actually your "space tension transformation" would be quantitative if you had such.
.

The cosmological redshift Z value reveals:.....
let say the Z factor is for example 10,- it shows time was ticking 10 times slower then, and the ruler and everything from that "reality transformation" was then 10 time larger, compared to size and time today...

The logic is simle, - space tension is stretching time, as well as everything in that space, included the ruler (that must of all is space).

When the strong force / gravity is lost in Big Bangs, - all over the universe that tension is released.

Therefore everything included time will be in a process that automatically brings the universe to a tension free state.. But it will never get so fare, because short after the Big Bangs, - the strong force/gravity is reborn.

That's all..

Nothing more than this..

So simple to "quantitative" understand

No reason to abused tax payers money..

No need for speculative inflation,. that we today know is conflicting with science it self ( clear WMAP observations.)

 

[MRC_Hans]

The cosmological redshift Z value reveals:.....
let say the Z factor is for example 10,- it shows time was ticking 10 times slower then, and the ruler and everything from that "reality transformation" was then 10 time larger, compared to size and time today...

The logic is simle, - space tension is stretching time, as well as everything in that space, included the ruler (that must of all is space).

When the strong force / gravity is lost in Big Bangs, - all over the universe that tension is released.

Therefore everything included time will be in a process that automatically brings the universe to a tension free state.. But it will never get so fare, because short after the Big Bangs, - the strong force/gravity is reborn.

That's all..

Nothing more than this..

Where does mass fit into the model? How is all that energy shifted around? Where is the entropy?


Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

If light was observed to bend further away from a star, why do you then not show us the evidence, instead of insulting Edward Dowdye

The fact is that it is only possible to measure near the surface of a star..

Bjarne, I showed you the evidence. You just ignored it. I'll attach the photo again just for you (there are literally hundreds of similar photos from all over the sky).

It shows, VERY CLEARLY a huge gravitational lens, at least a hundred times the diameter of the star causing it, probably more.

Hans

 

[JeanTate]

Its not possible because even though, the space tension transformation is different today compared to yesterday, - its a fact that yesterday is gone.

So boiled down to the content of a nuts shell, its only about witch other option to explain the new WMAP do you really have..
To my opinion only one perfect replacement.

We have to live with the fact that you cannot compare todays and yesterdays differences, - the only exception is how the EM specter was yesterday..

So the EM Spectra is all the quantitative stuff you have, and that's it..

So in the end of the day, its all about interpretation

Well, if all there is is interpretations, maybe it's invisible pink unicorns?

 

[JeanTate]

If light was observed to bend further away from a star, why do you then not show us the evidence, instead of insulting Edward Dowdye

The fact is that it is only possible to measure near the surface of a star..

I'm sure Clifford Will's huge compilation of experimental etc evidence re GR has been mentioned/posted before, and I'm sure you at least thought about reading it.

Among other things, it includes reports of observations of the gravitational redshift due to the Sun, on sightlines well away from the Sun.

 

[Bjarne]

Where does mass fit into the model? How is all that energy shifted around? Where is the entropy?
Hans

You can use the Lorentz equation to calculate time dilation caused by dissolving gravity from a previous universe.
And a similar equation to calculate the opposite influence of a reborn force of gravity.

Z will change proportional with time dilation.

You can based on this on the known mass density estimate the mass of the visible universe....
But for Peters sages don’t include dark matter.
Furthermore you can estimate the entropy variation influence as well, - if it really make sense to you

I will not even try, If I would use huge amount of time on it, concrete in peoples head will still be concrete.

You know the brainwash majority will criticize it all, without reading or checking the calculation, and worse they will even deny the huge holes we have in the prevailing paradigm, - so only a idiot will used time on convincing idiots by such a method.

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne, I showed you the evidence. You just ignored it. I'll attach the photo again just for you (there are literally hundreds of similar photos from all over the sky).

It shows, VERY CLEARLY a huge gravitational lens, at least a hundred times the diameter of the star causing it, probably more.

Hans

Why have you still not watch Edwards explanation for that
He is not a idiot or crank that have fall down from the moon, but a scientist good enough for NASA...

He will explain you te real cause of what you see, if you allow him to, but you never will..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kJ8gTdOsek

 

[JeanTate]

Why have you still not watch Edwards explanation for that
He is not a idiot or crank that have fall down from the moon, but a scientist good enough for NASA...

He will explain you te real cause of what you see, if you allow him to, but you never will..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kJ8gTdOsek

Got something other than a YT vid? Like an actual paper, or even a preprint?

 

[The Man]

The cosmological redshift Z value reveals:.....
let say the Z factor is for example 10,- it shows time was ticking 10 times slower then, and the ruler and everything from that "reality transformation" was then 10 time larger, compared to size and time today...

That's it? "let say the Z factor is for example 10" a guess? So you have no actual transformation. You could have just said that. Do please let us know when you actually work one out. Also observations indicate that not only the rate of expansion is increasing, the rate of that increase in the rate is also increasing. You have much work to do.

The logic is simle, - space tension is stretching time, as well as everything in that space, included the ruler (that must of all is space).

Not logic but just conjecture, however we can apply some logic to your assertions. "space tension is stretching time, as well as everything in that space, included the ruler (that must of all is space)", so space is expanding.

When the strong force / gravity is lost in Big Bangs, - all over the universe that tension is released.

If your tension stretches space and said tension is being released, then space would be contracting. EM waves would be blue shifted.

Therefore everything included time will be in a process that automatically brings the universe to a tension free state.. But it will never get so fare, because short after the Big Bangs, - the strong force/gravity is reborn.

That's all..

Nothing more than this..

So simple to "quantitative" understand

No reason to abused tax payers money..

No need for speculative inflation,. that we today know is conflicting with science it self ( clear WMAP observations.)

Wait wasn't your space tension supposed to be gravity? So "When the strong force / gravity is lost in Big Bangs" your space tension is also lost. Of course you simply assert that "the strong force/gravity is reborn" because your assertion of them being "lost" doesn't survive the most basic observation. Just as your conjectures don't survive the the most basic application of logic to them.

 

[Daylightstar]

You can use the Lorentz equation to calculate time dilation caused by dissolving gravity from a previous universe.
And a similar equation to calculate the opposite influence of a reborn force of gravity.
...
I will not even try, ...

Because you simply do not have the capacity to do so

 

[The Man]

You can use the Lorentz equation to calculate time dilation caused by dissolving gravity from a previous universe.
And a similar equation to calculate the opposite influence of a reborn force of gravity.

Great, so let's see you "use the Lorentz equation to" do just that.


"dissolving gravity from a previous universe"? Again given that your space tension was supposed to be gravity and the stretching of space that would mean that space is contracting and EM waves would be blue shifted. Once again please let us know when you can at least agree with you.

Z will change proportional with time dilation.

You can based on this on the known mass density estimate the mass of the visible universe....
But for Peters sages don’t include dark matter.
Furthermore you can estimate the entropy variation influence as well, - if it really make sense to you

If it really makes sense to you then you do it.

I will not even try, If I would use huge amount of time on it, concrete in peoples head will still be concrete.

You know the brainwash majority will criticize it all, without reading or checking the calculation, and worse they will even deny the huge holes we have in the prevailing paradigm, - so only a idiot will used time on convincing idiots by such a method.

Ah, so once again your notions aren't even worth you actually working on. However, I for one do thank you for admitting that your confidence in your notions is such that you feel only an idiot would try convincing people of them. Once again do please let us know when you have sufficient confidence in your notions to at least try to be convincing by doing the work and at the very least just agreeing with yourself.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You can use the Lorentz equation to calculate time dilation caused by dissolving gravity from a previous universe.
And a similar equation to calculate the opposite influence of a reborn force of gravity.

Z will change proportional with time dilation.

You can based on this on the known mass density estimate the mass of the visible universe....
But for Peters sages don’t include dark matter.
Furthermore you can estimate the entropy variation influence as well, - if it really make sense to you

I will not even try, If I would use huge amount of time on it, concrete in peoples head will still be concrete.

You know the brainwash majority will criticize it all, without reading or checking the calculation, and worse they will even deny the huge holes we have in the prevailing paradigm, - so only a idiot will used time on convincing idiots by such a method.

In other words: You have no idea. .... Well it's easy to make a simple model if you skip all the hard stuff. Unfortunately it will have little to do with reality.

Hans