Originally Posted by Roger Knights
Less than 10% of Bigfoot researchers in the nation live within easy enough driving distance of Yakima
lol. But they will travel order of magnitude more to a silly bigfoot conference, or to Area X for a pretend week-end of encounters.
You omitted the last part of the sentence you quoted, “. . . to be able to make regular weekend trips there.” They couldn’t have got to the bottom of the Heironimus story in just one or two visits there.
And Bigfooters who go to conferences expect to get something out of them. OTOH, they had no reason to check out Yakima for “the principles” [
sic] in the hoax. There were no rumors coming out of Yakima about a hoax, partly because Heironimus didn’t go public about it, so why would anyone venture there to check them out? And, as I wrote in comment 2977, replying to you, even if they had gone there:
First, what good would it have done for them to meet Bob Heironimus. He didn’t want his story spread around—that’s what he told Hammermeister and Bohannon. And he said in an interview that he promised Patterson especially not to tell “the media,” which presumably an interviewer who might file an article with a Bigfoot newsletter would be. Bob Heironimus was only likely to share his tale with friendly questioners, like Jim Gosney.
Second, what good would it have done to “ask around if people know about it.” That’s just hearsay. . . . . .
Furthermore, Heironimus didn’t release his name until 2004, and wouldn’t give any details of his activity to inquirers like Long. (TMoB, ch. 9, 146–66). I also said in that comment:
Bigfoot researchers probably presumed that the hoax claimant was a phony.
And they would have been correct, because Heironimus’s claims don’t stand up to criticism. (See the reference I gave to “Herroneous vs. Herroneous” for a few criticisms (43), in my reply to you #2984.)
In the post-telephone age distance is irrelevant.
Well, long-distance calling wasn’t cheap for maybe 30 years after 1967.
Too bad you didn’t have Greg Long’s ear back in the day, when he was making frequent weekend trips to Yakima from about 1998 to 2003. You could have saved him a lot of time and gas money.
He thought visits were needed.
We know you don't believe in bigfoot yourself. Because you spend your time doing this instead of anything that would result in finding a bigfoot.
I’m not here to merely opine. I’ve done plenty of investigating in Yakima and elswhere, using low-cost telephone calls. I’ve talked to lots of suit witnesses there, and I posted my findings on BFF 1.0 from about 2004 through 2008. (I subsequently did more research, both in Yakima and Bluff Creek, among other places, and have some interesting findings to discuss with Kitakaze.) My sig line then was a quote from Sir William Gull: “Savages and fools believe; wise men investigate.”
We know you like the game. The Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Game. Because we see you playing that game instead.
No, I dislike that game. In answer to your earlier question about my research specialty, I posted this paragraph:
My research specialty is a critique of Heironimus and associates. The document I damaged (see below) is about his claims. My POV on the validity of Bigfoot is on the fence. . . .I think that BF can't be "real" unless there's a joker in the pack (of reality)--which I already believe, based on three ESP experiences I had a long time ago. So BF could be a tulpa or something of that nature.
But I haven’t been playing “that alternate reality game” here—i.e., I’m not arguing for it. I’ve only cited it to dissociate myself from “Bigfoot believers” and to justify why I’m not out in the field. That’s all, and there’s no “game” (phoniness) involved. What I want to do is to further the investigation of Heironimus’s claims, primarily through exchanges with Kitakaze.
We are supposed to convince you of something you already know: there is no bigfoot. But at least I'll make it clear that most of us know you don't believe what you just wrote about researchers being incapable of driving to Yakima. Creating plausible deniability is a big part of the game.
The boldfaced portion is a strawman. What I wrote was:
Less than 10% of Bigfoot researchers in the nation live within easy enough driving distance of Yakima to able to make regular weekend trips there . . . .
Researchers were not really avoiding the most important work to do surrounding the principles to a hoax. They just could not afford to drive there. Even a rich boy like Green who drove internationally, or flew to so many different places much further. He could afford to do that instead.
What I said above answers that paragraph. Bigfooters and everyone else were unaware of hoax claims from Yakima; if they had checked them out, they’d only have got rumors—Heironimus and his friends wouldn’t talk to them; If Heironimus had talked, his claims wouldn’t have been worth bothering to visit for, because they were so flimsy; and (as I said in comment #2984) Bigfooters had good reasons to presume any hoax claims were phony.
As I wrote in another comment to you, it wasn’t for not checking out hoax claims that Greg Long was upset at Bigfoot researchers, but for not checking out Patterson’s character. But (as I also said in a prior comment) Bigfooters like Green were aware that it was shady, in general terms, and they saw no need to go into detail about it, because they thought the film was unfakable. (And so far they’ve been right—no one has come close to doing a credible fake like it.)
That might not be totally true. Former Benedictine monk and Bigfoot provocateur Matt Moneymaker™ has apparently seen hundreds of such creatures, many of them while filming his TV show. The cameras only catch his sincere reactions though, never the actual beast because it's not very interesting. He's far more photogenic. He doesn't care about all his HATERS either; as he put it earlier this year when accepting the Nobel Prize™, "Technology is just a tool of the devil, praise gawd, and besides it would just blow the surprise, thank you Jesus praise gawd!. That "surprise" of course being an authentic glimpse of Bigfoot that paying customers of Moneymaker™ Amalgamated Tour Industries® LLC get when they go on a MATI Bigfoot Tour™. They're that outfit known for running Bigfoot ragged all over the country and then laughing about it. Don't they know Bigfoot are people too?!
