Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

What is the point you are arguing here? Do you believe Sollecito was alone in his flat whilst Knox was out with Guede committing a murder? Or do you think that Sollecito did spend the evening and night with Knox and lied about not doing so? If Knox was not with him then what is the evidence that Sollecito did not commit the crime with Guede. They were both men (more likely to be involved in a sex crime), both spoke Italian, apparently Sollecito left a bloody foot print and Guede a bloody handprint, both left their DNA on clothes of the victim. Sollecito was apparently interested in knives, Manga, and Marilyn Manson (the latter two certain indicators of being a homicidal maniac). The murder weapon apparently belonged to Sollecito and was found in his flat. Pretty good evidence against him if he does not have an alibi. He could have given rohypnol to Knox (explaining why her memories were so vague), took her keys and gone round to her flat.

That might be true, but the motives of a scheming sociopath wouldn't be to tell the truth. The aim of refusing to give Amanda an alibi wasn't because she was there, and he wasn't. No, he perceived that if he could persuade cops he was the 'good guy', maybe the cops would swallow his story.

In revenge, Amanda blabbed about blood on his hand.

 

[Stacyhs]

No offence intended, but Americans are mere beginners when it comes to English language. Some of your sentence structures are excruciating.

My goodness. I suggest you stay indoors during a rain shower. A mere umbrella would not suffice to keep you from drowning.

I've never claimed to have a degree in language arts or to be a professional writer. But I do know the difference between a simile and a metaphor. I also know when to acknowledge an error. You know neither.

 

[Stacyhs]

Sure, the only 'warmth' these reptiles - whether metaphor or simile - would have, are as partners in crime."

Resorting to personal insults against RS and AK shows just how desperate you are. Sad.


"Did it escape you that 'lovebirds' was sarcastic, given their five-day fling?"

Does it escape you that everyone here can recognize another sad attempt to justify your twisting my words?

"How warm do you feel to someone you only knew five days and already they've tried to pin a murder on you?"

As you said yourself, RS said it was a "fairy tale romance" for him. And neither tried to pin a murder on the other.

Here is how Raff described his meeting with Amanda at her parents' house in the spring of 2012:

"“We hugged and I felt relieved. I realized she is still the goofy, pretty, dreamy Amanda that I met at a classical music concert and there was nothing to fear.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-says-he-and-Amanda-Knox-need-each-other.html

They also met in New York where they hugged, leading to tabloid headlines of Amanda being "back in her lover's arms" and of the two "stealing secret kisses". They conveniently left out the fact that Edda was standing right behind them.


If you have any evidence that there is anything but warmth between them, please present it. Otherwise, I suggest you stop banging that drum. Oh, dear. I used another cliché. Get the pitchforks and torches.

 

[Stacyhs]

I would like to remind everyone that Vixen is absolutely sure Amanda is a narcissist.

She is also sure Amanda is a sociopath. But, as usual, she provides no evidence of either. Perhaps she'd like to trot out "Dr." Miss Represented from TJMK.

 

[Stacyhs]

Please don't refer me to articles written by ignoramuses.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I see. If articles don't agree with you, they must be written by ignoramuses. Are these articles, which agree that clichés are dead metaphors, written by ignoramuses, too?

"Others, however, use the latter as a way of describing metaphorical cliché.

So a dead metaphor is a metaphor that through overuse has lost figurative value. Other examples of dead metaphors are:
“run out of time“.
“ foot of a hill.”
“branches of government.”
www.uniroma2.it/.../METAPHOR.doc
University of Rome Tor Vergata

"Two types of clichés:


1. Dead Metaphors
Tight as a drum, sound as a pound, etc."


https://www.colby.edu/writers.center/tips/cliches.html

"All these are called dead metaphors. Their long use in the same contexts has first made them cliches,..."
(To Make a Poem. Turner, Alberta pg 99.

 

[Sergei Walankov]

I've probably read about 5% of Vixen's comments here, and in that time I've learned that she's a polyglot, chess master, best-selling writer, Mensa-certified genius, and -- if she does say so herself -- an exemplar of British modesty. It couldn't possibly be more obvious from her behaviour and the quality of her thinking that none of this is true. Clearly though her delusions are of a piece with that person Nina Burleigh rumbled for pretending to be a criminal psychologist, Ergon thinking he's God, and countless anonymous folk on the pro-guilt boards backing up their twaddle with invented qualifications. For such reasons is there a fascinating psychological study waiting to be conducted into the phenomenon of Amanda Knox guilterdom. However, there is no fascinating discussion to be held with any of these people individually, and it's frustrating that so many PIP here have felt it worth their while engaging with her over an extended period. This should be a semi-dormant thread I can look in on from time to time to see if there have been any developments, which Vixen herself long ago lost interest in due to the refusal of anyone to respond to her.

 

[Vixen]

I've probably read about 5% of Vixen's comments here, and in that time I've learned that she's a polyglot, chess master, best-selling writer, Mensa-certified genius, and -- if she does say so herself -- an exemplar of British modesty. It couldn't possibly be more obvious from her behaviour and the quality of her thinking that none of this is true. Clearly though her delusions are of a piece with that person Nina Burleigh rumbled for pretending to be a criminal psychologist, Ergon thinking he's God, and countless anonymous folk on the pro-guilt boards backing up their twaddle with invented qualifications. For such reasons is there a fascinating psychological study waiting to be conducted into the phenomenon of Amanda Knox guilterdom. However, there is no fascinating discussion to be held with any of these people individually, and it's frustrating that so many PIP here have felt it worth their while engaging with her over an extended period. This should be a semi-dormant thread I can look in on from time to time to see if there have been any developments, which Vixen herself long ago lost interest in due to the refusal of anyone to respond to her.

Wow, such personalisation!

 

[Vixen]

Please don't refer me to articles written by ignoramuses.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I see. If articles don't agree with you, they must be written by ignoramuses. Are these articles, which agree that clichés are dead metaphors, written by ignoramuses, too?

"Others, however, use the latter as a way of describing metaphorical cliché.

So a dead metaphor is a metaphor that through overuse has lost figurative value. Other examples of dead metaphors are:
“run out of time“.
“ foot of a hill.”
“branches of government.”
www.uniroma2.it/.../METAPHOR.doc
University of Rome Tor Vergata

"Two types of clichés:


1. Dead Metaphors
Tight as a drum, sound as a pound, etc."


https://www.colby.edu/writers.center/tips/cliches.html

"All these are called dead metaphors. Their long use in the same contexts has first made them cliches,..."
(To Make a Poem. Turner, Alberta pg 99.

Seriously, if you need to go to google to find out what a simile, metaphor and cliché are, then things are pretty dire.

 

[LondonJohn]

Seriously, if you need to go to google to find out what a simile, metaphor and cliché are, then things are pretty dire.

1) How on Earth can you even pretend to know from which sources anyone gleaned their knowledge and understanding of English-language figures of speech? (In my particular case, for example, I had learned all this by about the age of 10 through basic school English teaching).

2) Even googling the correct answer is a whole lot better than getting the answer embarrassingly wrong, and then trying to defend that wrong answer against stone-cold evidence that it's wrong. In any case, your summer-school classes at Birkbeck (that's "UL (Birkbeck)" or "University of London (Birkbeck)", not "UCL (Birkbeck)" ) should really have taught you the correct answer - you should seriously consider asking for your money back (these WERE that sort of pay-and-show-up class weren't they, rather than anything with entry qualifications and serious academic credentials?)

3) Anyway, back to the correct matter at hand: where's your proper evidence that Sollecito had strong negative sentiment towards Knox? Or are you going to continue to ignore that request altogether.....?

 

[Bill Williams]

I've probably read about 5% of Vixen's comments here, and in that time I've learned that she's a polyglot, chess master, best-selling writer, Mensa-certified genius, and -- if she does say so herself -- an exemplar of British modesty. It couldn't possibly be more obvious from her behaviour and the quality of her thinking that none of this is true. Clearly though her delusions are of a piece with that person Nina Burleigh rumbled for pretending to be a criminal psychologist, Ergon thinking he's God, and countless anonymous folk on the pro-guilt boards backing up their twaddle with invented qualifications. For such reasons is there a fascinating psychological study waiting to be conducted into the phenomenon of Amanda Knox guilterdom. However, there is no fascinating discussion to be held with any of these people individually, and it's frustrating that so many PIP here have felt it worth their while engaging with her over an extended period. This should be a semi-dormant thread I can look in on from time to time to see if there have been any developments, which Vixen herself long ago lost interest in due to the refusal of anyone to respond to her.

Wow, such correct personalisation!

There. Fixed it for you. Wow, such correct personalization. In the course of your posting history here you have claimed those things about yourself.

On the other hand, your own personalization of others is to express opinions about their characters with no proof advanced, unlike what Sergei Walankov said. You continually omit that one requirement - proof. Truly, reference to media reports from 2008 and Nick van der Leek's cut and paste book from May 2015 does not count.

Your own personalization reaches its height when claiming that people like Dr. Peter Gill have some ulterior motive for saying that the prosecution's DNA evidence against the pair was junk. Perhaps second is when you claim the same for Dr. Vecchiotti (some ulterior motive) for similarly saying that the prosecution's lab work was junk.

In response you cannot name one - not one - peer reviewed forensic-DNA expert who agrees with either the Massei or the Nencini judicial conclusions of the DNA work.

The difference with your personlization of things is that it is absent the evidence that folk like Sergei Walankov review about you, which you yourself have provided.

 

[Mike1711]

I've probably read about 5% of Vixen's comments here, and in that time I've learned that she's a polyglot, chess master, best-selling writer, Mensa-certified genius, and -- if she does say so herself -- an exemplar of British modesty. It couldn't possibly be more obvious from her behaviour and the quality of her thinking that none of this is true. Clearly though her delusions are of a piece with that person Nina Burleigh rumbled for pretending to be a criminal psychologist, Ergon thinking he's God, and countless anonymous folk on the pro-guilt boards backing up their twaddle with invented qualifications. For such reasons is there a fascinating psychological study waiting to be conducted into the phenomenon of Amanda Knox guilterdom. However, there is no fascinating discussion to be held with any of these people individually, and it's frustrating that so many PIP here have felt it worth their while engaging with her over an extended period. This should be a semi-dormant thread I can look in on from time to time to see if there have been any developments, which Vixen herself long ago lost interest in due to the refusal of anyone to respond to her.

A legend in her own lunchtime.

 

[Diocletus]

There are all sorts of strange grammatical rules in the US, no doubt, which have come about because of its diverse immigrant base. For example, 'you must not put a preposition at the end of a sentence'. I hate the way you 'meet with' people when you do not need the 'with'.

No worries. Trump gonna build a wall, so we'll be done with all of those strange rules soon enough.

 

[Stacyhs]

Seriously, if you need to go to google to find out what a simile, metaphor and cliché are, then things are pretty dire.

A classic Vixen tactic; when proved wrong, resort to insult rather than admit your error. You are truly a fan of the tactic "the best defense is a strong offense". That tactic usually works with people who don't recognize it. Those who do recognize it also know that it reveals the inability to defend one's position with any facts or logic.

 

[Stacyhs]

Vixen wrote "I hate the way you 'meet with' people when you do not need the 'with'."

Perhaps you'd better write a letter to your own British papers then.

"Amal Clooney, right, met with Prime Minister David Cameron," (Daily Mail UK)

"Theresa May has met with the Queen and become the UK's new prime minister. " (BBC)

To "meet with" and to "meet" have different meanings.

"He met with shareholders," means there was a meeting held.
"He met shareholders," means he was introduced to them.

 

[Planigale]

Vixen wrote "I hate the way you 'meet with' people when you do not need the 'with'."

Perhaps you'd better write a letter to your own British papers then.

"Amal Clooney, right, met with Prime Minister David Cameron," (Daily Mail UK)

"Theresa May has met with the Queen and become the UK's new prime minister. " (BBC)

To "meet with" and to "meet" have different meanings.

"He met with shareholders," means there was a meeting held.
"He met shareholders," means he was introduced to them.

You may be right. I would use met with when the meeting was arranged. I met someone when it was unplanned. So I met with my boss this morning for an appraisal; I met my boss at the supermarket this weekend.

 

[Annella]

Vixen wrote "I hate the way you 'meet with' people when you do not need the 'with'."

Perhaps you'd better write a letter to your own British papers then.

"Amal Clooney, right, met with Prime Minister David Cameron," (Daily Mail UK)

"Theresa May has met with the Queen and become the UK's new prime minister. " (BBC)

To "meet with" and to "meet" have different meanings.

"He met with shareholders," means there was a meeting held.
"He met shareholders," means he was introduced to them.

We need to feel some sympathy for the forgotten art of commonsense methinks! Some people have ghastly and nasty reasons for not being fully on-board/cognisant with certain issues. Being deserted by longtime partner, *translation* a lonely life. Death of a pet, abject loneliness, rejection by one who was the sole fruit of the loins, failed authorship, confusion with ' identity' et al!
There is light to be had in the midst of severe adversity. Ask Amanda Knox! She shines. She glitters. No amount of attempted dampening dulls her fire. Much to be said for coming out the other end of a wrongful conviction with your faith in humanity intact, understanding your dissenters and their faults but not vilifying them.
Lesson for all. Well....one in particular.

Btw.... I realise I have strayed. But I am sure ( read hopeful) anyone reading gets my gist.

 

[Vixen]

1) How on Earth can you even pretend to know from which sources anyone gleaned their knowledge and understanding of English-language figures of speech? (In my particular case, for example, I had learned all this by about the age of 10 through basic school English teaching).

2) Even googling the correct answer is a whole lot better than getting the answer embarrassingly wrong, and then trying to defend that wrong answer against stone-cold evidence that it's wrong. In any case, your summer-school classes at Birkbeck (that's "UL (Birkbeck)" or "University of London (Birkbeck)", not "UCL (Birkbeck)" ) should really have taught you the correct answer - you should seriously consider asking for your money back (these WERE that sort of pay-and-show-up class weren't they, rather than anything with entry qualifications and serious academic credentials?)

3) Anyway, back to the correct matter at hand: where's your proper evidence that Sollecito had strong negative sentiment towards Knox? Or are you going to continue to ignore that request altogether.....?

Did you miss the text exchange between Raff and Kay? Do you really believe two people who were only together for five days have deep feelings of warmth?

Incidentally, I did go to Birkbeck's summer school once at Westonbirt Girls School, near Prince Charles' beautiful village of Gatcombe, in Wiltshire IIRC; wonderful grounds and a marvellous arboretum nearby. Lots of low walls everywhere for hounds to leap over in fox-hunting season. I chose a short course in short story writing - no diplomas or certificates - just for fun and at the end of the course we read out our work in front of the whole 'school'. Oh and I did do a couple of diploma courses at Birkbeck, sorry to bitterly disappoint you.

You sound frightfully jealous of me, LJ, why not try to get out more and get some achievements of your own?

 

[Vixen]

We need to feel some sympathy for the forgotten art of commonsense methinks! Some people have ghastly and nasty reasons for not being fully on-board/cognisant with certain issues. Being deserted by longtime partner, *translation* a lonely life. Death of a pet, abject loneliness, rejection by one who was the sole fruit of the loins, failed authorship, confusion with ' identity' et al!
There is light to be had in the midst of severe adversity. Ask Amanda Knox! She shines. She glitters. No amount of attempted dampening dulls her fire. Much to be said for coming out the other end of a wrongful conviction with your faith in humanity intact, understanding your dissenters and their faults but not vilifying them.
Lesson for all. Well....one in particular.

Btw.... I realise I have strayed. But I am sure ( read hopeful) anyone reading gets my gist.

Sorry to hear how you've suffered, Annella. I wish you well.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen wrote "I hate the way you 'meet with' people when you do not need the 'with'."

Perhaps you'd better write a letter to your own British papers then.

"Amal Clooney, right, met with Prime Minister David Cameron," (Daily Mail UK)

"Theresa May has met with the Queen and become the UK's new prime minister. " (BBC)

To "meet with" and to "meet" have different meanings.

"He met with shareholders," means there was a meeting held.
"He met shareholders," means he was introduced to them.

Thank you for sharing your discoveries with us all. I wish you well.

 

[LondonJohn]

Did you miss the text exchange between Raff and Kay? Do you really believe two people who were only together for five days have deep feelings of warmth?

Incidentally, I did go to Birkbeck's summer school once at Westonbirt Girls School, near Prince Charles' beautiful village of Gatcombe, in Wiltshire IIRC; wonderful grounds and a marvellous arboretum nearby. Lots of low walls everywhere for hounds to leap over in fox-hunting season. I chose a short course in short story writing - no diplomas or certificates - just for fun and at the end of the course we read out our work in front of the whole 'school'. Oh and I did do a couple of diploma courses at Birkbeck, sorry to bitterly disappoint you.

You sound frightfully jealous of me, LJ, why not try to get out more and get some achievements of your own?

Show me the actual texts from that text exchange, in a reliable format. Not simply the word of someone who clearly has the potential for, shall we say, a *subjective* interpretation/invention of what was written.

Oh.... you can't, can you. Oops!

And believe me (or not), the very last emotion I harbour towards you is jealousy

PS: At least you may have learned by now that Birkbeck is part of the University of London (UL), and not part of University College London (UCL) as you originally wrote