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Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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Thanks. I sort of was an old-timer here too. I made about eight (?) posts around 2008 (?), but with my becoming inactive and the renaming of the site, my post count didn't carry over.
 
That page indicated you were on BFF a lot. I am given to understand you have disagreed with Bob Heironimus in the suit.

Is that your current stance, or is there another candidate you had in mind? People here seem hesitant to accept Bob Heironimus in the suit, but I see no other logical choice.

Honest Bob.
 
Roger Knights said:
Thanks. I sort of was an old-timer here too. I made about eight (?) posts around 2008 (?), but with my becoming inactive and the renaming of the site, my post count didn't carry over.
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Hi Roger, and welcome back to the forum.

Your old account is still here. You last logged in to it back in 2012. These accounts will need to be merged because you are only allowed one account here. I already alerted the management about this yesterday.

Here is your original account which you named "RogerKni". http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/member.php?u=5071
 
That is an unfair comment, NL. I remember hosting a photo for you on my photobucket and posting it here for you when you were having trouble posting the image.
 
Northern Lights said:
If you play for the right team.
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:biggrin: That's an illusory allusion. You've stuck around here long enough, and have been graciously counseled on the Bigfoot REALITY long enough that it's impossible to think you could still believe in a real beast. Just as it's impossible to think Brian Brown or Don Meldrum or Bob Gimlin believe.

As such, it's really just you and only you who is clamoring to be on "the wrong team" (using your "right team" definition). And that's despite your being allowed to change teams at ANY TIME. It's surely not us doing that. Even worse, a case could be made that you're actually on "the right team". At the very least for having extracted literally hundreds of hours of our time trying to make you see and acknowledge "the light" you apparently have no interest in seeing or acknowledging.

So you're either an iron fisted ruler over us making us do that, or we're a far more "warm and helpful" crowd TO YOU than your constant 'us vs them' posts including the one quoted above would indicate.

It's just very hard to wrap my head around the notion of the guys doing all the helping as being the bad guys.
 
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dmaker said:
That is an unfair comment, NL. I remember hosting a photo for you on my photobucket and posting it here for you when you were having trouble posting the image.
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From a different thread posted yesterday:

EHocking said:
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BF Bleevers are just morons that never had an education or an original thought since their childhood

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Warm and fuzzy, eh?

But you are correct dmaker. The vast majority of my time here, I've been treated very fairly so I do retract my previous post.
 
But you don't believe in bigfoot, NL. Everyone here knows it. You are a Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Gamer, BLAARGer.

You definitely aren't a moron. Your gaming follows a very logical pattern. The one thing you don't do is expend even slight efforts to find one.

A lot of us sit around campfires a hell of a lot more than you do, but we don't say we are bigfoot hunting. There isn't anything to differentiate bigfoot hunting from a week-end hot dog roast as you practice it.

We can all say we are fairy hunting while walking or swimming, biking - whatever. But we don't. And it is interesting listening to people who do. Pretend.
 
Roger Knights said:
About two years ago I got Amazon to change Korff's status from "Author:" to "Foreword:" I had to scan in some front matter from the book and e-mail it in. I thought that would be the end of it. But the last time I looked, it had been changed back. I'm not going to try again--my opponent likely has more staying power, and it's too much trouble for me. But maybe someone should pass the info about this to Greg and ask him to tell Amazon to fix it correctly once and for all.
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I'd like to put this flurry of posts into some kind of general statement pertaining to the thread topic, and what I understand your research specialty to be. Sometihng like:

"For these reasons, Bob Heironimus is not wearing a modified gorilla suit in the PGF:"

Amazon has Korf as author instead of forward.
Long might have had the wrong address for Bob Gimlin in 1967.
Keys and wallets might or might not show through the suit.
It isn't extraordinary he wore his clothes inside the suit.


Well, you didn't actually make that argument so I can't say you are. Hopefully it isn't another four years before you log in. :)
 
William Parcher said:
Your old account is still here. You last logged in to it back in 2012. These accounts will need to be merged because you are only allowed one account here. I already alerted the management about this yesterday.
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Thank you. When I get my comment count up to 15, possibly as a result of the merging you're encouraging, I'll post the map of Gimlin's place.
 
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I'd like to put this flurry of posts into some kind of general statement pertaining to the thread topic, and what I understand your research specialty to be. Sometihng like:

"For these reasons, Bob Heironimus is not wearing a modified gorilla suit in the PGF:"

Amazon has Korf as author instead of forward.
Long might have had the wrong address for Bob Gimlin in 1967.
Keys and wallets might or might not show through the suit.
It isn't extraordinary he wore his clothes inside the suit.

Well, you didn't actually make that argument so I can't say you are.
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I wasn't making that argument. All I was doing was "copy-editing" the thread as a side effect of my arriving in it looking for something else. As I said, I arrived at an early part of it (page 12) following a link.

(The link was to Kit's interview of Heironimus. If Kit posted more of his interview after page 20, I wish someone would point me to it. I collect BH's interviews (mostly broadcast ones) and have posted them online (after I transcribed them) here:___. (Oops--I can't post a link yet--I need 50 comments. Hold it: here's a way around that: Just copy and paste this into your browser's go-to bar--nothing more is needed--and you should see it: goo.gl/cS2wqI More grist for your mill!)

Anyway, I looked at pages 11-19, approximately, because I got intrigued by what I was reading following Kit's interview. I noticed a few errors and posted corrections. That's all. I wasn't making assertions out of the blue. I was counter-punching, which is my style. If anyone went off on a tangent, it was the folks who made those statements, not me. I wasn't derailing the thread from its topic (Is or is not Bob Heironimus wearing a modified gorilla suit in the PGF?) by so doing.

My research specialty is a critique of Heironimus and associates. The document I damaged (see below) is about his claims. My POV on the validity of Bigfoot is on the fence. I created a couple of double-sided business cards about ten years ago, each with about 20 pro and con arguments in compressed form. (Matt Crowley posted my "con" list somewhere a few months ago, after I sent it to him.) I think that BF can't be "real" unless there's a joker in the pack (of reality)--which I already believe, based on three ESP experiences I had a long time ago. So BF could be a tulpa or something of that nature.

Hopefully it isn't another four years before you log in. :)
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Thank you. My comments will likely be sparse (for me) for the next two months at least. I managed to damage a big document due to multiple pieces of carelessness, so I'll be doing little else but tediously reconstructing it for that long.

I'm recovering, if that's the right word, from a bad case of Bigfoot burnout. I haven't posted at BFF for about five years, although I had nearly 4000 posts there before that, possibly as RogerKni (which I think was my moniker under BFF 1.0).
 
William Parcher said:
BH said that RP glued his glass eye into the empty hole of the face mask. Where and when was this done? Was this there at Bluff Creek? Was there a wait for the glue to dry? This was described as a sort of last-moment suggestion by BH... RP just happened to have glue with him?
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Good points.
re: “a sort of last-moment suggestion by BH.” That's also known less politely as “embroidery.” It occurred, probably, over a year after Long's initial interviews of him, which is when embroideries are often added--after a long delay. Long initially interviewed him at the start of 2001 (TMOB 364); in the lead-in to the glass-eye material, Long spoke of his desire to get on with publication, which suggests a date in the second half of 2003.

BTW, see TMOB, 402-04, where the eye was glued in up in Tampico, and where Heironimus implied the eye is still in the suit (p. 404). This is known as a "story-change."

BTW, none of the supposed Opal's-place suit-witnesses mentioned seeing any glued-in glass eye, which they couldn't have failed to notice, having put the head on (John Miller) or noticed "that head layin' there, you know, staring at me" (Opal). See TMOB 363 and ff. That is an alibi-failure--I forget the technical term.

(Now I'm addressing the thread's main topic, but only by accident. I think these incidental observations are worthwhile on their own.)
 
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Roger Knights said:
Gimlin didn’t live nearby Heironimus “since before ... 1967”; in that year, and until about 1970, he lived in Union Gap, just east of Yakima, on 2614 Rudkin Rd. His address was in the 1967 & 1968 Polk City Directories, which a librarian looked up for me; she was at the Yakima Valley Museum: 509-248-0747.

I can't post my PhotoBucket map of his place, because I haven't made 15 comments here yet. Excuse me if this misunderstanding was cleared up in the years after 2010.
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We have this showing where they live now...

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kitakaze said:
What Bob heironimus told me directly was that Roger and Bob had Chico for eight days. Eight days is plenty of time to fake Patty's tracks.
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Was that the first time they borrowed Chico, or the second?
Heironimus—Yep. It was pretty well planned. I mean, for them to drive all the way down there, scout the place out, come back up here, make the suit [which would take at least a week], and then go all the way back down there. They knew what they were doing.
—The Making of Bigfoot, p. 367

Greg Long [He is narrating the following to his wife while showing her a tape of the PGF.]—You’re seeing the clips Patterson and Gimlin shot of each other on horseback with a white POA pack horse in tow. A total of three horses. Notice the fall colors. But exactly when in the fall were these sequences shot? If Heironimus is right, the clips were shot during Patterson and Gimlin’s first trip down to scout out the film site. Then, the second trip down, Patterson and Gimlin took only two horses [one of them being Chico--which BH says he remembered--see next quote]—or so says Heironimus.
—The Making of Bigfoot, p. 373–74

Long—One of the men threw a sack or a duffle bag that contained the Bigfoot suit over the back of Patterson’s horse. Then Gimlin and Heironimus mounted Chico with Heironimus sitting behind Gimlin.
—The Making of Bigfoot, p. 348

Kal Korff—Can you confirm that your horse is visible in the Patterson film?
Heironimus—Yes, my horse is in that, yes.
—First XZone interview, section 10-E, December 7, 2006
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The above implies that Chico was borrowed twice.

Hmm . . . So Chico was returned twice, the second time supposedly with the suit. Did Opal remember the first time he was returned? Did Long ask her about it? If so, he didn't print her response. (TMOB 362-66)
 
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Kitakaze doesn't seem to post here anymore or extremely rarely. I'd say that there is a high likelihood that he will not respond to you, Roger.
 
Yes, thanks, I might well have missed that photo of the houses of the two Bob's, if I hadn't accidentally come across it while browsing through pages 11-19 of this thread. I like those Google Earth shots. I've captured a few of the area leading to and at the filmsite--(much) later for them.
 
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