Francesca R
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Eagle's out (to unify the non Corbyn vote)
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Corbyn's days (very) numbered?
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Childlike Empress
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Perhaps this thread should be merged with the one celebrating Bashar al-Assad's supposedly imminent departure from office.
Noztradamus
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Still could be Tory moles.
I, and several people I know, have stumped up our £25 to vote against Corbyn.
dudalb
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When you are reduced to defending your party leader with "Well, He could be worse" your party is in bad shape.
It's incredible. The Tories are very vulnerable,but Labor seems intent on handing them every election in the forseeable future.
It's incredible. The Tories are very vulnerable,but Labor seems intent on handing them every election in the forseeable future.
I think both parties are undergoing profound crises, but there is no better time to settle scores than when the party opposing you is also incapacitated by internal disorders and unable to do much damage. Might as well get everything over at once.
Labour is in great difficulty anyway because it has lost Scotland, its very birthplace. But that doesn't mean it is intent on giving up for ever the prospect of winning elections. If and when Corbyn is ousted, I will be interested to see just how far the Labour leadership is willing to go in the cause of securing electoral victory.
I can't argue with that.
At this moment I am not wanting Labour to win the next general election - I just want a leader who means that the Government won't be able to behave as though it has a landslide rather than a wafer-thin majority.
Compare this government with Major's government which had a larger majority.
The difference is the quality of the opposition.
Judging by Smith's previous career, there's no limit.
ffs, the man was was a senior lobbyist for Pfizer.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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Think that's not realistic. Bigger difference is the media backing I would say. Also the ability of the Tories to remain united.
There were cracks in the Tory party but the opposition were too incompetent to expose them. Now it is too late for some time.
ETA: Corbyn had at least one open goal, with Boris Johnson's performance in that press conference with Kerry. He failed to land any hits.
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That's another reason be thankful that Smith has little chance of becoming Labour leader.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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I really think you are overestimating the impact of PMQs or general political bickering against the might of the Murdoch press and general media sentiment.
Blair was an effective opposition largely because the press sold him as such. And that was because on many things he was to the right of the Tories or at least equal.
Corbyn was hamstrung from day 1 by the media.
If you're referring to an ability to 'perform' at sub-juvenile playground slanging matches while the other
May, meanwhile, studiously dodged virtually every question of substance that came her way, i.e. she 'performed' well.
The whole vile spectacle of PMQs is sickening and typifies one aspect of the political system that Corbyn supporters reject. He'll beat Smith with ease.
angrysoba
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I like PMQs. I think it's great.
What will happen if Corbyn is reelected with a large majority again?
A lot of people like me will need to take a good long hard look at the Labour Party to see whether it's still a party we can support or whether we need to invest our time, effort and resources in another party - either an existing one or found a new one.
Theresa May can look forward to four years, largely untroubled by Her Majesty's loyal opposition.
Seismosaurus
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The labour party will lose the next election, and May will get another term in office.
Possibly, the Labour party may split in two. Wouldn't it be interesting to see Corbyn leading a party of ten or fifteen MPs whilst "True Labour" had 215? But I don't think that's especially likely.
The problem with a split is:
The Corbyn-rump gets:
- The brand
- The activist base (to canvass, get out the vote etc)
They don’t have:
- The wider electorate
The PLP gets:
- Closer to the wider electorate
But they don’t have:
- Activists
- The brand
I think a split could see the rump Corbynistas and the PLP both get absolutely savaged at a general election. (We’d have to hope that the Lib Dems could rise to the challenge of being a credible opposition).
PLP = Parliamentary Labour Party (aka Tory-lite, etc)