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What will happen at the Republican Convention?

What will happen at the Republican Convenyion?

  • Cruz will be the nominee

    Votes: 3 4.7%

  • Kasich will be the nominee

    Votes: 3 4.7%

  • Rubio will be the nominee

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Trump will be the nominee

    Votes: 28 43.8%

  • Someone else will be the nominee

    Votes: 3 4.7%

  • The four horsemen of the apocalypse will storm the convention and all hell will break loose.

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
Just watching CNN; first time I've seen a high-ranking Republican official quote Kid Rock as an example of parallel thought in speechwriting.
 
Ladewig said:
Once again, Trump and Clinton are playing two different games. In the game that Clinton, and past presidential candidates, play, plagiarism is a big deal and one loses points. In the game Trump is playing plagiarism is nothing (at least when Team Trump is caught doing it).

Running for president in the 21st century no longer requires consistency, attention to detail, attention to logic, or shame. Folks on this board think it is a big deal. Folks who like Trump think it is evidence of media bias.
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It'll be a big deal when it shows up the divorce papers Donald has delivered to Melania after he loses.
 
Paul Manafort is pissed! This whole convention, the entire narrative, has gotten away from them. From the disaffected delegates, who haven't given up yet and are still doing interviews bashing Trump, to the plagiarism they can't control the story any more. Any show of unity or strength was trampled on the first day.
 
Puppycow said:
So is there a generally accepted standard for what counts as plagiarism?

They are outright denying that there was any plagiarism.

Like, a certain number of words in a row that coincide? Something like that?
It seems highly unlikely to me that the two speeches would coincide like that by accident.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/19/12222276/melania-trump-plagarism-clinton-rnc
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There is an old joke that if you steal from one person it's plagiarism;if you steal from a dozen it's research;but that speech last night is plagiarism,beyound any doubt.
 
Ladewig said:
Once again, Trump and Clinton are playing two different games. In the game that Clinton, and past presidential candidates, play, plagiarism is a big deal and one loses points. In the game Trump is playing plagiarism is nothing (at least when Team Trump is caught doing it).

Running for president in the 21st century no longer requires consistency, attention to detail, attention to logic, or shame. Folks on this board think it is a big deal. Folks who like Trump think it is evidence of media bias.
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I am a cynic about politics, but I am not quite at the point of thinking that the American people,as a whole, are as stupid as you think they are. IF you are right, then time to admit that Democracy is a filed system,and move on to some other system. Any suggestions to what the system should be?
 
Mike! said:
Politicians plagiarize stuff all the time, it's no big deal. :rolleyes:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-accused-of-plagiarism-in-speech/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/19/short-history-political-plagiarism-melania-trump
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Weak sauce.

The man credited with writing Sen. Barack Obama's "power of words" speech today called the plagiarism accusation "not fair" and said it was an attempt to "belittle his ability to motivate people."

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"It's an elaborate charge and an extravagant one," Patrick said.
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Stacko said:
Weak sauce.
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Wasn't just Obama, from your link...
Obama has conceded that he should have credited Patrick. "I was on the stump. He [Deval] suggested we use these lines. I thought they were good lines. I'm sure I should have. Didn't this time.
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In 1988 Sen. Joseph Biden was driven out of the Democratic nomination race after he used parts of a speech from British Labor party leader Neil Kinnock, without crediting him.
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Mike! said:
Wasn't just obama, From your link...
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So Obama got the OK from the source to use it and avoided being stupidly plagued by it by admitting it. As for Biden,

After Biden withdrew from the race, it was learned that he had indeed correctly credited Kinnock on other occasions. But in the Iowa speech that was recorded and distributed to reporters (with a parallel video of Kinnock) by aides to Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee, he failed to do so.
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Trebuchet said:
Manafort is whining about the Dems playing politics with a political speech at a political convention. The mind boggles.
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Yeah. THEY were the one who paraded her out there. If not for a political reason, then what was the point?

They discover that she is in over her head. Whoops. A smart campaign would have protected her. All they have shown is that she can't handle the responsibilities of being a first lady.

I don't hold it against her. She is a model. I hold it against them for thinking they could sell her as someone competent to be in the political arena.
 
As much as I can't stand Trump, Melania's plagiarism is at best a funny story. Her speech was never going to be a reason to vote for or against the Donald.

If you make it more than that, you're too lost in the forest to see the trees.
 
acbytesla said:
As much as I can't stand Trump, Melania's plagiarism is at best a funny story. Her speech was never going to be a reason to vote for or against the Donald.

If you make it more than that, you're too lost in the forest to see the trees.
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It's more the everyone closing ranks to deny reality on the great pumpkins orders that is the story now. It represents how he'd govern and the type of sycophants his administration would be staffed by. Apologizing and moving on makes it a funny footnote but this strategy is concerning.
 
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