Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

[acbytesla]

"Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Foreign Affairs Manual stated that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System, yet the Office of Inspector General found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server.

"According to the current Chief Information Officer and the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according to these officials, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the Foreign Affairs Manual and the security risks in doing so."

Reference:
State Department Inspector General's report on the Clinton email security breach

So what you're saying is that she didn't request something that she didn't think she needed to request but if she had she would have been turned down and that's all. Right? Keep in mind as SecState, Clinton was the head of America's diplomatic corp.

 

[slyjoe]

"Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Foreign Affairs Manual stated that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System, yet the Office of Inspector General found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server.

"According to the current Chief Information Officer and the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according to these officials, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the Foreign Affairs Manual and the security risks in doing so."

Reference:
State Department Inspector General's report on the Clinton email security breach

The server Hillary Clinton setup in her home was unencrypted, and devoid of any security features whatsoever -- basically a hacker's welcome neon sign.

Are you sure the quotes are in the reference?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Are you sure the quotes are in the reference?

Yes, it's on pages 36 and 37.

 

[Foolmewunz]

The basis for imminent indictments rests upon the fact that neither the State Department, nor the President gave Clinton the authority to use a private server. Since this server contained "Top Secret" classified information, Clinton faces legal consequences.
Under the Espionage Act (Title 18) it is a felony for a federal official to “knowingly remove classified material without the authority to do so and with the intention of keeping that material at an unauthorized location.”

The day after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as Secretary of State (January 22, 2009), she received a security briefing and signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement:

“I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation.

"I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of SCI by me may constitute violations of United States criminal laws, including provisions of Sections 793, 794, 798, and 952, Title 18, United States Code, and of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code. Nothing in this agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation."

Sensitive Compartmented Information Non-Disclosure Agreement
Signed copy of Hillary Clinton's Non-Disclosure Agreement​

Hilited. It is proper form to give credit to the original authors when you lift passages. It's not significant to the argument, just polite.

 

[slyjoe]

Yes, it's on pages 36 and 37.

I searched for authorized information system, not AIS.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Do you have a source for what went on during the interview? AFAIK nobody's talking about what was said.

So no, you don't want to own up to your own words.

This is all your going to get, for the moment, maybe at all, on the interview:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...024480-4074-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html
Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement Saturday that Clinton “gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary,” and added, “She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion.”

Asked if the interview, which took place at FBI headquarters, was businesslike and civil, Clinton told MSNBC that it was “both.”

“It was something I had offered to do since last August,” she said, according to a transcript provided by the network. “I’ve been eager to do it, and I was pleased to have the opportunity to assist the department in bringing its review to a conclusion.”

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Indictment or no, Hillary is manifestly unfit to be president based on what we already know she did. The mere fact that she maintained a homebrew server in contravention of the president's policies, and all common sense, should disqualify her. There is absolutely no way that server was not hacked, by multiple parties probably, including Russia (hosts of Ed Snowden) and certainly by the hacker "Guccifer" who is now reportedly cooperating with prosecutors. But Hillary's server was so insecure that a highly motivated 15-yr-old could write the phishing program. (Guccifer himself has no formal computer training and did his hacking from a small town in Romania.) The security implications are so grave and manifold that the mind boggles.

The lack of actual facts and the amount of incorrect and made-up ******** in this paragraph boggles the mind.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I searched for authorized information system, not AIS.

Actually, the report uses the phrase "authorized automated information system."

 

[acbytesla]

So no, you don't want to own up to your own words.

This is all your going to get, for the moment, maybe at all, on the interview:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...024480-4074-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html
Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement Saturday that Clinton “gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary,” and added, “She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion.”

Asked if the interview, which took place at FBI headquarters, was businesslike and civil, Clinton told MSNBC that it was “both.”

“It was something I had offered to do since last August,” she said, according to a transcript provided by the network. “I’ve been eager to do it, and I was pleased to have the opportunity to assist the department in bringing its review to a conclusion.”

A tempest in a teapot.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

So what you're saying is that she didn't request something that she didn't think she needed to request but if she had she would have been turned down and that's all. Right? Keep in mind as SecState, Clinton was the head of America's diplomatic corp.

Part of Hillary Clinton's duty and responsibility as Secretary of State was to be thoroughly acquainted with the protocols outlined in the Foreign Affairs Manual. Her ignorance of the FAM is not a valid defense.

 

[The Big Dog]

Total nonsense. Clinton was the head of the State department and probably had what she thought was a need and the authority to have an email server at her home. And as the boss had no reason to believe she had to ask for permission.

That the GOP has been trying to do everything in their power to paint them with scandal and has constantly failed says more about the Republicans than it does about the Clintons.

"probably"?

Couple of points: 1. aren't you a bit disturbed that Hillary thought she was above the rules and regulations that bound everyone else?
2. Hillary was not the 'boss.' Obama was. She treated him with contempt too.

 

[Beeyon]

The point is the staff at the State Department should have made this secure.

Clinton wasn't merely an employee of the State Department, but the titular head of the State Department. Since when does the boss ask permission to do something from their underlings?

I'm not quite seeing how this is consistent.

 

[acbytesla]

Part of Hillary Clinton's duty and responsibility as Secretary of State was to be thoroughly acquainted with the protocols outlined in the Foreign Affairs Manual. Her ignorance of the FAM is not a valid defense.

Oh, give me a break. She made a mistake. Let's not pretend that it was anything more.

 

[Travis]

I find it odd that she was supposed to know the home server was bad even though the previous two Secretaries of State had done the same thing.

 

[acbytesla]

"probably"?

Couple of points: 1. aren't you a bit disturbed that Hillary thought she was above the rules and regulations that bound everyone else?
2. Hillary was not the 'boss.' Obama was. She treated him with contempt too.

It's not about being above the rules, its about how those rules apply to her position. Who gives authorization? Are the regulations made up by the State Department and does the boss have the authority to change those regulations?

 

[Fudbucker]

I find it odd that she was supposed to know the home server was bad even though the previous two Secretaries of State had done the same thing.

Previous SoS's had private servers installed to run government business on? Anyway, this talking point has been debunked. What Clinton did was uniquely irresponsible.

"In what reads like a direct rebuttal to Clinton’s claim that other secretaries of state have done the same thing, the IG report notes that the department’s policies on the use of personal email and nongovernment computer systems were “considerably more detailed and more sophisticated” during Clinton’s tenure. It said she should be “evaluated” differently than her predecessors.

“Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the Department revised the FAM [Foreign Affairs Manual] and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the obligation to use Department [computer] systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not doing so,” the report says. “Secretary Clinton’s cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/ig-report-on-clintons-emails/

 

[acbytesla]

Previous SoS's had private servers installed to run government business on? Anyway, this talking point has been debunked. What Clinton did was uniquely irresponsible.

"In what reads like a direct rebuttal to Clinton’s claim that other secretaries of state have done the same thing, the IG report notes that the department’s policies on the use of personal email and nongovernment computer systems were “considerably more detailed and more sophisticated” during Clinton’s tenure. It said she should be “evaluated” differently than her predecessors.

“Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the Department revised the FAM [Foreign Affairs Manual] and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the obligation to use Department [computer] systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not doing so,” the report says. “Secretary Clinton’s cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/ig-report-on-clintons-emails/

So, what your saying. Is it IS TRUE that previous SecStates had installed servers in their homes. BUT Clinton went about it incorrectly.

Would that be an accurate portrayal?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I find it odd that she was supposed to know the home server was bad even though the previous two Secretaries of State had done the same thing.

Hillary Clinton is the first, and only, Secretary of State to have her own private server -- and it was unencrypted, making it an easy target for hackers. Her predecessors were never that foolish and irresponsible.

 

[Fudbucker]

So, what your saying. Is it IS TRUE that previous SecStates had installed servers in their homes. BUT Clinton went about it incorrectly.

Would that be an accurate portrayal?

No.

 

[DavidJames]

Hillary Clinton is the first, and only, Secretary of State to have her own private server -- and it was unencrypted.

Just so we're clear. To the best of my knowledge someone reported they found certs were not purchased. Unless you can provide direct evidence that NO encryption was present, the best you can say no evidence has been found that the servers were encrypted. I know to the HDS folks among us that's a distinction w/o a difference. To those with technical knowledge, the difference is significant.

Just to remind. I manged a team of system admins who supported fortune 100 web sited, department stores, insurance companies, professional sports leagues, etc. Many of which, at some point, were using self signed certs as a temporary/interim encryption solution until signed ones were obtained.