Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[Jules Galen]

Hey...I just don't want my boy molested, so I make sure he stays out of bed with men - especially men like Michael Jackson. Now...if you guys don't care if your boys get molested, then fine - let them sleep with men. But I will not let my children do this.

 

[Giordano]

He's a freak. See? Has to be something wrong with a guy who wears a sparkly glove. That's enough for me.

And, there was that kid who his insurance company settled with. Must be proof of something but maybe not diddling kids but he sure wanted to because why else would he be wearing a SPARKLY GLOVE? Huh? Tell me that. Yeah, true, his stepfather is on tape bragging that if MJ didn't give him everything he wanted he'd destroy him. And yeah the other mom had a history of bilking people out of money, but see, it's that SPARKLY GLOVE. That tells me everything I need to know. And those two "photography" books. Out of four hundred hetero porn titles. "Art"? Don't make me laugh. He wore a SPARKLY GLOVE.

Yep!

 

[Giordano]

How does

A dad sleeping with his kid to sooth them after a bad dream compare to a porn addicted dude who is into little boys naked art sleeping with kids he hardly knows?

You are right: these are different things. And exactly what MJ actually did is yet a third, different thing.

 

[cullennz]

No, I'm not comparing it to parents. Offense taken - I don't buy that "oh, I wasn't calling you stupid, I was calling your post stupid".

But you're just plain wrong. Rather than insult-and-run, explain what you meant. They weren't "strangers", so did you mean "relatives"? Did you mean "offspring"?

It's not stupid for someone to ask you to explain your muddled thoughts.

Kids he hardly knew

 

[Giordano]

Hey...I just don't want my boy molested, so I make sure he stays out of bed with men - especially men like Michael Jackson. Now...if you guys don't care if your boys get molested, then fine - let them sleep with men. But I will not let my children do this.

I sincerely wish you success. But please remember that "sleeping" with men is not exactly the concern here. Also look at the statistics and realize that your biggest risks are people who appear a lot more mainstream than MJ did. A team camping trip with that football coach or the showers after a game? Not necessarily safe either. Nor is having that cousin babysit your child from 6 to 8 pm (no sleeping at all, right?).

May I assume that you also don't want your underaged boy molested by a female? There have been increasing numbers of such events in the news so you probably should broaden you list of possible risks even further.

My point here is that the flip side of automatically not trusting someone who looks different too often results in people automatically trusting someone who doesn't look different. As with con artists, actual molesters are good in generating trust in their victims and in their victim's family, and probably don't look like what they are. Weird does not equal molester, and outwardly upstanding mainstream citizen does not equal non-molester.

 

[cullennz]

I don't think anyone here denies there were boundary issues.

However, his sleeping in the same room or in the same bed with children was not illegal.

Should it be?

If so, let's defined the circumstances.

Should it be illegal to sleep in the same room with:

your own children?
the children of your immediate family members?
the children of your extended family members?
the children of your in-laws?

the friends or family members of your children?

Would permission from the parents change the rules?

Should it be illegal to sleep in the same bed with:

your own children?
the children of your immediate family members?
the children of your extended family members?
the children of your in-laws?

the friends or family members of your children?

Would permission of the parents change the rules?

If yes, to any of these, should it be a blanket policy? That is, should it be illegal for any person, under any circumstance? Should we be charging 10-year-olds for the crime of sleeping in the same bed with another child? Should we charge the same 10-year-olds for a crime if they sleep in the same bed with an adult?

What if no one is sleeping? Should it be illegal for an adult to lie in bed next to a child while reading a book?

Illegality of sleeping in a bed with a little kid with star struck parents is kind of irrelevant. He just did it

 

[cullennz]

You are right: these are different things. And exactly what MJ actually did is yet a third, different thing.

Indeed

It was

 

[cullennz]

I sincerely wish you success. But please remember that "sleeping" with men is not exactly the concern here. Also look at the statistics and realize that your biggest risks are people who appear a lot more mainstream than MJ did. A team camping trip with that football coach or the showers after a game? Not necessarily safe either. Nor is having that cousin babysit your child from 6 to 8 pm (no sleeping at all, right?).

May I assume that you also don't want your underaged boy molested by a female? There have been increasing numbers of such events in the news so you probably should broaden you list of possible risks even further.

My point here is that the flip side of automatically not trusting someone who looks different too often results in people automatically trusting someone who doesn't look different. As with con artists, actual molesters are good in generating trust in their victims and in their victim's family, and probably don't look like what they are. Weird does not equal molester, and outwardly upstanding mainstream citizen does not equal non-molester.

Your examples involve children who aren't alone and don't involve sleeping in beds with a porno addict

 

[Giordano]

Indeed

It was

I presume that you view this as a clever response, but you do see how you are now arguing that MJ did not do what you were just accusing him of having done in your own post just up thread from here? Don't worry- sometimes I too have the urge to make a joke even when it is not relevant or logical..

 

[Giordano]

Your examples involve children who aren't alone and don't involve sleeping in beds with a porno addict

You appear to like the term "porno addict" having used it so often in your last posts. I believe that there are a lot more of these "addicts" than you suspect and you will be surprised to learn that the huge majority of them are not pedophiles. But if you feel that this helps your argument please continue.

 

[cullennz]

You appear to like the term "porno addict" having used it so often in your last posts. I believe that there are a lot more of these "addicts" than you suspect and you will be surprised to learn that the huge majority of them are not pedophiles. But if you feel that this helps your argument please continue.

I'm just stating fact.

Or do you deny he was with his "library"

 

[Giordano]

Your examples involve children who aren't alone and don't involve sleeping in beds with a porno addict

Say again? Do you really believe that actual pedophiles don't have ways of getting children alone and isolated in the examples I gave? Especially baby sitters? Or that coaches and cousins could never have porn collections? Gee, you should read up more on this stuff to truly better protect your child. Honestly- I am really trying to help here if you were being serious.

 

[cullennz]

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Say again? Do you really believe that actual pedophiles don't have ways of getting children alone and isolated in the examples I gave? Especially baby sitters? Or that coaches and cousins could never have porn collections? Gee, you should read up more on this stuff to truly better protect your child. Honestly- I am really trying to help here if you were being serious.

No.

But we are talking about Jackson. Not others

 

[Giordano]

I'm just stating fact.

Or do you deny he was with his "library"

It was a fact that he was "addicted" to porn? Not a fan, but an addict? I also must warn you about ever going into the average frat house.

 

[cullennz]

It was a fact that he was "addicted" to porn? Not a fan, but an addict? I also must warn you about ever going into the average frat house.

Do frats sleep with little kids?

 

[Giordano]

Oh to hell with it. Men can't be trusted with the children of others. Having porn means child molester. Weird in any way means pedophile. Sleeping with means having sex with. Any image of a naked child is the same as child pornography. Accusations are the same as proof. It is so obvious I don't know why I didn't see it before.

Kill the witch!

 

[cullennz]

No.

Just him

 

[Noztradamus]

It comes down to

"He didn't do it!"

"Nobody saw him do it!"

"You can't prove he did it!"

 

[PhantomWolf]

It comes down to

"He didn't do it!"

"Nobody saw him do it!"

"You can't prove he did it!"

Actually it comes down to "The evidence might have all fallen over, but he was weird, had contemporary Art books and porn magazines in his library of a million books, and he admitted sleeping in the same bed as kids that weren't his, so he must have been, even if there is no evidence!"

 

[Foolmewunz]

I'm just stating fact.

Or do you deny he was with his "library"

If you're "stating fact" it should be very easy to show us something that backs up your skittish feelings about sexuality and the human body. You've shifted off of "kiddie porn". Maybe because you're bored with it, or maybe because you realize that you were mistaken. But now you've shifted to "porn addict". Anyone with a gazillion books who also has an interest in hetero porn would very likely have a few hundred titles. What about all the titles that weren't porn? Seems to be many more volumes than the porn collection.

What other subject was he addicted to? Edwardian Fashion? Hats Through History? Twentieth Century Interpretive Dance? Architecture? What was so fascinating to this creepy pervert. The cops went through all ten thousand [10,000] books in his home. They found about four or five hundred of interest, but a couple of hundred of those were "naturist/nudist" magazines from sixty and seventy years earlier and were collectors' items, probably purchased in one lot But even if you count the nudist magazines.... only four or five hundred. That'll leave 9500 "not porn".

You have some authoritative source for your accusation that he's a "porn addict"? Or is just another of those "well, it's obvious to me" things?